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Dan Nance
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« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2005, 02:18:48 PM »

Hello Big Daddy!


Owned numerous horses in partnership from early 80' to early 90's.
Dealt with a couple different trainers.

*** is remembered for his lack of integrity. No matter what he may have accomplished so long ago.

Not this web of lies and racial insults thrown out by ***.


Burton owned horses in the 80's so that explains why he has a bug up his ass for me. I must have claimed a horse or two off him or his trainers and made them look like goofs when I made them into way better horses. Also, I must have run over his money many times so he hates me for that.

   Burton says I'm remembered for my lack of integrity, but I think his lunch buddies have me confused with my brother because it was SN who had all the trouble not me. I love my brother alot and stand behind him 100%. I have the same last name so I was labled a juiceman also when my brother got in trouble. Dan *** NEVER had any integrity issues and Doc and Langley will tell you that. If they feel different let them post it on this open forum.

  Burton says I spin a web of lies but not one time can he prove I've lied about one single thing. He tells people I said things that came from OTHERS not from me.

  Burton says I've thrown out racial insults. Is the word Jew all of a sudden a bad word? I'm not a Jew, so what. All I said is that I want someone to wish me a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year because I'm a Catholic. I don't need this GOVERMENT telling me I can't say Merry Christmas because it offends the Jewish people. I have many friends that are Jews so don't give me this racial crap because I don't want people saying Happy Holidays to me rather then Marry Christmas.

  Finally, this Burton guy comes out of nowhere 2 days after the insurance fraud scandle breaks and when I tell him the LeVin's did Ronnie wrong he starts posting lies about me on the forum and saying all crooks should be thrown out of racing except for his little cheater friend Rucker ( Mr. Positive). I told Janine I was going to try and keep my cool and what happens yesterday Burton and Joe B. start right up with their lies and crap with me because Joe D. and TC weren't posting.

  Yours Truly
 
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« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2005, 02:24:36 PM »

The funny thing about you, Dan, is that you have no problem taking credit for Scott's accomplishments as part of "Team ***", yet you throw your brother under the bus when it comes to the positive that got half of "Team ***" barred from racing for a time.

The truth is Scott was always the more talented horseman.
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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2005, 02:33:35 PM »

As for the bashers on this forum, IMO it is completely unnecessary and useless. If you truly are fans and want to learn something on here, may I suggest stop the bullshit posts. And start learning from each other rather than bashing!!

Agree in principal with your sentiment dt2.

Problem is the bashing starts with ***. Mean-spirited "who cares" posts or other garbage tossed into subjects for no reason other than to be a azzhole. Turning other subjects around to talk about him. Again. Ratting crude gossip on peoples friends. Ratting crude gossip that has nothing to do with racing. Telling people they are dumb and dont know anything about racing. Telling them they have no right to an opinion because they dont have 30 years as a trainer like him. Blasting anyone who has a different opinion from him. Usually in a very rude manner with personal insults curses and physical threats. If he would conduct himself like a human being and give other people some space and respect and just left them alone some times the forum would probably be different. But he cant he thinks this is his forum. He has to stick some azzhole comment in every subject. Naturally gets people pissed off at him.

It used to be a mostly civilized educational and polite forum without all this BS before he found it. Nice to know he used to be a nice person but he has never been a nice person on this forum. There is a reason he has so much trouble. It is not jealousy or because he tells his vision of the truth its because he behaves like a azzhole.
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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2005, 02:46:35 PM »

        As a person who has been around the track for a very long time, I can tell you that the *** brothers more than held their own when Chicago racing was at its peak. Claiming King--
the previous post you just made was not only inflamatory, but just not true. Dan and Scott
helped each other on a daily basis, so to insinuate that Dan "threw Scott under the bus" is
just plain wrong. Having known both of these guys for the past 25 years, I can UNEQUIVICABLY
tell you that they are two of the hardest workers the backstretch has ever seen, they never cut
corners on their horses, and in the end, were rewarded for their hard work with many a victory

