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« Reply #50 on: July 29, 2013, 10:10:06 PM »

Project Monzante claimed its first victory today. A horse they had on their watch list, Skippy Due, was purchased from his trainer for $1,000 and is now at a rescue. He is the first horse saved by fundraising efforts in honor of Monzante.

https://www.facebook.com/HorsemensPark/posts/10151488485672493

There were teams organized for a handicapping challenge over the weekend and through next weekend and they have raised $5,000 so far for rescue groups.

There was an idea that may someday become a proposal which could raise millions and that is "breakage should be a nickel or a dime and have that money go to race horse retirement and disabled jockeys".

People and groups are networking and working together for horse retirement and retraining.
I am not sure but isn't breakage a source of income for the tracks?  Maybe it goes into the purse fund?  What I am saying is that it may be hard to pry this somewhat significant amount loose from the tracks.  There really should not be breakage in this day of the automated teller.
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« Reply #51 on: July 29, 2013, 11:05:19 PM »

I am not sure but isn't breakage a source of income for the tracks?  Maybe it goes into the purse fund?  What I am saying is that it may be hard to pry this somewhat significant amount loose from the tracks.  There really should not be breakage in this day of the automated teller.

I know what you are saying, Dan. Here's a definition for breakage: "The money the track retains after the payoffs are rounded off to a nickel / dime on the dollar. An extra little fee for the track."

It's actually part of the payout the bettor should be receiving.
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« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2013, 11:04:16 PM »

All I see is a lot of keyboard warriors complaining about the sport they support. 

To your point: Four failed to make the course tonight at EVD, and one listed on Equibase as euthanized. As far as I can tell, the warriors are sitting this one out.
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« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2013, 11:10:50 PM »

To your point: Four failed to make the course tonight at EVD, and one listed on Equibase as euthanized. As far as I can tell, the warriors are sitting this one out.

I'm sure the buffet at the Evd casino was excellent, however.
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« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2013, 11:29:48 PM »

The warriors have been busy raising money to rescue horses. Their new total is over $7,000.

http://www.danonymousracing.com/final-fundraising-totals-for-the-monzante-memorial-fundraising-challenge/

Also, there was a barn fire at the training facility near Louisiana Downs. 26 horses perished.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/79810/fire-destroys-one-barn-near-louisiana-downs
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« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2013, 12:22:04 AM »

To your point: Four failed to make the course tonight at EVD, and one listed on Equibase as euthanized. As far as I can tell, the warriors are sitting this one out.

The warriors have been busy and have branched out. They've been doing a lot of commenting on Tom LaMarra's article:

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/at-large-tom-lamarra/archive/2013/07/26/the-good-and-the-bad-of-monzante.aspx

There was also a lot of criticism of DRF this week about a horse named Wake At Noon and this goes back to 2010.

"Woodbine Racetrack in Toronto, Canada banned owner Bruno Schickedanz and trainer Tom Marino from the track indefinitely on Friday, July 2, as a result of having to euthanize their horse, 13-year-old Wake At Noon, on Tuesday, June 29, after a workout.

Wake At Noon (profile), the 2002 Canadian Horse of the Year, had been returned to the track for training after failing to get any mares in foal at Schickedanz's Select Stud near Ketteby, Ontario.

http://www.examiner.com/article/owner-trainer-banned-from-woodbine-after-wake-at-noon-incident

The following article appeared in DRF within the last week without mentioning what happened to Wake at Noon or the ban, titled "Schickedanz enjoys success in racing, breeding games"

http://www.drf.com/news/schickedanz-enjoys-success-racing-breeding-games

Although Schickedanz has been reinstated, he was banned for almost 2 years and he's still on probation:

"Wake at Noon, a 13-year-old gelding, was Canadian Horse of the Year in 2002 and had not participated in a race since Nov. 2007.
 
Schickedanz appealed Woodbine's actions to the Ontario Racing Commission in August 2010, but his appeal was denied.
 
Following an Ontario Racing Commission hearing that fall into the Wake At Noon incident, Schickedanz was suspended for 12 months beginning Jan. 1, 2011, with six months of that suspension to be stayed.
 
Schickedanz appealed and a new racing commission ruling issued last Nov. 9 stayed the entire suspension while placing the owner on probation through Oct. 31, 2013.
 
