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« Reply #100 on: May 19, 2013, 07:16:25 PM »

Hey mick, fill me up, my glass half empty
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« Reply #101 on: May 19, 2013, 07:30:57 PM »

I wonder if the jocks, knowing that track was very very slow, rode a cautious race because of it.
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« Reply #102 on: May 19, 2013, 07:48:10 PM »

I wonder if the jocks, knowing that track was very very slow, rode a cautious race because of it.
As I read the results, the track started fast in the first race and it was still fast for the Preakness.   I'm not saying tracks can't be slow but either that is a result of inclement weather or an inherent bias in the track surface that makes running faster more difficult.  Just because a track runs slower doesn't mean there is a bias against speed.

Zee Bros and Bobcay Jim ran one -two from the start until the end of their race.  Redwood kitten, Skyring and Pianist won on the lead.  Summer Applause won running second early to a long shot speed horse.    Why would a jockey or trainer be afraid to go for the lead?   I think it was a result of the Kentucky Derby results.   No one wanted to see their horse run up the track a second time and Stevens and Johnny Velazquez were smart enough to figure that out.
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« Reply #103 on: May 19, 2013, 07:54:50 PM »

some of those winners you listed were turf races
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« Reply #104 on: May 19, 2013, 07:59:21 PM »

         I know the Preakness was run hours later after the 2nd race was run, but here are the fractions for a field of slow ( except for the chalk) Maryland bred starter 7500 and the Preakness.

2nd race

23.48
48.65
113.41
139.63

Preakness

23.94
48.60
113.26
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« Reply #105 on: May 19, 2013, 08:13:46 PM »

Huh?  The horse totally failed to fire.  What was the jock supposed to do--hop off and carry him?


Jock panicked when he was locked on the rail early in the race -- came out strong then ran into a wall.  Checked back, then had no room when it was time to go.  Started gaining when it was too far to come, but ran in to another block anyway.   Was moving the best at the wire.
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« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2013, 04:50:35 PM »

What's your source on that? The Baltimore Sun sure reports different.

1. You could still ship in the morning of the Preakness, if you wanted. Of course, it was right to the detention barn once papers were checked and the horse was properly identified, etc.

The 72-hour rule was for any horse already on the grounds, but IMO, was pretty easily thwarted based on the above. In other words, bullshit.

2. Per the folks at Thoro-Graph, the Maryland Jockey Club declined to use the so-called "supertesting" protocol used at the last couple of BC's, and this year's Kentucky Derby.

If anybody else is puzzled by these deviations thumbs down from what ought to be SOP on the biggest racing days of the year*, I'm right there with you.



* I know, I know: every race, every day, everywhere. Two more comments: 1) Walk, then run. 2) Who is paying for it? You know damn well they will just increase takeout to pay for it...35% scrape, anyone?  thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down
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« Reply #107 on: May 20, 2013, 07:22:45 PM »

some of those winners you listed were turf races
Right you are i screwed up and forgot to check dirt/turf. Still I wouldn't say that there was a severe bias against front runners that scared off the trainers as much as it was the Derby finish. No one wants to make the same mistake twice and seasoned jocks understand that.  They take a risk and it pays off some of the time, when they win  they are heroes, when they lose, they are over the hill.
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« Reply #108 on: May 20, 2013, 11:47:40 PM »

1. You could still ship in the morning of the Preakness, if you wanted. Of course, it was right to the detention barn once papers were checked and the horse was properly identified, etc.

The 72-hour rule was for any horse already on the grounds, but IMO, was pretty easily thwarted based on the above. In other words, bullshit.

No Preakness contender shipped in on race day. Moot point.

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2. Per the folks at Thoro-Graph, the Maryland Jockey Club declined to use the so-called "supertesting" protocol used at the last couple of BC's, and this year's Kentucky Derby.

Offset by the additional pre-race testing and surveillance done in the barns?

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If anybody else is puzzled by these deviations thumbs down from what ought to be SOP on the biggest racing days of the year*, I'm right there with you.

It seems they have their own OP, as outlined in the Sun articles. I'm all for heightened security and testing pre-race, myself, instead of relying solely on the post-race supertest which, to my knowledge, hasn't turned up anything anywhere so far.

Interestingly enough, three horses were given "adjunct bleeder" treatments before the Preakness, which isn't allowed in most other places. They all stunk.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/78324/still-no-uniform-medication-in-triple-crown
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« Reply #109 on: May 21, 2013, 08:26:14 AM »

Racing needs a single national governing body.  Not only would that allow for tighter and more uniform medication regulation, it would improve marketing, allocation of racing dates, policies for for OTB and ADW, and pretty much everything else about the sport.
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« Reply #110 on: May 21, 2013, 10:14:14 AM »

Racing needs a single national governing body.  Not only would that allow for tighter and more uniform medication regulation, it would improve marketing, allocation of racing dates, policies for for OTB and ADW, and pretty much everything else about the sport.

All true.  A Commissioner's Office is definitely needed.
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