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Author Topic: Question of the Day=Driver/Trainer  (Read 1995 times)
redneck
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« on: November 25, 2005, 03:16:52 PM »

This question might be one that EW has the answer to.

Which is your favorite or most profitable driver / trainer combination?
(Not restricted to Illinois connections)

Oosting/Rucker
Hiteman/Freeze

These are two combo`s here that I see win frequently.
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2005, 03:23:48 PM »

Redneck:

Two of my favorites are:

Willis/Holland
Silva/Sears

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2005, 03:49:29 PM »

Redneck, here's mine


  Eric Ledford.....Seldon Ledford
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2005, 04:10:18 PM »

I like locally Hamilton/Hiteman The Big M its Silva/Sears


PS Neck I think it's Freese not that I am trying to prove you wrong Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2005, 04:12:05 PM »

This question might be one that EW has the answer to.

Which is your favorite or most profitable driver / trainer combination?
(Not restricted to Illinois connections)

Oosting/Rucker
Hiteman/Freeze

These are two combo`s here that I see win frequently.


Obviously, Oosting/Rucker always mentions merit, but I'm not sure if I'd call it "profitable."  Normally, their horses are definitely underlays...

Here's some pretty common combos, with their W-P-S percentages and ROI.
Driver   Trainer   Starts   W%   P%   S%   WPS%   $1 ROI
Holland   Blumenfeld   9   22   11   11   44   3.29
Oosting   Saner           52   6   17   10   33   2.12
Dean   May            16   13   6   6   25   2.06
Widger   Roth           20   20   15   0   35   2.05
Oosting   Dubeansky     33     18    15   12   45   1.57
Dean   Moffitt             17     12   6   12   30   1.49
Marsh   Nero            26    8   15   15   38   1.48
Widger   Phillips    48     13   23   17   53   1.43
Hiteman   Porcelli   66    15   9   12   36   1.3
Widger   Stamper        114   10   27   18   55   1.25
Hiteman   Pacitti          18    17   22   6   45   1.23
Widger   Rucker         53   21   9   4   34   1.2
Dillander   Duncan   45   11   20   4   35   1.18
Holland   Willis              54      19   13   9   41   1.11
Dean   Darcy            27    15   7   11   33   1.04
Oosting   Ledford         240   25   22   13   60   1.01
Coleman   Coleman        107   8   15   9   32   1
Wilson Jr Wilson Jr   39   10   3   18   31   1
Tetrick   McCaffrey   65   18   15   12   45   1
Dave   Wilson Jr   63   30   13   10   53   0.98
Dave   McCaffrey   59   25   15   3   43   0.96
Hiteman   Hochstetler   50   12   14   18   44   0.96
Tetrick   Schadt   551   20   18   10   48   0.96
Dave   Darcy   404   24   13   13   50   0.95
Marsh   Hochstetler   169   20   15   12   47   0.94
Anderson Anderson   292   24   18   9   51   0.9
Oosting   Rucker           505   18   18   15   51   0.9
Tetrick   Blumenfeld   99   14   7   14   35   0.81
Tetrick   Brown           5   20   20   0   40   0.79
Tetrick   Welch        142   20   17   20   57   0.79
Hiteman   Willis         145   15   12   12   39   0.76
Magee   Harmer         34   24   15   15   54   0.74
Welch   Welch         42   17   21   10   48   0.74
Holland   Erv            26   15   12   15   42   0.68
Widger   P'Pool          97   10   13   15   38   0.67
Tetrick   Porcelli   34   15   21   18   54   0.57
Tetrick   Porcelli   34   15   21   18   54   0.57
Tetrick   Von Knob   6   17   0   17   34   0.56
MageeButenschoen  107   12   16   24   52   0.53
Tetrick   Von Knob   8   25   38   0   63   0.52
Hiteman   McCaffrey   21   14   14   14   42   0.51
Dillander Plowman   132   7   5   14   26   0.49
Dillander Bernardi   15   7   13   7   27   0.4
Hostetler Hostetler   139   12   12   16   40   0.39
Tetrick   Robinson   57   9   14   7   30   0.36
Holland   Allums           16   6   6   19   31   0.35
Marsh   Peacock         33   9   27   9   45   0.29
Hiteman   Eaton         33   6   15   18   39   0.29
Widger   Pacitti           18   6   33   17   56   0.19
Holland   Butenschoen   9   11   33   11   55   0.19
Chupp   Chupp           39   3   13   5   21   0.16
Dean   Ozment           6   0   0   0   0   0
Hiteman   Harmer          2   0   0   50   50   0
Widger   Parrish           2   0   0   0   0   0
Marsh   Ledford          5   0   0   20   20   0
Holland   Elliott      20   0   15   10   25   0
Holland   Wilson Jr   7   0   0   0   0   0
Marsh   Eaton           18   0   28   0   28   0
Dean   Willis              6   0   0   0   0   0
Dillander   Boccia   30   0   3   17   20   0
Dillander   Pacitti   4   0   25   25   50   0