       No deference to the newer fans who were not around during the "hey days" of the sport
Team *** were very successful against the best training/driving talent in the sport---Jim Dennis,
The O'Brien stable, Brian Pelling, Farrington Stables,and the like. Powerhouses like these mentioned
only exist nowadays at the Meadowlands and Toronto

      Not only that, you couldn't meet two better guys than Dan and Scott, to this day, I am proud to call them friend
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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2005, 02:49:54 PM »

My definition of throwing someone under the bus:

 "Burton says I'm remembered for my lack of integrity, but I think his lunch buddies have me confused with my brother because it was SN who had all the trouble not me. I love my brother alot and stand behind him 100%. I have the same last name so I was labled a juiceman also when my brother got in trouble."

Dan hangs himself with his own silly words. He doesn't need anyone to do it for him.
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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2005, 02:51:31 PM »

The funny thing about you, Dan, is that you have no problem taking credit for Scott's accomplishments as part of "Team ***", yet you throw your brother under the bus when it comes to the positive that got half of "Team ***" barred from racing for a time.

The truth is Scott was always the more talented horseman.

Hey dude, When we were together we were Team *** and shared the credit. I was on my own for close to four years without my brother and won hundreds of races. He did not take credit for my time alone nor did I take credit for his time alone when he returned to racing in 96 and 97 and his time at Los Al.

  I had nothing to do with SN's troubles with Bowen and Steinmeyer. I did however get a reputation for being a juiceman because of the M99 positives my brother had. Scott dealt with Bowen and the guy turned out to ruin my brothers career while leaving me with a bad reputation because I shared the same name. Believe me, I thought of putting Bowen 6 feet under back in "85" for F**king with my name but because of my wife and kids I didn't. He died a couple of years ago and I couldn't be happier.

  If you feel my brother was a better trainer then me then fine you're entitled to your opinion. I happen to think we are one in the same. He did alot on his own and so did I. When we were a team we even better. Thanks to Bowen and Steinmeyer they took away the Team. But, as they say " That's Life ".

Yours Truly
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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2005, 02:52:43 PM »

See, you and Dan can't have it both ways. When it suits you the Nances were an inseparable team that took Chicago by storm. When it doesn't Scott got busted and tarnished Dan's good name. That's BS.

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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2005, 02:58:25 PM »

My definition of throwing someone under the bus:

 "Burton says I'm remembered for my lack of integrity, but I think his lunch buddies have me confused with my brother because it was SN who had all the trouble not me. I love my brother alot and stand behind him 100%. I have the same last name so I was labled a juiceman also when my brother got in trouble."

Dan hangs himself with his own silly words. He doesn't need anyone to do it for him.

BINGO!!!!!!!!
The guy is so low he even sells his own brother out.
Even Dakuras is laying low, you're making such an ass out of yourself.
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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2005, 03:19:50 PM »



  Burton says I've thrown out racial insults. Is the word Jew all of a sudden a bad word? I'm not a Jew, so what. All I said is that I want someone to wish me a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year because I'm a Catholic. I don't need this GOVERMENT telling me I can't say Merry Christmas because it offends the Jewish people. I have many friends that are Jews so don't give me this racial crap because I don't want people saying Happy Holidays to me rather then Marry Christmas.


Dan:
Earlier today I questioned two things you wrote that I thought were anti-semitic. Instead of giving me the courtesy of any type of reply or explanation (and although you and I don't agree on everything, you've certainly never characterized me as one of your "bashers," so you would think I might be at least owed that courtesy), you respond to Burton with the old "Some of my best friends are Jewish" line. Well, you know what Dan, now I don't just suspect you're an anti-Semite, now I'm sure you are, because that type of line is a classic example of how a racist talks.

