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Author Topic: Stan Bergstein writes: "EPO CHEATERS CAN NOW BE NAILED"  (Read 4418 times)
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2006, 12:41:26 PM »

STAN BERGSTEIN IS ANOTHER OLD CODGER THAT THE SPORT HAS PASSED BY!! HE DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HELL HES TALKING ABOUT ANYMORE!! HES JUST ONE OF THESE DOPES WHO LIKES TO RELIVE HISTORICAL FACTS INSTEAD OF WHATS GOING ON W/ TODAYS DRIVERS AND TRAINERS!! HES NO LONGER RELEVANT AND SHOULD JUST STEP ASIDE FROM WHATEVER TRUMPED UP POSITION HE HOLDS!!
HELL.........HES PROBABLY STILL TRYING TO BET ON STANLEY DANCER AND BILL HAUGHTON!!!

STAN BERGSTEIN--------------------------> geezer

I'm sorry to say that Stan has forgotten more than you'll ever know.  He's definitely not in his prime, but there's much that can be learned from the wisdom of people like this.

Plus, as an added bonus, he types in lowercase letters.   Cheesy

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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2006, 12:52:15 PM »

Dan

Perrigrin with stove pipe ankles???


More like nuclear smoke stacks!!!!!!!!!!


I raced him two starts at prairie meadows for the "fat cat". Wow, how he could even go forward was beyond me.


how long were those ankles like that Dan? Must of been years!

 He had those ankles when I claimed him from Ole'. It didn't stop me from winning 6 straight and 60K. I told Don when he claimed him not to inject his ankles with anything. He didn't listen and blow them up bigger then they were. I guess that's what turned them from stovepipes to nuclear smoke stacks.

    Man it's great being a " has been " and taking about the good old days. Burton has nothing to talk about because he was a " never was ". 
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2006, 01:35:42 PM »

He had those ankles when I claimed him from Ole'. It didn't stop me from winning 6 straight and 60K. I told Don when he claimed him not to inject his ankles with anything. He didn't listen and blow them up bigger then they were. I guess that's what turned them from stovepipes to nuclear smoke stacks.

    Man it's great being a " has been " and taking about the good old days. Burton has nothing to talk about because he was a " never was ". 


Nance taking another topic off target with some story about some cheap claimer from 25 years ago.
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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2006, 01:36:05 PM »

Dan


what shocks me is, How could they even find a joint.

We were able to win one out of two with him.


the first start was god awefull, he was so lame. the start I won with him, he never had a harness on him that week. It was nothing but two hours of the horse walkers ( 1 hour morning and night) Twice a day in the cold water hoses for 1 hour a piece. Sweat in the morning with furcin,dmso, and cortisone. And poultice each night.


That was a cool $18+ win that night with the fat cat driving. i swear, by the end of the week you could barely even walk him. I think it was the first time he felt like a horse since you had him. Not sure what happen with him after that. Donnie went back to chicago.

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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2006, 01:40:11 PM »


Which is I guess the question I am asking.  I have yet to read from any of the news reports of levels, half-lifes, administration guidelines, or any of the other goodies involved in calling a positive.

And I'm sure DailyDaley will correct me. 8)

I haven't seen the details, but the following quote leads me to believe the PA lab has this buttoned down:

"Asked if he thought the test would stand up against court challenges, Dr. Uboh answered quickly. "No doubt," he said. "They can send these tests anywhere in the world for verification." "
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« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2006, 01:51:46 PM »

Nance taking another topic off target with some story about some cheap claimer from 25 years ago.

You're the one who told me to tell you about one of my claimers from 20 years ago so I did.

    A cheap claimer? Not cheap burton unless you call 30K cheap. You never owned a cheap claimer like him during your time as a bustout owner.
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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2006, 02:14:48 PM »

Another topic derailed by nance.
Tell us about Kiss Em Joe.
FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2006, 03:12:45 PM »

Nice comment burton before you even know if the man did something wrong or not. That's why you are known as a grandstnd goof.

    More topics about dope and horse dopers.


Here's my first post under this topic which was on topic about burton's comment about juicers using EPO.
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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2006, 03:14:38 PM »


Now go and tell me about some claimer you won with 25 years ago!

Here's burton's first post under this topic to throw the topic off topic
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« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2006, 03:24:42 PM »



    Now back to your grandstand goof comments. Go ahead and label guys horse dopers before you even know if the horse was juiced or not. Go to Oakbrook and sit with your other buddy with the last name of Burton and talk that shit with him while he pimps out whores.   


Here's another post asking burton to go back on topic about him saying Robinson is a horse doper because a man's horse won in 46.4. No, he continued to take the thread of topic because he's a grandstand goof. 

     
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« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2006, 03:27:19 PM »

Here's another post asking burton to go back on topic about him saying Robinson is a horse doper because a man's horse won in 46.4. No, he continued to take the thread of topic because he's a grandstand goof. 

     


I hate to raise questions, but there's something to be said about the fact that Bill (his father) returns to the game, and instantly, the horse slices from consistently going in 150.2-150.4 (with a mark of 1:49) to 1:48, 1:47.4, and 1:46.4.