The racing commission never cited Schickedanz for any specific rule violations, but in a statement of facts agreed upon by both parties, the commission held him responsible for the horse's breakdown "as the ultimate admitted decision-maker."

http://www.drf.com/news/woodbine-schickedanz-has-racing-privileges-restored

From what I've seen, part of the criticism of DRF on social media this week was DRF either deleted reader comments from an article on Schickedanz or that no one is allowed to comment on the recently written DRF article.
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« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2013, 08:18:36 AM »

How many owners have been absolved of their responsibility to a horse by having their horse claimed since Monzante broke down?  A few hundred? 

How many older horses have been entered in races at the bottom of the claiming ladder since Monzante broke down?  A few thousand? 

Why haven't the internet warriors thrown a tantrum? 
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« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2013, 08:51:56 AM »

To your point: Four failed to make the course tonight at EVD, and one listed on Equibase as euthanized. As far as I can tell, the warriors are sitting this one out.

I am a big advocate for doing what's best for the animal and I hate seeing this stuff. But in fairness, looking at the charts I see that two of the four you mention (including the euthanized horse) were in a MSW race.
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« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2013, 09:27:33 AM »

How many owners have been absolved of their responsibility to a horse by having their horse claimed since Monzante broke down?  A few hundred? 

How many older horses have been entered in races at the bottom of the claiming ladder since Monzante broke down?  A few thousand? 

Why haven't the internet warriors thrown a tantrum? 

Do you really think change is going to happen overnight? It would be a nice change if you offered some solutions.

Maybe my discussion with Tom LaMarra this week on Twitter may answer some of your questions and, on Twitter, you have to be brief.

He had asked the question:

"Where is the outrage on social media after the breakdowns?"

I replied:

"Different reaction to 1)pushing limits/asking for trouble/preventable and 2)unfortunate accident. Both mourned, 1st enrages. Duh."

He then replied to me:

"OK, you've established I'm an idiot. Bye."
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« Reply #59 on: August 02, 2013, 09:42:17 AM »

I am a big advocate for doing what's best for the animal and I hate seeing this stuff. But in fairness, looking at the charts I see that two of the four you mention (including the euthanized horse) were in a MSW race.

Brivolta, it is horsemen like yourself who have kept me and others involved in the sport because we know the majority of horsemen put their horses first and really care about them. If you noticed, those raising money for horse retirement are handicappers who have taken a positive step for horses. It's not that we hate the sport, it's what is perceived as abuse or abusers of horses that we hate about the sport we love.

How's Camagin and Eddy doing?
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« Reply #60 on: August 02, 2013, 10:23:27 AM »


There was also a lot of criticism of DRF this week about a horse named Wake At Noon and this goes back to 2010.


I am well aware of the Wake At Noon incident. It led a story I wrote a couple years ago.

http://www.drf.com/news/how-old-too-old-racehorse
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« Reply #61 on: August 02, 2013, 10:50:10 AM »

Brivolta, it is horsemen like yourself who have kept me and others involved in the sport because we know the majority of horsemen put their horses first and really care about them. If you noticed, those raising money for horse retirement are handicappers who have taken a positive step for horses. It's not that we hate the sport, it's what is perceived as abuse or abusers of horses that we hate about the sport we love.

How's Camagin and Eddy doing?

I applaud what they are doing. I just wanted to add to Marcus's post because I thought it was worth mentioning that they didn't all fall into the "old decrepit and on the decline" category.

Camagin is doing well. She's had a rough year as far as results go, but is healthy and happy. Eddy got claimed at Hawthorne, but is two for two for his new connections and I'm very happy for him!

We acquired a horse named Right Now Richie a couple months ago and he has been really cool...and he's won his last two races.  He's got a great little personality. We also just claimed a horse a couple weeks ago that we're excited to watch run. I love this stuff!
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« Reply #62 on: August 02, 2013, 11:02:16 AM »

I am well aware of the Wake At Noon incident. It led a story I wrote a couple years ago.

http://www.drf.com/news/how-old-too-old-racehorse

Your article was well written with in-depth analysis. The complaints with DRF this week involved the recent DRF article about Schickedanz which appeared on July 26, 2013 and it was loaded with praise for him. As I mentioned earlier, this article did not mention anything about what had happened to Wake At Noon or Schickedanz's ban/probation. It gives the appearance, in this instance, that DRF will write only part of the story or the part they want everyone to know about. The internet warriors wanted to post comments about it but they were not allowed to do that as it was restricted for comments.

http://www.drf.com/news/schickedanz-enjoys-success-racing-breeding-games

I also have an unrelated question for you. There were a couple of horses this week that won races who had been gelded sometime after their last race but prior to the race they just won. Is this change (some are calling it an equipment change) noted anywhere in the DRF PP's? If not, how would anyone know this? Since I use DRF PP's, I'd like to know where to find the information.
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« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2013, 11:14:37 AM »

I applaud what they are doing. I just wanted to add to Marcus's post because I thought it was worth mentioning that they didn't all fall into the "old decrepit and on the decline" category.

