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Author Topic: Wonderful 1 1/16 races back at Yonkers  (Read 1123 times)
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« on: July 06, 2013, 12:39:04 AM »

This didn't work in the past, why bother .....
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2013, 04:46:01 AM »

it works in FRANCE AND GERMANY WITH 18 HORSES IN A RACE AND CROWDS OVER 20,000 AND LARGE BETS IT WORK HERE BUT WHAT THEY NEED IS THE HARNESS RACING SLOTS THE ARE IN EUROPE
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2013, 06:32:31 AM »

3 wonderful words


The New Meadowlands




Yonkers wants to appear bigger.......Houdini style

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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2013, 07:29:19 AM »

Difficult putting lip stick on a pig, need to get rid of Pena et al
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2013, 07:43:59 AM »

Difficult putting lip stick on a pig, need to get rid of Pena et al



It really has gone in the toilet.......These should be the greatest days of harness racing at Yonkers....WITH ALL THAT BIG PURSE MONEY !!!!   INSTEAD.....they are trashing the place......and not giving the customers anything.......SAD
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2013, 10:25:03 AM »

I'm sure that the Yonkers mgmt argues about this all the time.  They're probably trying to compare their handle on mile vs. mile & steenth.

Sulky, please do not derail more threads.  You have your weekly "Meadowlands is great" thread.  Leave it at that.  I am asking nicely, before calling in the moderators.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2013, 10:27:48 AM »

I'm sure that the Yonkers mgmt argues about this all the time.  They're probably trying to compare their handle on mile vs. mile & steenth.

Sulky, please do not derail more threads.  You have your weekly "Meadowlands is great" thread.  Leave it at that.  I am asking nicely, before calling in the moderators.


I am commenting on other posters remarks.......get a life....

Is it my fault The Meadowlands and Yonkers are 2 harness tracks near each other......and I had an opinion why thet are going back to 1 1/16....    It went over you're head......I understand

lets rush to the hatred button right away ,,,,,


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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2013, 10:51:34 AM »

All Yonkers had to do years ago was to leave the track alone and not move the finish line.
They ruined the racing. After the start, horses are into the first turn immediately, which of course hampers the outside horses, but also IMO hurts inside horses who are rough gaited.
I never understood why they just didn't run an extra distance to make the start more fair, but didn't time that extra distance....wouldn't that be a possible answer? dunno dunno
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2013, 08:43:23 PM »

I never understood why they just didn't run an extra distance to make the start more fair, but didn't time that extra distance....wouldn't that be a possible answer? dunno dunno

That is exactly what they should do & I've been calling for that for years now.

All of the 1/2 mile tracks should use Maywood's configuration, which is the early untimed start, the slanted gate & long stretch.  Perfect example was last night, the rail won one time & pp 2 won twice.  Yeah, the speed horses still have the big advantage but you can make the top from any post with real speed.

Maywood used to be the ultimate 1-2-3 track, now there's no such thing.


It went over you're head......I understand

lets rush to the hatred button right away ,,,,,


ughhhhhhhh

I offered no hatred and I asked nicely but you obviously scored big on reading comprehension when you finally graduated the 4th grade.  Just because YR is within a 1/2 hour of your prestigious track with their C2's on both nights that they race doesn't mean you need to comment.

My opinion is and has always been that mile track racing and The Meadowlands in particular have been a major factor in the sport's decline & that no newcomer can actually get hooked on harness racing as a sport when you cannot see the race up close.
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2013, 08:48:41 PM »

Monticello and Yonkers are the most beautiful half mile tracks.  They do not work and you rarely get prices.  Posts 1-5 have a huge advantage.  I use to have fun at those two tracks.  I stick to the 7/8 and mile tracks.
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2013, 08:40:32 AM »

Monticello and Yonkers are the most beautiful half mile tracks.  They do not work and you rarely get prices.  Posts 1-5 have a huge advantage.  I use to have fun at those two tracks.  I stick to the 7/8 and mile tracks.

I still like Freehold. beer
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2013, 09:58:56 AM »

It truly is a sad situation that Yonkers, with 20, 30, 46 thousand dollar purses, has lineups after the start, and no one pulling till the half, or later. I can understand their reluctance for spending money to undo mistake of moving the finish line-they claim the judges' stand would have to move-but posters who have suggested the Maywood method of starting, are absolutely correct. Problem solved at no additional cost. Will it happen? No.
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2013, 10:18:18 AM »

How about fixing the camera angle ? and the camera in general. It appears the horses are choppy gaited and running slow.
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2013, 01:15:55 PM »

How about fixing the camera angle ? and the camera in general. It appears the horses are choppy gaited and running slow.

The angle is ridiculous.  Even the commentators, Drucker & ?, who watch every race over & over can't even get it right.

