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Author Topic: Devilfish opens at a deep 1/9  (Read 4148 times)
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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2006, 11:55:16 AM »

Take a good look at this horse.
He may well be the best Cam's Card Shark you will ever see.
Not bad for a sire that the big farms passed on and shoveled off to Ohio.
At least he wasn't condemned and sent to Illinois.


Cam's Card Shark stands in NJ and has for his entire stud career. You're confusing him with his brother Cam's Magic Trick.

At least you didn't confuse him with his other full brother Cam's Trickster, whom I and my partners owned, and who stood in New Zealand. Cheesy
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« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2006, 11:57:05 AM »

Why would you supplement him?  Corzine may still have the BigM closed and there could be no race. 

 I am sure all stakes payments will be refunded if the race were cancelled.
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« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2006, 12:01:38 PM »

I am sure all stakes payments will be refunded if the race were cancelled.

If this is the thanks that the state of New Jersey gives the racing industry for bringing their most quality animals to their state to race, then the racing industry might want to reconsider where they choose to put on the big races.  Schedules CANNOT be f***ed with like this.

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« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2006, 12:09:17 PM »

If this is the thanks that the state of New Jersey gives the racing industry for bringing their most quality animals to their state to race, then the racing industry might want to reconsider where they choose to put on the big races.  Schedules CANNOT be f***ed with like this.



Good, I hope we can move the World Trotting Derby out of Illinois (if the race even still exists). I'm tired of seeing it cancelled because that track is unusable in the rain. :-)

By the way, the vast majority of the stakes raced at the Meadowlands are owned by the Meadowlands, NJ SBOA or NJ Sire  Stakes, so they can't be moved. The big exceptions are the Breeders Crown and Hambletonian.
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« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2006, 12:11:57 PM »

the WTD..has become a lot like WMD ..is the last few years..hard to find..and just a ruse to cover up other failures..in illinois' case..losing the hambo in the first place
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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2006, 12:12:38 PM »

Good, I hope we can move the World Trotting Derby out of Illinois (if the race even still exists). I'm tired of seeing it cancelled because that track is unusable in the rain. :-)

By the way, the vast majority of the stakes raced at the Meadowlands are owned by the Meadowlands, NJ SBOA or NJ Sire  Stakes, so they can't be moved. The big exceptions are the Breeders Crown and Hambletonian.

Horsemen should consider moving the BC and the Hambo then.  New Jersey and this azzwipe Corzine should be held accountable.

There is little reason to keep feeding a hand that bites you.
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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2006, 12:17:12 PM »

Horsemen should consider moving the BC and the Hambo then.  New Jersey and this azzwipe Corzine should be held accountable.

There is little reason to keep feeding a hand that bites you.

Somehow I think this "little" problem (which has happened once in the 30 years the Meadowlands has been open) will be resolved long before its time to race the Hambletonian or Breeders Crown.

Now everyone calm down and bet Mohawk tonight.  Cheesy
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« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2006, 09:41:56 AM »

Somehow I think this "little" problem (which has happened once in the 30 years the Meadowlands has been open) will be resolved long before its time to race the Hambletonian or Breeders Crown.

Yeah, the same amount of times the WTD has been cancelled due to rain.
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« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2006, 09:49:30 AM »

Horsemen should consider moving the BC and the Hambo then.  New Jersey and this azzwipe Corzine should be held accountable.

There is little reason to keep feeding a hand that bites you.

It would be the other way!!!!! New Jersey is the hand that feeds the whole harness racing industry at the highest levels. No other state has the same commitment to top quality harness racing. That includes all the gift casino money to purses. Moving races out of spite would be the ultimate act of "biting the hand".
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« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2006, 09:50:19 AM »

its now noon eastern time...is he in or out?
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« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2006, 10:46:38 AM »

It would be the other way!!!!! New Jersey is the hand that feeds the whole harness racing industry at the highest levels. No other state has the same commitment to top quality harness racing. That includes all the gift casino money to purses. Moving races out of spite would be the ultimate act of "biting the hand".

You're delusional.  Wherever our industry runs it's best horses will be the place that grossses.  New Jersey is lucky to have us.  Did you ever hear the phrase "content is king"?  It applys to this industry also.  Why do you think the Meadowlands wants the big races?  Make this Corzine azzwipe suffer the consequences of his actions and the state of New Jersey will NEVER do it to us again.  Move the Hambletonian, the Oaks and the Breeders Crown.  That's the only leverage horsemen have with this guy.
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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2006, 11:01:35 AM »

You're delusional.  Wherever our industry runs it's best horses will be the place that grossses.  New Jersey is lucky to have us.  Did you ever hear the phrase "content is king"?  It applys to this industry also.  Why do you think the Meadowlands wants the big races?  Make this Corzine azzwipe suffer the consequences of his actions and the state of New Jersey will NEVER do it to us again.  Move the Hambletonian, the Oaks and the Breeders Crown.  That's the only leverage horsemen have with this guy.

You're who's delusional. The whole harness racing industry is propped up by subsidies from states and other forms of gambling. That includes a large annual gift from the state of New Jersey via its casinos. Harness racing needs subsidies a lot worse than New Jersey needs a couple races. "Gross" on races alone doesn't pay the bills these days.
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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2006, 11:15:23 AM »

You're who's delusional. The whole harness racing industry is propped up by subsidies from states and other forms of gambling. That includes a large annual gift from the state of New Jersey via its casinos. Harness racing needs subsidies a lot worse than New Jersey needs a couple races. "Gross" on races alone doesn't pay the bills these days.

No place in business for people that let themselves get run over, like you evidently want to be.  Keep coddling people who screw you.  You'll get what you deserve.
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« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2006, 11:26:11 AM »

No place in business for people that let themselves get run over, like you evidently want to be.  Keep coddling people who screw you.  You'll get what you deserve.

