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Author Topic: Is Shaking bad for horses?  (Read 2984 times)
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« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2006, 11:21:55 AM »

Your shake and bake and steroids in american's past time all came about from people who are corrupt morally and dont give a damn about the sport and industry there involved in.

They see no wrong in what they are doing and look at it as a way to compete.  In other words they lack the physical skills. Or they just cant train a horse for shit.

So they look for an equalizer.  Now for some people on this site who are acting like angels. Tell me when was the last time someone came up to you and said this horse is good tonight. And instead of reporting it to someone to clean up the industry.

You ran to the window faster than the wind. No one out there has the guts to come forward because if they did they'll be found witkh a bullet in there head.

This industry which we all love is saturated in corruption.  Nothing more than a bunch of crooks trying to get the edge on a bunch of crooks.  So the next time we get one of are self righteous ***hole like Joe D or EW or TC coming across as the saviour of the sport.

Just tell to kiss your ass because there right in the middle of it all .  AMEN  Angry

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« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2006, 12:19:30 PM »

The only horses I know of that were done in by baking soda were the ones where the tube went into the lungs instead of the stomach.

      I think Big Tom is still alive and kicking after all the shakes he was given and so are the many others that were baked and shaked by the masters of the game. If you overload anyone with anything you could have ill affects. But, I don't think that if you don't overdue the soda it will hurt the horse. After all if it did then we would have no horses racing or standing stud or poping out babies because in the last 18 years most of the horses have been shaked and baked by the best of them. Why do you think the horse are going faster these days?...... it's because they are not tying up on the end of a mile like they would do before the shake was discovered.


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Not coincidently, Big Tom has been a complete BUST OUT as a sire in Illinois.  That $1,000,000+ he
earned during his career was NOT based on talent but rather chemical engineering.

The TRUE talent of this sire has indeed passed to his offspring.  It would not surprise me to see his
Stud fee dropped to $1000 or to have a free breeding for Big Tom included with any Happy Meal purchase
at the McDonalds in Crete IL.
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« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2006, 12:24:01 PM »

A FREE HAPPY MEAL OR A FREE DANCE AT CLUB 390 OR A PRIVATE DANCE AT RYAN'S BASEMENT ON HIS STRIPPER POLE!!!!
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« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2006, 12:25:09 PM »

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Not coincidently, Big Tom has been a complete BUST OUT as a sire in Illinois.  That $1,000,000+ he
earned during his career was NOT based on talent but rather chemical engineering.

The TRUE talent of this sire has indeed passed to his offspring.  It would not surprise me to see his
Stud fee dropped to $1000 or to have a free breeding for Big Tom included with any Happy Meal purchase
at the McDonalds in Crete IL.

Am I the only one that thinks his minimal success as a sire could be tied to his smallish size and unimpressive confirmation?

Just thinking aloud...

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EW
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« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2006, 12:32:08 PM »

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Not coincidently, Big Tom has been a complete BUST OUT as a sire in Illinois.  That $1,000,000+ he
earned during his career was NOT based on talent but rather chemical engineering.

The TRUE talent of this sire has indeed passed to his offspring.  It would not surprise me to see his
Stud fee dropped to $1000 or to have a free breeding for Big Tom included with any Happy Meal purchase
at the McDonalds in Crete IL.

It's just about all over for Joe (the knife) after he lost that lawsuit. The ride was wild while it lasted but then the sky came crashing down. 
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« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2006, 12:33:44 PM »

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Not coincidently, Big Tom has been a complete BUST OUT as a sire in Illinois.  That $1,000,000+ he
earned during his career was NOT based on talent but rather chemical engineering.

The TRUE talent of this sire has indeed passed to his offspring.  It would not surprise me to see his
Stud fee dropped to $1000 or to have a free breeding for Big Tom included with any Happy Meal purchase
at the McDonalds in Crete IL.

Trotter1:

     Absolutely hilarious post. I'm in tears going into my next class.  Have a great day.

Best Regards,
Joseph M. Dakuras
(A UNLV Runnin Rebel for Life)
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« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2006, 12:54:03 PM »

Am I the only one that thinks his minimal success as a sire could be tied to his smallish size and unimpressive confirmation?

Just thinking aloud...

Best,
EW

Yeah, EW, but have you thought about why he was such a successful  racehorse given those factors?  Grin
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« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2006, 03:58:52 PM »

Am I the only one that thinks his minimal success as a sire could be tied to his smallish size and unimpressive confirmation?

Just thinking aloud...

Best,
EW

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Absolutely.   Barry Bonds would not have hit 700+ home runs without chemical engineering
involved either.
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« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2006, 04:59:44 PM »

Yeah, EW, but have you thought about why he was such a successful  racehorse given those factors?  Grin

There's been many great racehorses in the past that weren't supreme specimens of the breed -- very few have made good sires, however.

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« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2006, 05:44:04 PM »

There's been many great racehorses in the past that weren't supreme specimens of the breed -- very few have made good sires, however.

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EW
That's why some owners make the (boneheaded) move to overpay for a nice looking (ex.) Western Hanover that isn't worth anywhere near $125,000, because they think that this one or that one stands as nicely as his sire.  Picking a plum from the sales ring is harder than it looks...just ask Robin.   trotter  TC
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« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2006, 05:59:26 PM »

It's just about all over for Joe (the knife) after he lost that lawsuit. The ride was wild while it lasted but then the sky came crashing down. 


From Big Tom to BUSTED-OUT John
and from Million Dollar Bye to Million Dollar Bust (OVERNIGHT)

What goes around comes around!!!
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« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2006, 06:06:24 PM »

That's why some owners make the (boneheaded) move to overpay for a nice looking (ex.) Western Hanover that isn't worth anywhere near $125,000, because they think that this one or that one stands as nicely as his sire.  Picking a plum from the sales ring is harder than it looks...just ask Robin.   trotter  TC

That's one part of the business that I have no interest in even trying to figure out.  Why?  The way I see it -- no one has yet!

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« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2006, 06:21:18 PM »

That's one part of the business that I have no interest in even trying to figure out.  Why?  The way I see it -- no one has yet!

Best,
Ew
I agree that it's tough - though not impossible.  Several people have made excellent livings from the sales game and some buyers have done quite well.  I agree that it's very tough, but IMO, there's nothing like a private sale where you can vet the horse out, have your top "advisor" (trainer, scoper, etc.) sit behind them at a farm track and engage in more exclusive bidding and offering.  I've been to Harrisburg a few times ( my godmother lives there) for the sales, and I've seen a ton of cash burned.   trotter  TC
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« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2006, 09:45:01 PM »

That's why some owners make the (boneheaded) move to overpay for a nice looking (ex.) Western Hanover that isn't worth anywhere near $125,000, because they think that this one or that one stands as nicely as his sire.  Picking a plum from the sales ring is harder than it looks...just ask Robin.   trotter  TC

It's a crap shoot, and the highest price horses are often complete zeros on the racetrack, while mid range horses ($25,000-50,000) often do quite well.
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« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2006, 09:54:38 PM »

It's the DD and C (we're not talking cups here boyz).....

Demeanor,
Disposition
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Confirmation

Price is just a #
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