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« on: September 01, 2013, 08:11:51 AM »

finished dead last  hurt?  sick?

4
5-Camaes Fellow             4.50   3.50   2.80     29882
6-Upfront Hoosierboy               6.90   4.90     13192
2-Speed Again                             5.30      6875

$2 EXACTOR (5-6) paid 34.40, pool 39325
$2 TRIACTOR (5-6-2) paid 273.40, pool 51230
$1 PICK 3 (1-2-5) paid 205.20, pool 8508

1 MILE, PACE, PURSE $34,000.
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Horse                       HV PP    1/4     1/2     3/4     Stretch  Finish     Time    1/4  Driver           Odds   Trainer
5   Camaes Fellow               5    1/1H    1/1T    1/1T    1/1T     1/T        1:48.1  26.1 Y Gingras        1.25*  D Menary
6   Upfront Hoosierboy(L)       6    3/3H    3/3Q    3/3T    3/3T     2/T        1:48.2  25.3 Ra Waples        8.60   C Johnson
2   Speed Again(L)              2    2/1H    2/1T    2/1T    2/1T     3/3Q       1:48.4  26.2 B Davis Jr       6.35   J Gillis
1   Up The Credit               1    4/5     5/4T    5/5T    5/5T     4/3T       1:49    25.4 J Jamieson       7.10   C Jamieson
4   Piston Broke                4    6/10    6@/5H   6@@/6   4/5H     5/5        1:49.1  26   Ti Tetrick       8.60   R Fellows
8   Casimir Jitterbug           8    8/15    7/7Q    7/7H    6/7H     6/5H       1:49.1  25.4 D Mcnair        18.05   T Osullivan
3   Ok Commander                3    5/6T    4@/3H   4@/4H   7/7T     7/6H       1:49.2  26.3 M Saftic        37.30   R Mcnair
7   Sunshine Beach              7    7/12H   8@/7H   8@/8H   8/8Q     8/7H       1:49.3  26   C Christoforou   3.45   M Steacy
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2013, 08:39:14 AM »

CRISTOFOURU,,SHOULD NEVER DRIVE A HORSE AGAIN,,

CLASSICIAL NO TRY,,


HORSE HAS NOTHIN BUT SPEED,,,

WOW WHAT AN AWEFUL DRIVE
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2013, 09:18:19 AM »

If your coming home in 26 seconds no the horse isn't sick.  If he is hurt then the horse gave a game effort pacing under 1:50 and coming home in 26.  Maybe the drive like Luc mention or a different excuse.  There is a number of excuses on the list why the horse didn't fire. 
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2013, 09:26:37 AM »

Racing against older pacers is tough for any 3 year old
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2013, 09:47:57 AM »

  Horse on the front stole the half Sunshine would have had to come home in 24 to win this race. The connections are not going to kill the horse for this purse when theres more big money down the line. Just a training mile.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2013, 09:48:26 AM »

time does not matter when the horses in front produce a suck along time for trailers

maybe he was not trying and just wanted a race but horrible effort paced against older similar before and won and finished third   55 and 122 flat are honest fraction for this class   so stealing the race he did not
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2013, 09:59:18 AM »

  Horse on the front stole the half Sunshine would have had to come home in 24 to win this race. The connections are not going to kill the horse for this purse when theres more big money down the line. Just a training mile.
at least some one knows a little something about racing...apparently sam and luc wanted this 3 yr old to go wingin with these older horses last nite....sunshine is in the simcoe stakes next week...goin for 250000...entered him last nite just to keep him sharp.....

matbe luc and sam bet him last night?? doh doh
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2013, 10:34:13 AM »

excuse me tough guy  did i say he should gun for the lead  i was only questioning his poor results last night   remember he has already won and finished third against older horses already  you know what happens when you ASSUME!!!
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2013, 10:52:38 AM »

if you question his poor result last night then you know nothing about racing,,,nothing about how trainers manage their horses etc...im sure his connections are not one bit concerned abt how that 3 yr old raced last night agst that fantastic field of older horses considerin hes goin for 250 next week...sorry if youre offended but you questioning his result last night is dumb....

after you lost your bet on this horse who was 3 to 1 I think???  maybe you tried to get out by bettin lucs 3 yr old filly agst older horses at 2 to 1??  howd that work out??

wow..you actually called it a horrible effort...and ur cousin rocco called it a horrible drive....and I thought you 2 were 2 of the more knowledgeable guys out here...

drop the subject...u sound foolish
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2013, 10:54:12 AM »

keep digging a hole for yourself it is getting deeper and you can't get out  luc is right
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2013, 11:55:43 AM »

  Horse on the front stole the half Sunshine would have had to come home in 24 to win this race. The connections are not going to kill the horse for this purse when theres more big money down the line. Just a training mile.
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2013, 11:56:36 AM »

I didn't notice the race was a preferred and horse in question was a three year old.  Stone 162 is on the money older classy open horses not a spot for a three year old unless there getting a tighter in and there are few other options.  I think the hardest thing for a good three year old is his or her jump into there four yr old season, with week in week out with older horses.  Where talking class horses, opens, horses that were thought of in high regard at two and three themselves.  
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2013, 12:02:05 PM »

I didn't notice the race was a preferred and horse in question was a three year old.  Stone 162 is on the money older classy open horses not a spot for a three year old unless there getting a tighter in and there are few other options.  I think the hardest thing for a good three year old is his or her jump into there four yr old season, with week in week out with older horses.  Where talking class horses, opens, horses that were thought of in high regard at two and three themselves.  
and needed a race for the $250k next week.
Good luck on yours for the elims and Super Night.  Hope  you, Quaid and rock get and and then get some of the Super Night purses.  thumbs up beer thumbs up
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2013, 12:09:29 PM »

Thanks NJC next week will be fun as elims are held Saturday and Sunday night.
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2013, 12:39:30 PM »

  Horse on the front stole the half Sunshine would have had to come home in 24 to win this race. The connections are not going to kill the horse for this purse when theres more big money down the line. Just a training mile.