By the way...when has the government ever said you can't say "Merry Christmas?" The interesting thing Dan, is that I actually agree with what you're trying to say...but you've said it in a vile and insulting way.
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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2005, 03:22:38 PM »

See, you and Dan can't have it both ways. When it suits you the Nances were an inseparable team that took Chicago by storm. When it doesn't Scott got busted and tarnished Dan's good name. That's BS.



I didn't say SN tarnished my name. I said that his dealings with Bowen who screwed my brother over and caused my brothers name to be tarnished also tarnished my name because I'm a ***. I had nothing to do with the M99 positives but was sucked into it because SN and I were a Team Back then.

   Sn dealt with some owners more then me and I dealt with others more then him. He dealt with Bowen because I didn't like the guiy and wanted nothing to do with him and didn't even want him in the stable. SN was young and got fooled by Bowen and Bowen ruined him.

   I'll give you an example of what I mean. I dealt with our owner Phil Vitaliano. I was closer to Phil then SN was. If Phil would have gone out and juiced up all his horses with M99 that I was down as trainer on behind my back and then I went down for the positives and got ruled off like SN did when Bowen took him down SN would have been labled a juiceman because I went down because he was also a ***. GET IT !!! I don't think SN would have said I tarnished his name because I went down for positives. I believe he would feel his name was tarnished because he shared the same name as me who was labled a juiceman. GET IT !!!!!

   So, don't sit here and say I feel that SN tarnished my name because of his troubles with Bowen and Steinmeyer. It was Bowen who tarnished our names. And the reason I said that I think Burton's buddies were talking about SN and not me is because whenever the name *** comes up the first thing they think about is the M99 scandle that involved SN not me. People don't remember that Dan *** raced for years with not one positive and won tons of races, they mostly remember the problems SN had back in 84. So, knock off your BS and quit turning my words around. Besides, you don't even know the stories behind anything and it's none of your business.

 Yours Truly
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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2005, 03:29:41 PM »

It was Bowen who tarnished our names.

It was probably one of Ruckers owners who is tarnishing his name. Snuck a groom into his barn and was hitting horses when he wasnt looking. Sounds plausable.
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« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2005, 03:35:47 PM »

It was probably one of Ruckers owners who is tarnishing his name. Snuck a groom into his barn and was hitting horses when he wasnt looking. Sounds plausable.

Maybe it was. But, Rucker is known as a juiceman now just like the ***'s. It's his horses and he takes the blame. Only one thing though. Dan *** only had 2 positives in 20 years not the number Rucker already has in his career. And my positives were proved to be done by others. Tell Rucker to prove he didn't do it like I did.

Yours Truly
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« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2005, 03:36:36 PM »

Dan:
Earlier today I questioned two things you wrote that I thought were anti-semitic. Instead of giving me the courtesy of any type of reply or explanation (and although you and I don't agree on everything, you've certainly never characterized me as one of your "bashers," so you would think I might be at least owed that courtesy), you respond to Burton with the old "Some of my best friends are Jewish" line. Well, you know what Dan, now I don't just suspect you're an anti-Semite, now I'm sure you are, because that type of line is a classic example of how a racist talks.

By the way...when has the government ever said you can't say "Merry Christmas?" The interesting thing Dan, is that I actually agree with what you're trying to say...but you've said it in a vile and insulting way.
 Now Mr. Siegel, don't get your kishkes in a bunch.  Dan is not an anti-semite as you aver.  I can attest to that fact.  Dan and I have swapped stories about Skokie, IL dozens of times.  If you didn't know, Skokie is a predominately Jewish suburb in Chicagoland.  Dan's wife is from there and he NEVER uttered a bad word about any Jewish person to my knowledge.  The same goes for Scott.  I think Dan was railing moreso on the "PC-ing" of America, where old customs and wishes now seem to be altered so that no one is forgotten or unsulted.  Believe me, the athiests have a field day at this time of year, with their mangers in public square protests and so forth.
  
