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arm and hammer
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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2006, 09:26:48 PM »

Here is a question........who are the best trainers that only have a few starts, basically training their own stock? basically trainers with no real money behind them except their own?
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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2006, 09:45:50 PM »

Why don't you separate the GOOD trainers as opposed to the Bottle  rat trainers.

And once you sort out the bottle  rat trainers, this will lead you to the BOTTLE  rat DRIVERS.

A 3 move horse with a load is a hard combination to beat. If you don't think most horses (75%) are running on a shake/dilator load, you are VERY FOOLISH.

Just because trainers don't get caught at 37 or 39 millimoles (TC02 positive), doesn't mean they are not getting TUBED. They have the same black boxes and do their own testing on the farms. They "DIAL IN" the mixture and away we go. Usually about 33 or 34 mm's.

This is EXACTLY what Hugh Gallagher is driving at in Delaware when he wants unannounced random searches at training facilities.

Don't think any differently. Based on my conversations with Brent Stone (Ontario Race Commission) Canada is trying to lower that 37/39 millimole target number.

DailyDaley:

I usually don't agree with you, but you're on target here. The 37/39 mm limits are a joke. Every study ever done shows that the horse's natural TCO2 level is much lower. The commissions set the limits at 37/39 when testing was first introduced fearing they would accidentally snag  horses with  naturally higher TCO2 levels. They later found it those horses don't exist. Lowering the limit is long overdue.
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« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2006, 09:50:43 PM »

Paul,

   Are you saying that a horse that has a high TCO2 has to have been milkshaked?  A horse sick won't ever have irregular levels?
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« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2006, 09:53:54 PM »

And of course every body races a sick horse right???
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« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2006, 10:17:07 PM »

Paul,

   Are you saying that a horse that has a high TCO2 has to have been milkshaked?  A horse sick won't ever have irregular levels?
Donna:
I'm saying the 37/39 levels are too high. Is it possible for a horse to go over with out being "shaked"...I guess so, but it is very, very unlikely.
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« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2006, 10:23:11 PM »

And of course every body races a sick horse right???

To be fair, you often don't know a horse is sick until after you race them. They can eat normally, behave normally, have no fever, and then race like crap. You then scope them and find they're full of mucus.
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« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2006, 10:52:48 PM »

All of Oostings 4 claimers are older former high class horses.. why? i dont know but those are the ones he prefers it seems.... McCaffery seems to me he is fighting his ass off because he doesnt use anything illegal.. When has McCaffery had a positive?? I beleive that he is one of the true ligite trainers left in chicago.........With all this critisimn about the juice guys why dont we praise the guy for doing it honestly.....
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« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2006, 12:01:09 AM »


EW,

Please post the top 20 chicago drivers in wins, earnings and udrs.  First for the whole year.  Then, if possible for the last two or three years.  And, if possible, do the same for Chicago trainers.  I'd love to see some of those stats.
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« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2006, 12:41:14 AM »

EW,

Please post the top 20 chicago drivers in wins, earnings and udrs.  First for the whole year.  Then, if possible for the last two or three years.  And, if possible, do the same for Chicago trainers.  I'd love to see some of those stats.

I'll work on it tomorrow.

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