Camagin is doing well. She's had a rough year as far as results go, but is healthy and happy. Eddy got claimed at Hawthorne, but is two for two for his new connections and I'm very happy for him!

We acquired a horse named Right Now Richie a couple months ago and he has been really cool...and he's won his last two races.  He's got a great little personality. We also just claimed a horse a couple weeks ago that we're excited to watch run. I love this stuff!

Sorry to hear you lost Eddy. Your stable is growing and any horse you get will be a lucky horse.

I had also noticed the Evangeline horses were maidens.
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« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2013, 11:59:59 AM »

Do you really think change is going to happen overnight? It would be a nice change if you offered some solutions.

Maybe my discussion with Tom LaMarra this week on Twitter may answer some of your questions and, on Twitter, you have to be brief.

He had asked the question:

"Where is the outrage on social media after the breakdowns?"

I replied:

"Different reaction to 1)pushing limits/asking for trouble/preventable and 2)unfortunate accident. Both mourned, 1st enrages. Duh."

He then replied to me:

"OK, you've established I'm an idiot. Bye."

I'm not the one complaining about an owner's ability to enter a sound horse into a race, I don't have to offer a solution

It would be nice to see you more concerned about all horses and not just graded stakes winners.  Until that happens, I won't believe that you and others are interested in identifying the issues that lead to a situation like Monzante's
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« Reply #65 on: August 02, 2013, 12:56:53 PM »

As long as there is money to be made or saved by mistreating or over-racing horses, it will be a problem.  Get rid of the money or change human nature.  Embarrassing exposure doesn't emotionally move the bad guys.
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« Reply #66 on: August 02, 2013, 02:21:14 PM »

Sorry to hear you lost Eddy. Your stable is growing and any horse you get will be a lucky horse.

I had also noticed the Evangeline horses were maidens.

Thanks, Mary Ann!
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« Reply #67 on: August 02, 2013, 03:03:02 PM »

It would be nice to see you more concerned about all horses and not just graded stakes winners.  Until that happens, I won't believe that you and others are interested in identifying the issues that lead to a situation like Monzante's

Believe what you want. I know, and I've written about it before on this forum, that I've financially supported horse rescues for years and the horses they've helped weren't all graded stakes winners.
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« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2013, 09:22:40 AM »

How many owners have been absolved of their responsibility to a horse by having their horse claimed since Monzante broke down?  A few hundred? 

How many older horses have been entered in races at the bottom of the claiming ladder since Monzante broke down?  A few thousand? 

Why haven't the internet warriors thrown a tantrum? 
What do u do?

Don't mine telling u what I do, I give to a organization that offers Euthenasia .
I saved 11 horses this year by my self didn't ask shit from nobody .
Found them great homes all on my own.  8 were cheap claimers individuals were going to Amish they had no money to feed .
One was a horse I had sold a man so he could live at the race track to have a horse to race.
The old man died and the horse was found wandeing the streets with another horse starving to death. I had been looking for the horse cause I heard the ol man died . Iwas worried what happen to him I found him because of the organization I give to.
Duringall that I still find time to protest against BLM mustangs not having shade and anti slaughter protest.
My point is if every fricking owner in this business stepped it up to help one retired horse in this business a year the great barren wouldn't fall on so few that care so much.
Here a news flash for u turf those that care and step it up do for most any breed and any horse just thought u would like to know that bit of information.
Also the organization I give to saved a very high profile owners horse out of a killer buyer auction the horse had made over 200k they notified the owner he agreed to pay for that horses board and care till they could fined a home for the horses, they never paid one fricking dime on top of that a few months later they have another young horse that wins a big breeders cup race and another big stakes out East.
These r the owners that have that could and should and would that DONT !
The fact is in this business you either have compassion or u don't !
The owners in this greedy interest r the biggest example of either having compassion or not.
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