  As for myself,upon request from you I will show you my cancelled checks made out to the ADL, the CDF, and 5 or 6 other charitable foundations if you wish.  It gives someone no right to make disparaging remarks, but it does demonstrate where someone's heart lies IMO.  I myself am honored that the 1st night of Chanukah and Christmas fall on the same date this year.  So, Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah, and Happy Holidays to all.  TC  
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« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2005, 03:42:12 PM »

Maybe it was. But, Rucker is known as a juiceman now just like the ***'s. It's his horses and he takes the blame. Only one thing though. Dan *** only had 2 positives in 20 years not the number Rucker already has in his career. And my positives were proved to be done by others. Tell Rucker to prove he didn't do it like I did.

Yours Truly


Rucker was probably too busy making $100 tri boxes etc;

***,
Please take down that picture.
It looks like a 70's porn movie star.
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« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2005, 03:44:43 PM »

Dan:
Earlier today I questioned two things you wrote that I thought were anti-semitic. Instead of giving me the courtesy of any type of reply or explanation (and although you and I don't agree on everything, you've certainly never characterized me as one of your "bashers," so you would think I might be at least owed that courtesy), you respond to Burton with the old "Some of my best friends are Jewish" line. Well, you know what Dan, now I don't just suspect you're an anti-Semite, now I'm sure you are, because that type of line is a classic example of how a racist talks.

By the way...when has the government ever said you can't say "Merry Christmas?" The interesting thing Dan, is that I actually agree with what you're trying to say...but you've said it in a vile and insulting way.

OK Paul, if you say so then I'm a racist. The government won't let TV commericals say Merry Christmas anymore, they must say Happy Holiday's so not to offend the Jews who don't celebrate Christmas. That's the government telling people what they can and can't say. Maybe it offends me that someone on TV can't wish me a Merry Christmas.

    If you feel I'm a racist then you don't have to talk to me.

Yours Truly
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« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2005, 03:44:53 PM »

 Now Mr. Siegel, don't get your kishkes in a bunch.  Dan is not an anti-semite as you aver.  I can attest to that fact.  Dan and I have swapped stories about Skokie, IL dozens of times.  If you didn't know, Skokie is a predominately Jewish suburb in Chicagoland.  Dan's wife is from there and he NEVER uttered a bad word about any Jewish person to my knowledge.  The same goes for Scott.  I think Dan was railing moreso on the "PC-ing" of America, where old customs and wishes now seem to be altered so that no one is forgotten or unsulted.  Believe me, the athiests have a field day at this time of year, with their mangers in public square protests and so forth.
  
  As for myself,upon request from you I will show you my cancelled checks made out to the ADL, the CDF, and 5 or 6 other charitable foundations if you wish.  It gives someone no right to make disparaging remarks, but it does demonstrate where someone's heart lies IMO.  I myself am honored that the 1st night of Chanukah and Christmas fall on the same date this year.  So, Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah, and Happy Holidays to all.  TC  

TC:
Now you're answering and apologizing for Dan. Why hasn't he adressed what I said? A simple sentence or two could have put out the fire.

By the way, I know about Skokie, and if you think I'm impressed because you contributed to the ADL, well the fact that you mentioned it sounds like more of that "some of my best friends are Jewish" garbage.

If you think I don't realize that Dan was trying to talk about "PC ing" I suggest you reread what I just wrote. Check out where I say that I actually agree with what I think he's trying to say.
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« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2005, 03:50:15 PM »

OK Paul, if you say so then I'm a racist. The government won't let TV commericals say Merry Christmas anymore, they must say Happy Holiday's so not to offend the Jews who don't celebrate Christmas. That's the government telling people what they can and can't say. Maybe it offends me that someone on TV can't wish me a Merry Christmas.

    If you feel I'm a racist then you don't have to talk to me.