Now, I know that the Big M was very fast in the last two or three weeks of the meet (even moreso than normal), but that was a HUGE reversal.

Obviously, however, until anything is proven, I think the mile should be celebrated.

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« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2006, 03:34:11 PM »

I hate to raise questions, but there's something to be said about the fact that Bill (his father) returns to the game, and instantly, the horse slices from consistently going in 150.2-150.4 (with a mark of 1:49) to 1:48, 1:47.4, and 1:46.4.

Now, I know that the Big M was very fast in the last two or three weeks of the meet (even moreso than normal), but that was a HUGE reversal.

Obviously, however, until anything is proven, I think the mile should be celebrated.

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EW
EW,
As always, I respect your informed opinion.
But, i don't have to go to the North Pole to know it's cold there.
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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2006, 03:37:16 PM »

EW,
As always, I respect your informed opinion.
But, i don't have to go to the North Pole to know it's cold there.

I agree.  As I posted earlier, I'm skeptical.

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« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2006, 03:37:57 PM »

I'm sorry to say that Stan has forgotten more than you'll ever know.  He's definitely not in his prime, but there's much that can be learned from the wisdom of people like this.

Plus, as an added bonus, he types in lowercase letters.   Cheesy

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EW

           What did Stan ever do for harness racing ? In one of his last articles in Hoof Beats he blabs about being a race secretary at Sportsmens Park a hundred years ago and also picks on S. Manzi who wants to see the sport cleaned up.


 Stan should be in the old folks home with a butt plug in his mouth.


 Bobby
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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2006, 03:44:43 PM »

           What did Stan ever do for harness racing ? In one of his last articles in Hoof Beats he blabs about being a race secretary at Sportsmens Park a hundred years ago and also picks on S. Manzi who wants to see the sport cleaned up.

 Stan should be in the old folks home with a butt plug in his mouth.

 Bobby

What did Stan ever do for harness racing?  Oh bother...

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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2006, 03:47:45 PM »



 You mean don't bother.




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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2006, 03:49:03 PM »

What did Stan ever do for harness racing?  Oh bother...

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The only thing Stan's done lately for harness racing is left a pile of used Depends in the M1 pressbox.  The guy wouldn't know modern chemical warfare if Rucker were pissing on him as he was pinned down by Team Robinson (of Canada).  Oh bother...?  LOL.   trotter  TC
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« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2006, 03:52:37 PM »

The only thing Stan's done lately for harness racing is left a pile of used Depends in the M1 pressbox.  The guy wouldn't know modern chemical warfare if Rucker were pissing on him as he was pinned down by Team Robinson (of Canada).  Oh bother...?  LOL.   trotter  TC

Bobby didn't say "lately."  He said "ever" -- and that's just silly.

"Lately" is definitely up for debate.

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« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2006, 03:52:43 PM »

I hate to raise questions, but there's something to be said about the fact that Bill (his father) returns to the game, and instantly, the horse slices from consistently going in 150.2-150.4 (with a mark of 1:49) to 1:48, 1:47.4, and 1:46.4.

Now, I know that the Big M was very fast in the last two or three weeks of the meet (even moreso than normal), but that was a HUGE reversal.

Obviously, however, until anything is proven, I think the mile should be celebrated.

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EW

It's like this Edward. Some guys are great trainers and can get more out of horses then others. The conditions were ideal for that kind of mile. I thought the 1:51 mile in the Hambo was pretty fast but nobody is saying a word about the trainer who won that race.
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« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2006, 03:59:47 PM »

Dan Does some of these times have to with track conditions better equipment(bikes) ETC?
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« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2006, 04:03:30 PM »

It's like this Edward. Some guys are great trainers and can get more out of horses then others. The conditions were ideal for that kind of mile. I thought the 1:51 mile in the Hambo was pretty fast but nobody is saying a word about the trainer who won that race.

He did it off the pace, with strong fractions set.  That's a big difference from quarter moving and going down the chute, IMO.

Also, there was no trainer change.

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« Reply #46 on: August 10, 2006, 04:09:42 PM »

Dan Does some of these times have to with track conditions better equipment(bikes) ETC?
What would Dan know about today's bikes or FFA horses, or the Meadowlands??
I'd like to know what NJ Paul thinks about the 1:46 4/5 mile??
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« Reply #47 on: August 10, 2006, 04:11:01 PM »

Dan Does some of these times have to with track conditions better equipment(bikes) ETC?

Obviously, these things play a role.  But, Holborn Hanover improved 4 seconds in three starts.  Some of it was the fast track, but that's quite the improvement.

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« Reply #48 on: August 10, 2006, 04:14:06 PM »

Maybe they figured somthing out on him. I've seen some changes make big diferences. SGOT NOT EPO? light bulb
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« Reply #49 on: August 10, 2006, 04:16:09 PM »

Maybe they figured somthing out on him. I've seen some changes make big diferences. SGOT NOT EPO? light bulb

There's no doubt something could've been figured out.  Hence why I said the mile should be celebrated.

I just look at it skeptically, because these horses just aren't quitting anymore.  26 final panel off a 1:20.4?!?

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