No place for idiots either. Anyone who would take the chance of losing millions in subsidies to take on a governor in a brainless fight over a few lost days of racing falls in that category.

Lucky for everyone none of your ideas for taking big races away from New Jersey will be seriously considered. Not until some other track gives bigger subsidies anyway.
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« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2006, 11:41:53 AM »

No place in business for people that let themselves get run over, like you evidently want to be.  Keep coddling people who screw you.  You'll get what you deserve.

You are completely correct...if you have leverage.  Harness racing, unfortunately, does not.

I wouldn't be surprised if the governor didn't even know that he prevented the Big M from racing Saturday night...

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« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2006, 12:13:39 PM »

You are completely correct...if you have leverage.  Harness racing, unfortunately, does not.

I wouldn't be surprised if the governor didn't even know that he prevented the Big M from racing Saturday night...

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I would argue that we have lots of leverage.  The NJSEA operates under the creedo to expand tourism and commerce in New Jersey.  Many from out of the area attend the Meadowlands races.  These people do not just go to the track and then back to Ohio, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, etc.  they book hotel rooms, eat in restaurants, hire taxi's, shop at New Jersey malls and create a lot of commerce and hence taxation in the state of New Jersey.  Unlike another poster here, I realize how much horsemen and followers of our business contribute to the economies of cities who host races.  New Jersey is not subsidizing racing for nothing.  Simply ask the town fathers of Delaware Ohio how much commerce can be done in literally hundreds of businesses when 30,000, 40,000, 50,000 horse fanatics roll into town.  We have LEVERAGE.
We, unfortunately, do not use it or see it.


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« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2006, 12:29:33 PM »

I would argue that we have lots of leverage.  The NJSEA operates under the creedo to expand tourism and commerce in New Jersey.  Many from out of the area attend the Meadowlands races.  These people do not just go to the track and then back to Ohio, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, etc.  they book hotel rooms, eat in restaurants, hire taxi's, shop at New Jersey malls and create a lot of commerce and hence taxation in the state of New Jersey.  Unlike another poster here, I realize how much horsemen and followers of our business contribute to the economies of cities who host races.  New Jersey is not subsidizing racing for nothing.  Simply ask the town fathers of Delaware Ohio how much commerce can be done in literally hundreds of businesses when 30,000, 40,000, 50,000 horse fanatics roll into town.  We have LEVERAGE.
We, unfortunately, do not use it or see it.


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Delaware, OH is different.  Harness racing is the main show there...maybe the only show!  This isn't the case in NJ.

I think it's important to MAKE ourselves some leverage by making the sport more known and popular.  There's nothing to be ashamed of, there's just a ton of work to be done.

The economic impact of the Big M is probably .1% of the NJ economy -- if even that much.

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« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2006, 12:45:38 PM »

Delaware, OH is different.  Harness racing is the main show there...maybe the only show!  This isn't the case in NJ.

I think it's important to MAKE ourselves some leverage by making the sport more known and popular.  There's nothing to be ashamed of, there's just a ton of work to be done.

The economic impact of the Big M is probably .1% of the NJ economy -- if even that much.

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EW

I do not have the time to check this upcoming statement, but I would wager it's true.  In cities that have a NFL team and also have a Harness track, that the Harness track does more patrons through the gate each year.  You can argue that we have more dates, etc. but the NFL stadium is still there 365 days per year and it has costs to cover all those days.  Many municipalities support sports with tax dollars.  Many even build the arena that the sport is played in.  Very few though .... actually NONE .... own the franchise or construct the league schedules.  IMO, the NJSEA and the state of New Jersey benefit much more from their association with us than we do from that same association.  We have leverage.  We also have no one to push for it.

If only we would use our leverage.  We would be so much stronger for it.

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« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2006, 01:59:38 PM »

I do not have the time to check this upcoming statement, but I would wager it's true.  In cities that have a NFL team and also have a Harness track, that the Harness track does more patrons through the gate each year.  You can argue that we have more dates, etc. but the NFL stadium is still there 365 days per year and it has costs to cover all those days.  Many municipalities support sports with tax dollars.  Many even build the arena that the sport is played in.  Very few though .... actually NONE .... own the franchise or construct the league schedules.  IMO, the NJSEA and the state of New Jersey benefit much more from their association with us than we do from that same association.  We have leverage.  We also have no one to push for it.

If only we would use our leverage.  We would be so much stronger for it.

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I'm sure it's true in some cities.  But how many DIFFERENT people actually come to the track?

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« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2006, 05:20:45 PM »

I'm sure it's true in some cities.  But how many DIFFERENT people actually come to the track?

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EW:

The people who come to the track are definitely "different" . Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2006, 05:25:13 PM »

Waxman told me the will supplement to the M pace.
He is for real

Heede

What happened Heede? Is your boy busted? Couldn't he sell some scrap metal that he doesn't own to get the hundred grand?
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« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2006, 05:30:33 PM »

What happened Heede? Is your boy busted? Couldn't he sell some scrap metal that he doesn't own to get the hundred grand?

Another case of "Heede Knows."  Grin

We're also still waiting for Ledford to resume driving.  Grin
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« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2006, 08:30:24 PM »

YEAH HEEDE KNOWS .HE KNOWS NOTHING!
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« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2006, 08:33:21 PM »

The only thing heede knows about is how to use a date rape drug on college girls and violate them.  Oh yeah he knows how to snort coke and then grab drivers like ryan anderson and threaten them when he wins a pinske memorioal race.  losser = heede
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« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2006, 08:36:16 PM »

HE KNOW'S HOW TO KISS ANDY +ERV'S ASS REAL GOOD.
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