Didn't expect anything more from the horse when going in an overnight race against older.
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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2013, 12:42:11 PM »

at least some one knows a little something about racing...apparently sam and luc wanted this 3 yr old to go wingin with these older horses last nite....sunshine is in the simcoe stakes next week...goin for 250000...entered him last nite just to keep him sharp.....

matbe luc and sam bet him last night?? doh doh

Don't you just wish that before the race, the track announcer would say something like this:

"Your attention ladies & gentlemen, in this race, number 7, Sunshine Beach will not be trying.  Once again, Sunshine Beach will be racing but not trying.  Thank you".
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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2013, 01:56:20 PM »

Connections did not want to race him hard against older from the outside.
Basically a training mile. No way he was going to be used hard.
I hope nobody on this forum were foolish enough to bet him.
They are looking ahead to races against 3yo.
Next start will be much more aggressive.
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2013, 02:27:09 PM »

of course none of you attacking me think it is not great for the people who put there money on the horse

again as luc said a poor drive and lackadaisical effort

lots of tickets on the ground
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2013, 03:32:25 PM »

If you expected him to fire out and go down the road in 48 and a piece for half of $34k with the big money races he's got left this year, shame on you...My rule of thumb is (and I'm sure most others feel the same) if you're not sure if he's on go or not, sit the race out.
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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2013, 06:19:21 PM »

Don't you just wish that before the race, the track announcer would say something like this:

"Your attention ladies & gentlemen, in this race, number 7, Sunshine Beach will not be trying.  Once again, Sunshine Beach will be racing but not trying.  Thank you".
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thank you dolfan that is funny it broke the tension here thumbs up thumbs up
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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2013, 08:37:29 PM »

well said ..nut
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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2013, 09:23:25 PM »

Connections did not want to race him hard against older from the outside.
Basically a training mile. No way he was going to be used hard.
I hope nobody on this forum were foolish enough to bet him.
They are looking ahead to races against 3yo.
Next start will be much more aggressive.
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That's great and we all know it happens but it sure isn't a great thing for the betting public. The connections had no interest in trying for that $34,000 purse. If you don't want to race to win, don't enter him. Interesting that Steacy tweeted before the race that "the horse is in to win every time". Yeah, right.
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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2013, 06:24:55 AM »

That's great and we all know it happens but it sure isn't a great thing for the betting public. The connections had no interest in trying for that $34,000 purse. If you don't want to race to win, don't enter him. Interesting that Steacy tweeted before the race that "the horse is in to win every time". Yeah, right.

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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2013, 07:42:28 AM »

That's great and we all know it happens but it sure isn't a great thing for the betting public. The connections had no interest in trying for that $34,000 purse. If you don't want to race to win, don't enter him. Interesting that Steacy tweeted before the race that "the horse is in to win every time". Yeah, right.

This is getting ridiculous...He didn't stiff him, he just didn't gut him to the bettor's satisfaction (at least those that bet on him)...He sat near the back, followed dead cover, and came home in 26 flat...Unfortunately for him every horse in the race came home about the same, so he made up no ground. If they went big on the front and SB picked up all the pieces with a big final quarter, nobody would be saying a thing.

To the naysayers, if you owned the horse, what do you think should have been done differently by the current connections

- left hard and tried to cut it ??
- leave for position, then come first up and brush to the lead ??
- pulled 3 or 4 wide (to nowhere) when his cover stalled ??

Putting stake horses in to get them a prep race and racing them "easy" has been going on forever, and will continue going on until the end of the sport.
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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2013, 07:55:10 AM »

This is getting ridiculous...He didn't stiff him, he just didn't gut him to the bettor's satisfaction (at least those that bet on him)...He sat near the back, followed dead cover, and came home in 26 flat...Unfortunately for him every horse in the race came home about the same, so he made up no ground. If they went big on the front and SB picked up all the pieces with a big final quarter, nobody would be saying a thing.

To the naysayers, if you owned the horse, what do you think should have been done differently by the current connections

- left hard and tried to cut it ??
- leave for position, then come first up and brush to the lead ??
- pulled 3 or 4 wide (to nowhere) when his cover stalled ??

Putting stake horses in to get them a prep race and racing them "easy" has been going on forever, and will continue going on until the end of the sport.

what a double negative.. you contradict yourself  on one hand you say they did not stiff him but on the other hand you say Putting stake horses in to get them a prep race and racing them "easy" has been going on forever, and will continue going on until the end of the sport.
you can't have it both ways screwy screwy?
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