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Author Topic: AP handle down in July compared to 2012  (Read 402 times)
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« on: August 21, 2013, 01:48:59 PM »

Loc. *           2012           2013
Trackside   $1,415,510    $1,244,146
AP track   $11,560,657  $10,676,540

* I think this is what the splits in the report mean.

Can we blame rain for a 2nd straight month? Doesn't look like it was all that bad.
http://www.climatestations.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/chi2013.gif

IRB handle charts:

http://www2.illinois.gov/irb/Documents/HandleReports/july2013.pdf
http://www2.illinois.gov/irb/Documents/HandleReports/July2012Handles.PDF  
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2013, 02:18:47 PM »

I'm interested in seeing how this compares with the rest of the country and how field size compares with last year.  Arlington has had some really, really bad cards this summer
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2013, 03:44:06 PM »

I'm interested in seeing how this compares with the rest of the country and how field size compares with last year.  Arlington has had some really, really bad cards this summer

At last report Del Mar was up in pretty much every category, field size, handle. etc. ... despite the fact that everyone in the world allegedly hates polytrack.
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2013, 09:24:03 PM »

Del mar is an exception for the boutique meet. Poly haters will avoid when it is open 6 months a year.

Arlington made bad moves charging admission for kids, bringing food in, no matter how low they feel the price is.  Crazy admission prices to gamble when 2 nearby casinos are free.

Around this time last year as a weekend warrior, I probably missed two weekends.  This year I've been there twice, opening day and food truck day.  For me I can't take the polygarbage anymore.  Racing is not enjoyable to watch and wager on that surface. The turf races don't offset polygarbage anymore because the turf finish line is not clear and the rails are always out a hundred feet to save the course for million day.
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2013, 10:27:46 PM »

The turf races don't offset polygarbage anymore because the turf finish line is not clear and the rails are always out a hundred feet to save the course for million day.

You know what, the Reno racebook I was at last Thursday showed the AP races, and it was perfectly clear to me where the turf finish line was. They had a little black and white tape (?) marker on the inside rail that showed up great in the slow mo closeups of the finish. So I really don't know what you guys are talking about.

And as for the poly ... I didn't play AP that day, but did play some Del Mar races three different days of this trip, and did just fine.
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2013, 09:51:33 AM »

Tv doesn't show how bad the turf racing is when its out a hundred feet.  There is no room for the horses to move.  Just to save the course for five races.  Cmon.
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2013, 09:59:51 AM »

Why is Del Mar being brought up?  It's not a comparable to Arlington IMO
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2013, 10:38:55 AM »

Why is Del Mar being brought up?  It's not a comparable to Arlington IMO

Your question was simply

I'm interested in seeing how this compares with the rest of the country and how field size compares with last year.  Arlington has had some really, really bad cards this summer

If you want to exclude certain U.S. tracks from "the rest of the country", you should say so.
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2013, 01:33:51 PM »

I don't see how "rest of the country" can turn into solely Del Mar, but then again - I don't have an agenda here
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2013, 01:40:28 PM »

opps wrong thread
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2013, 02:15:03 PM »

I don't see how "rest of the country" can turn into solely Del Mar, but then again - I don't have an agenda here

I don't see how Del Mar can be left out as an example of what's occurring in at least one part of "the rest of the country" by claiming it's somehow "not comparable" to Arlington, but then again - I don't have an agenda here.
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2013, 02:24:07 PM »

So here's a story about national handle for July - slightly up overall.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/79858/us-race-wagering-increases-slightly-in-july

But what that means in comparison to the IRB's AP numbers I reported, which were strictly the wagering that took place at the AP facilities (as opposed to the total on AP races from everywhere) ...
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2013, 02:33:24 PM »

I don't see how Del Mar can be left out as an example of what's occurring in at least one part of "the rest of the country" by claiming it's somehow "not comparable" to Arlington, but then again - I don't have an agenda here.

Del Mar shouldn't be left out as part of an aggregate of like data from the rest of the country
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2013, 02:42:33 PM »

the economy is crap

its has stagnated for 5 years now
its like a boat that's floating about twirling in a circle, around its anchor.

not really going anywhere,
 not moving in any particular direction...
just floating round the anchor without leaders to give it a place to go.
so its sits anchored until it gets direction, or a place to go.

if they pay to gamble, they have to take from the food budget, or the car payment. you really don't expect an increase in gambling in this barely solvent for many state of affairs , do you ?

3 more years, and then - who knows ?
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2013, 03:26:12 PM »

Del Mar shouldn't be left out as part of an aggregate of like data from the rest of the country

You did not originally specify "aggregate". You merely said "the rest of the country". Del Mar is an example of what's happening somewhere else in the country.  Your "aggregate" is made up of individual data points, and Del Mar is one such.

From what I've read, Saratoga's numbers are also "up". And the bloodhorse story says the whole country is "up" for July. So I guess, as part of the aggregate, since we know AP's numbers are down, could we surmise AP must be doing worse than most, and dragging down that aggregate number?

But I don't think there actually is any aggregate number anywhere to compare to what I originally posted, AP's on-track wagering numbers for July, so your question is ultimately safe, and this latest weather-less attempt to divert attention from the raw numbers the IRB reported, duly noted.      
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