Watch the columns, because the stuff doesn't exactly copy nicely out of my database.  These numbers are from the last year, and are from last Saturday's card.

It's Driver - Trainer - Win % - Place % - Show % - ITM % - $1 ROI

Have a great Black Friday!

Best,
EW
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2005, 04:48:04 PM »

I like locally Hamilton/Hiteman The Big M its Silva/Sears


PS Neck I think it's Freese not that I am trying to prove you wrong Cheesy

Thats what I get for using spell check!!
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2005, 04:56:41 PM »

EW

Did you ever check Morgan/Simmons?

I know anybody and Morgan is going to be slightly skewed
but I didn`t see any Morgan combinations in your list.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2005, 05:09:29 PM »

EW

Did you ever check Morgan/Simmons?

I know anybody and Morgan is going to be slightly skewed
but I didn`t see any Morgan combinations in your list.

I only ran the combinations from last Saturday...

Personally, I can only remember Tony driving "Sounds of Silence" once or twice for him.  Don't think he hit the board with her.

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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2005, 06:19:22 PM »

Obviously, Oosting/Rucker always mentions merit, but I'm not sure if I'd call it "profitable."  Normally, their horses are definitely underlays...

Here's some pretty common combos, with their W-P-S percentages and ROI.
Driver   Trainer   Starts   W%   P%   S%   WPS%   $1 ROI
Holland   Blumenfeld   9   22   11   11   44   3.29
Oosting   Saner           52   6   17   10   33   2.12
Dean   May            16   13   6   6   25   2.06
Widger   Roth           20   20   15   0   35   2.05
Oosting   Dubeansky     33     18    15   12   45   1.57
Dean   Moffitt             17     12   6   12   30   1.49
Marsh   Nero            26    8   15   15   38   1.48
Widger   Phillips    48     13   23   17   53   1.43
Hiteman   Porcelli   66    15   9   12   36   1.3
Widger   Stamper        114   10   27   18   55   1.25
Hiteman   Pacitti          18    17   22   6   45   1.23
Widger   Rucker         53   21   9   4   34   1.2
Dillander   Duncan   45   11   20   4   35   1.18
Holland   Willis              54      19   13   9   41   1.11
Dean   Darcy            27    15   7   11   33   1.04
Oosting   Ledford         240   25   22   13   60   1.01
Coleman   Coleman        107   8   15   9   32   1
Wilson Jr Wilson Jr   39   10   3   18   31   1
Tetrick   McCaffrey   65   18   15   12   45   1
Dave   Wilson Jr   63   30   13   10   53   0.98
Dave   McCaffrey   59   25   15   3   43   0.96
Hiteman   Hochstetler   50   12   14   18   44   0.96
Tetrick   Schadt   551   20   18   10   48   0.96
Dave   Darcy   404   24   13   13   50   0.95
Marsh   Hochstetler   169   20   15   12   47   0.94
Anderson Anderson   292   24   18   9   51   0.9
Oosting   Rucker           505   18   18   15   51   0.9
Tetrick   Blumenfeld   99   14   7   14   35   0.81
Tetrick   Brown           5   20   20   0   40   0.79
Tetrick   Welch        142   20   17   20   57   0.79
Hiteman   Willis         145   15   12   12   39   0.76
Magee   Harmer         34   24   15   15   54   0.74
Welch   Welch         42   17   21   10   48   0.74
Holland   Erv            26   15   12   15   42   0.68
Widger   P'Pool          97   10   13   15   38   0.67
Tetrick   Porcelli   34   15   21   18   54   0.57
Tetrick   Porcelli   34   15   21   18   54   0.57
Tetrick   Von Knob   6   17   0   17   34   0.56
MageeButenschoen  107   12   16   24   52   0.53
Tetrick   Von Knob   8   25   38   0   63   0.52
Hiteman   McCaffrey   21   14   14   14   42   0.51
Dillander Plowman   132   7   5   14   26   0.49
Dillander Bernardi   15   7   13   7   27   0.4
Hostetler Hostetler   139   12   12   16   40   0.39
Tetrick   Robinson   57   9   14   7   30   0.36
Holland   Allums           16   6   6   19   31   0.35
Marsh   Peacock         33   9   27   9   45   0.29
Hiteman   Eaton         33   6   15   18   39   0.29
Widger   Pacitti           18   6   33   17   56   0.19
Holland   Butenschoen   9   11   33   11   55   0.19
Chupp   Chupp           39   3   13   5   21   0.16
Dean   Ozment           6   0   0   0   0   0
Hiteman   Harmer          2   0   0   50   50   0
Widger   Parrish           2   0   0   0   0   0
Marsh   Ledford          5   0   0   20   20   0
Holland   Elliott      20   0   15   10   25   0
Holland   Wilson Jr   7   0   0   0   0   0
Marsh   Eaton           18   0   28   0   28   0
Dean   Willis              6   0   0   0   0   0
Dillander   Boccia   30   0   3   17   20   0
Dillander   Pacitti   4   0   25   25   50   0


