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Author Topic: FCC fires Leving!  (Read 2484 times)
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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2006, 07:33:54 PM »

I've been witness to several odd loud public arguments between the 3 of them, it is very awkward to watch - one time I was sitting in those study carrell things and the 3 of them were rotating in and out of the row in front of me  with a couple hanger ons and the arguements and back stabbing just kept growing as the day went on, something about someone being in France and  buying some horse for them for decent cash.

But like someone said above they may like the whole process, one thing you can say for sure is that all 3 of them have quite a bit of intensity - they tend to take things personally - and I know that doesn't wash too well with some in the Sport of Kings - but it generally is a trait I like in people. I don't know about Catalano but the other 2 push it through the windows pretty well so I don't doubt any of the gambling angles as discussed above and at other times.
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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2006, 08:27:35 PM »

I heard from a very reliable source that even though Frank won the owners titles for NJC( at Hawthorne spring) - Arlington (summer) - and Hawthorne (fall) in 2004, he also lost 1.3 million on his racing operations that year. He's a multi-millionaire, and a lot of this is tax write-offs and fun for him. However, I talked with him about this and he hates to lose especially when it's a horse he has dropped after a claim and out of jail.
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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2006, 08:35:45 PM »

I was unable to confirm the alleged firing with anyone at the track. Does anybody know this to be a fact? Just checking.
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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2006, 08:43:45 PM »

I can find out tomorrow morning Trackman. It's too late to make a call tonight.
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2006, 08:46:11 PM »

...or is this an old thread that came out of the archives!   Wink

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Make up, then to break up, that's all we do......
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« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2006, 08:53:54 PM »

If I were a trainer I'd be embarrassed to admit this to anyone. I don't know Frank personally, however, until now, I was not even aware he was a big player. I have heard plenty of other things.

Frank is sort of King of the Paddock.  He has a certain place on paddock fence right at the start of the tunnel.  Virtually every jockey pays his respect when he comes by, as well as most trainers and other horse people.  Mr. D definitely stops by.  When Frank was going for the owner's win record, Mr. D stopped by and told him in no uncertain terms that he wanted him to beat Hickey's win record.
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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2006, 08:11:40 AM »

Frank is sort of King of the Paddock.  He has a certain place on paddock fence right at the start of the tunnel.  Virtually every jockey pays his respect when he comes by, as well as most trainers and other horse people.  Mr. D definitely stops by.  When Frank was going for the owner's win record, Mr. D stopped by and told him in no uncertain terms that he wanted him to beat Hickey's win record.

I have never thought of him in that way. The way he Win's races does not impress me. I have always been amazed at Robert Bone as an owner, a man who does all his own claiming and placing of the horse and wins at nearly 30% while raising them most of the time. I am also impressed with Scott Lake's claiming ability and moving up of horses.

You don't have to be a genius to claim a horse for $25K and wait 30 days and run him for 18K and be favorite. Most anyone with any basic knowledge and a large supply of money can compete for a training title. What do you prove? The jock's are there kissing ass to get on some live mounts and I don't blame them.
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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2006, 08:56:33 AM »

"I can find out tomorrow morning Trackman. It's too late to make a call tonight."

Beau,

Did you find out anything?
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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2006, 09:06:43 AM »

I have never thought of him in that way. The way he Win's races does not impress me. I have always been amazed at Robert Bone as an owner, a man who does all his own claiming and placing of the horse and wins at nearly 30% while raising them most of the time. I am also impressed with Scott Lake's claiming ability and moving up of horses.

You don't have to be a genius to claim a horse for $25K and wait 30 days and run him for 18K and be favorite. Most anyone with any basic knowledge and a large supply of money can compete for a training title. What do you prove? The jock's are there kissing ass to get on some live mounts and I don't blame them.

I totally agree. Give me $300,000 and I'll win the Owners title. Seriously. I may not make any money, but I'll claim horses, drop 'em, and watch them win and get claimed while making virtually no money but getting a win!
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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2006, 09:26:18 AM »

"I can find out tomorrow morning Trackman. It's too late to make a call tonight."

Beau,

Did you find out anything?

Trackman,

Yeah - here's the scoop. Leving quit, but he never quit working..LOL
He told Calabrese that he hated working for him, and that he quit. However, one hour later he was still picking out horses for him. Typical!!
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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2006, 09:41:28 AM »

"Yeah - here's the scoop. Leving quit, but he never quit working..LOL
He told Calabrese that he hated working for him, and that he quit. However, one hour later he was still picking out horses for him. Typical!!"

Yeah, that's Leving alright.
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« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2006, 10:30:02 AM »

"Ah wish I could quit yew" Cheesy
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« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2006, 06:56:50 PM »

Steve wasi n the winners circle for the phota when Lewis Michael won today's 3rd.  I guess they kissed and made up.

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« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2006, 07:31:55 PM »

I was in line behind FCC when he was at the windows.  He bet a $400 exacta box 5-6.
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« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2006, 07:37:53 PM »

I was in line behind FCC when he was at the windows.  He bet a $400 exacta box 5-6.

Bet against himself?
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« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2006, 07:55:48 PM »

I'm sensing RSR is serious. 

Lewis Michael was the #1

For what it's worth, here were the $2 Exacta Prices/Probables

1 with 5 paid $4.60 (winning combo)
1 with 6 - $9
5 with 1 - $19
6 with 1  - $56
5 with 6 - $63
6 with 5 - $105

I didn't follow the races today.  Frankly, I thought Lewis Micheal would win this confidence builder, though was not a mortal lock.
Personally I don't have the wealth to make $800 Insurance Bets, though could appreciate the concept. 
$400 exactas would have returned approx $12,600 and $21,000. 
Purse of the race $35,000
Winner's share before all everyone gets their cut: $21,500.
Purse if had run 2nd: $7,000 (though fewer shares)
So if his horse didn't at least run 2nd, he still have assured himself of good compensaton,if not similar to the purse money. 
The public defintely overbet his very good horse. 
But perhaps for those who bet and can afford long losing streaks, perhaps the 5-6 exacta box was the "value wager".




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« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2006, 10:19:27 PM »

"Steve was in the winners' circle for the photo when Lewis Michael won today's 3rd.  I guess they kissed and made up."

The whole love-hate triangle among FCC, Cat and Leving is like a soap opera. No wonder women (and a few closet men) like that shit. It is real life and it certainly is interesting.


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« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2006, 08:20:20 AM »

As I stated "AS THE SHEDROW TURNS" That operation is bad for racing. Cat can do better than frank. Im sure the $ is good.
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« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2006, 11:08:25 AM »

Steve has had many jobs including Jock'e agent. He is good at everything he does. Frank will miss him. He does a great job as far as picking horses and is exceptional at pedigrees. Without steve Frank will have to rely on Wayne more to pick horses and buy privately. Steve is needed in an outfit of this size and what they want to get done. Let Wayne do his job, steve do his job (if he gets it back) and Frank well you need to relax, this business is full of ups and downs and not everything you buy is going to be a winner.
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« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2006, 11:22:31 AM »

He's a private consultant. Like Paul Drake is a private detective. Like me. I'm a private consultant.
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