Yours Truly


Dan:
The government does not control whether TV commercials can use the words "Merry Christmas." That is the decision of the businesses that are doing the advertising.
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« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2005, 03:55:38 PM »

NJ,

Don't try to reason with this guy.
I know you're coming from the heart and the mind, but he just doesn't get it.
If the tables were reversed he'd probably put up one of those stupid polls asking people to vote on whether you were a racist.
Don't waste your time.
Sorry you had to deal with this.
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« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2005, 03:56:15 PM »

Dan:
The government does not control whether TV commercials can use the words "Merry Christmas." That is the decision of the businesses that are doing the advertising.

The government controls our minds through TV. Thats why you want to wear a tinfoil hat whenever you watch.
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« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2005, 04:41:19 PM »

NJ


PAUL


I don't get it. How is " some of my best friends are Jewish"  a racist remark? I'm not trying to defend anyone here. But it doesn't make sense to me how that can be construed as negative. Not trying to be smartass, but what should you say if in fact some of your best friends were in fact Jewish?? Again I don't mean to offend, I would like to know.
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« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2005, 04:49:23 PM »

My advice to everyone is to leave this one be.
NJ Paul said his piece.
*** still hasn't responded like a man.

Besides the more I see that picture, the more he looks like Hitler.
No one needs that.
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« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2005, 04:59:10 PM »



By the way, I know about Skokie, and if you think I'm impressed because you contributed to the ADL, well the fact that you mentioned it sounds like more of that "some of my best friends are Jewish" garbage.


Once again Paul you are 100 % totally correct.  I am a raving anti-dentite...err semite.  I dream of Hitler winning WWII and wiping us all out each and every day.  I hope I can purge every Jewish person out of my neighborhood.  It may take awhile, since the area is probably 50 %  Jewish, but by all that's holy, I start getting rid of them tomorrow.  My college roommates Terry Shapiro and David Rubenstein better not read this or I'll never be invited to one of their children's bar or bat mitzvahs again.  Only you, the greatest standardbred owner of all time could figure that out -well done.  Working with Barnett/Zimmerman LLC and fooling those two was very difficult.  I don't know they couldn't figure it out all those times at work at lunch, at the track and on roadtrips to see their stakes horses.  To Al Garnick, one of the best people ever to work at the CME, I'm sorry I deceived you.  All those many hours we discussed life and harness racing , all I could think of is how you were a dumb (fill in the blank insulting remark here).

  Paul, at least now everyone on the forum knows you're a proud man and not a self-hating type of person.  Thank you for shedding the light and interpretting every post to help weed out all the folks that don't think like yourself.  I guess I should stage a book burning of "How to Own Winning Standardbred Racehorses" at the local clan meeting.  Can you lend me some white sheets ?  I'm low on funds after losing sessions on Thursday and Sunday.  Thanks buddy.  Wink  TC    P.S.  I have to go.  I'm having rabbi Michael Lerner over for cocktails and dinner.  Should be a hoot.   P.P.S.  To those of you who can't distinguish satire from hate rantings, you should get out more often.  Wink 
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« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2005, 05:01:00 PM »

NJ


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I don't get it. How is " some of my best friends are Jewish"  a racist remark? I'm not trying to defend anyone here. But it doesn't make sense to me how that can be construed as negative. Not trying to be smartass, but what should you say if in fact some of your best friends were in fact Jewish?? Again I don't mean to offend, I would like to know.

I don't know what he's talking about. My best friend when I was growing up was a Jew. Fred Kohn was his name.

   Yours Truly
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« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2005, 05:05:20 PM »

Burton

First
I wasn't  asking for your advise. Nor was I trying to get a rise out of Paul.

Second-- Who are you to tell anyone that they should leave something alone??? For months you and most on here keep going back and forth on the same old same old bash fest.

And finally-- Don't you think that this is the true issue with this forum? Someone Say's anything and it is automatically a bash fest!

p.s.I do like how you turned your post "advising" everybody what to do, to get another shot at ***. Isn't that the real reason you replied to begin with?
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« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2005, 05:09:32 PM »

DT2

I actually am concerned that NJ Paul had to put up with this nonsense.

I shouldn't have made that other comment.
It didn't help.
You're absolutely right.
I apologize.
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