Watch the columns, because the stuff doesn't exactly copy nicely out of my database.  These numbers are from the last year, and are from last Saturday's card.

It's Driver - Trainer - Win % - Place % - Show % - ITM % - $1 ROI

Have a great Black Friday!

Best,
EW
So, you're advocating wagering on known cheater stables, as they occupy 3 of the top 5 slots on your chart ( up to the individual reader to figure out which  Wink ) ?  I'll bet on how many new fire hazards the honest inspector hits Crimoral with rather than play horse killers and known juicers and habitual offenders.  Keep in mind that the horse (which gets the "help") and the driver ratio of skill is roughly 85 % - 15 %. Dan and sn, please come back just to throw this statistical anomaly back into proper orbit.  Team *** is "money in the bank", NOT "needle in the arse" or  "Arm & Hammer Chump".  Also, Deano is aces in my book, but I'll quit forever before putting him or Sunday Sam on top on a Saturday night.  "Coffee is for closers only !" as they said in 'Glengarry Glen Ross".  TC
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2005, 02:31:45 AM »

Are you retarded TC, its just a damn chart of combos from highest to lowest roi.  Thats return on investment in case you didn't know.  Learn the Game!!!!!!
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2005, 03:06:46 AM »

Are you retarded TC, its just a damn chart of combos from highest to lowest roi.  Thats return on investment in case you didn't know.  Learn the Game!!!!!!

It is just ordered by ROI -- no preference shown.

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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2005, 05:40:18 PM »

Oosting - Rucker
Oosting - Ledford
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2005, 05:12:05 PM »

EW

Interesting to see Widger and Holland pretty high up on the R.O.I. scales,
you might be able to get some prices on that kind of stuff , thanks for the info
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2005, 06:32:46 PM »



    MARSH...FARRINGTON

    PAISLEY...FRANSEN

    MAGEE....DAVINO

    HOSTETLER...***

    MARSH...***

    DOLBEE...ANYBODY!!!!!
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2005, 09:07:26 PM »

My favorite was DOLBEE/ KURTZWORTH, or how about when Jim Curran got hurt and Joe Marsh
and Jim Dolbee drove the Farrington stock
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2005, 11:23:06 PM »

Dont forget these guys!!!

"Charmin" Carmen Alessi......for........Don Carter jr./ H brown

Harold "The Magician" Guerra..for.....Harold "The Magician" Guerra

Don "the Guitar Man" Brooks....for....Russel Burress

Dan "Big Stick" Knox.....for......Eddy Holdeman

And William DiBella
William Roseboom
Maurella Mazzulla
Sam Scalletta
Alvin Stanke
"A" George Shaw
Regaldo Merry
Harry Sprunger
And dont forget, Kenny "The Man" Porter!!!! driving their own!!!
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2005, 09:41:38 AM »

***, you forgot to add milkshakes to the Knox-Holdeman combo.
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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2005, 10:09:07 AM »

SN


About a week ago when we were chatting on here, we were talking about the good old day's  and how everyone was happy and how it seemed everyone had plenty of money in there pockets.

If you look at the list of driver --trainer combo's you and your brother listed here, That sure explains why everybody was stacked back then. How as a horsemen or a handicapper back then could you not  not make money, granted the competion was brutal but at the very least you knew the horses going to post were sharp and they had a set of hands sitting behind them !!!

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