And I could never understand the deal with the camera - why horses always look different/choppy.  Is it some kind of stretch mode?
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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2013, 01:49:58 PM »

i gave up watching yonkers when it became a regular occurrence for the race to start at least 15 mins past the original post time
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2013, 01:54:33 PM »

How about fixing the camera angle ? and the camera in general. It appears the horses are choppy gaited and running slow.
What's really funny about the camera angle is years ago when it first started. A "close" finish would happen, and those knowitall type guys would want to bet people on the photos.
Anything that looked like the inside horse won by a head, went to the outside horse by 1/2 length laughing guy laughing guy
What really makes me laugh is when you see people at an OTB, who bet Yonkers EVERY night, and they still can't call the photo angle laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2013, 01:55:36 PM »

i gave up watching yonkers when it became a regular occurrence for the race to start at least 15 mins past the original post time

There's a post time?  clocker
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2013, 01:59:53 PM »

Fact is...the place is a $hit-hole....and they had the opportunity to make it anything they wanted....and did nothing. The start/finish line is beyond absurd, the paddock is beyond that bad, and the people there are awful. I doubt any horsemen have anything good to say about the place, except the purses. The place just sucks. Maywood's start was always correct, turn the line loose and let the first horse to cross the beam start the clock. Way to easy, obviously. Not just that I hate the place and the people who work there, but seriously, there's little redeeming about the place besides the purse account.
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2013, 02:01:13 PM »

i gave up watching yonkers when it became a regular occurrence for the race to start at least 15 mins past the original post time
Niatross, I agree with you...but this would mean you gave up on every track, because they all do it now....only place where post time means post time is Mohawk.
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2013, 02:02:32 PM »

i gave up watching yonkers when it became a regular occurrence for the race to start at least 15 mins past the original post time

Not just Yonkers. A majority of the tracks have that long wait.
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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2013, 02:04:34 PM »

Fact is...the place is a $hit-hole....and they had the opportunity to make it anything they wanted....and did nothing. The start/finish line is beyond absurd, the paddock is beyond that bad, and the people there are awful. I doubt any horsemen have anything good to say about the place, except the purses. The place just sucks. Maywood's start was always correct, turn the line loose and let the first horse to cross the beam start the clock. Way to easy, obviously. Not just that I hate the place and the people who work there, but seriously, there's little redeeming about the place besides the purse account.
Mel, I went to Yonkers every night and I live an hour away. When they changed the track, I rarely have bet it, occasionally I do...but rarely.
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2013, 03:57:17 PM »

Mel, I went to Yonkers every night and I live an hour away. When they changed the track, I rarely have bet it, occasionally I do...but rarely.

Once upon a time YR was the best place to watch races close up.  Last time I was there in 2005 it was the parking lot!  I guess that's the casino now.
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2013, 06:49:30 PM »

The 1 1/16 mile races have always been ridiculous especially in relation to relative times at other tracks. Unfortunately, Yonkers racing was doomed by the management. Before the slots came in they swore that a 5/8 mile oval was imminent because it allowed more horses to compete
and created far more open contests. Shortly after the bill was passed Galtiero held a meeting, and when asked, replied that the purse increase will enable trainers to teach their horses to get around a tighter turn. With reasoning like that, and the presence of race secretary for life Steve Starr, one can understand how the situation is doomed!
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2013, 06:21:56 AM »

That is exactly what they should do & I've been calling for that for years now.

All of the 1/2 mile tracks should use Maywood's configuration, which is the early untimed start, the slanted gate & long stretch.  Perfect example was last night, the rail won one time & pp 2 won twice.  Yeah, the speed horses still have the big advantage but you can make the top from any post with real speed.

Maywood used to be the ultimate 1-2-3 track, now there's no such thing.



I offered no hatred and I asked nicely but you obviously scored big on reading comprehension when you finally graduated the 4th grade.  Just because YR is within a 1/2 hour of your prestigious track with their C2's on both nights that they race doesn't mean you need to comment.

My opinion is and has always been that mile track racing and The Meadowlands in particular have been a major factor in the sport's decline & that no newcomer can actually get hooked on harness racing as a sport when you cannot see the race up close.

Did the Meadowlands make harness racing decline in the 80's?
It sure didn't look like a decline each night I walked in there for 20 years.
The only tracks that handle anything today are the bigger tracks.
Having the Breeders Crown at Pocono is pretty laughable.
They will have a bunch of races for hundreds of thousands each or more, and have a hard time getting the handle over $1 million.
It's a casino and that's it. And, I really like Pocono Downs. Always did, and I started going there in the early 80's when there were 200 people there each night.
Oh wait, that's about how many are there for the live racing now.
And I'm sure everyone misses the old days of YR and MR when they were going for $1500 (MR) and they lined up 1-2-3 and  came home 1-2-3. God that was great.
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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2013, 11:33:28 AM »

Not just Yonkers. A majority of the tracks have that long wait.
Niatross, I agree with you...but this would mean you gave up on every track, because they all do it now....only place where post time means post time is Mohawk.

i have given up on a lot of tracks over the years.i was never a big fan of 1/2 mile racing from the start and " extended " post times pushed me over the edge. the meds used to be on the money but now forget it.
if they are to be delayed put something on the screen to entertain the simo crowd.i really have no desire to watch a bunch of grown ups digging in a sandbox on a big racing night trying to win some jewelry
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