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Author Topic: You all should be made aware of this! Especially S. Woodall and Terry.  (Read 628 times)
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« on: April 18, 2013, 11:52:48 PM »

Huge trouble on the Chicago thoroughbred side.  The thing that Duchossois or one of his henchman wrote that is amazing is:

"Every piece of legislation that was written to take recapture out of the law had the full support of Arlington, and this was long before Mr. Campbell became president of the ITHA. The horsemen developed this idea when wagering on out-of-state races was authorized in 1995." (Arlington Park Homepage - today)

What am I missing?   Recapture was the horsemen's idea???  So, Jim Reynolds thought of recapture?   Or was it a T Bred guy?   Or, is that statement complete and total B. S.?
And, if Arlington is so supportive of eliminating recapture, why do they continue to take it???

I hear that the Arlington meet won't start on time and that the KY. Derby won't be bettable in Illinois.  I hope and expect Dave McCaffrey and the IHHA will stand with their TBred brothers in this labor problem between the TBred Assoc. and Arlington.
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2013, 04:27:24 AM »

I am now using "knowitall" instead of my actual name because of "Recapture" and my posts here about Jim Reynolds' involvement.

Dan Poprawski chronicled every action in Springfield in the mid 90's in his Midwest Harness Horse magazine.

I was an owner and just bought a mare to bred back then. Knew all the backstretch accounts about how this went down.

One word of warning.

If you blame Jim Reynolds for selling out the harness horsemen (as you should) Janine will do a hatchet job on your posts.

She chopped mine apart and left Mr. Reynolds' posts untouched. This was about 10 years ago.

So I tried to delete all my posts and threads one at a time late one night and got caught then locked out.

So I had to choose a new screen name to post again.

"Recapture" has single handily brought Illinois Horse racing to it's knees.

The cheating is and was a minor cancer compared to "Recapture".
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2013, 06:59:44 AM »

Huge trouble on the Chicago thoroughbred side.  The thing that Duchossois or one of his henchman wrote that is amazing is:

"Every piece of legislation that was written to take recapture out of the law had the full support of Arlington, and this was long before Mr. Campbell became president of the ITHA. The horsemen developed this idea when wagering on out-of-state races was authorized in 1995." (Arlington Park Homepage - today)

What am I missing?   Recapture was the horsemen's idea???  So, Jim Reynolds thought of recapture?   Or was it a T Bred guy?   Or, is that statement complete and total B. S.?
And, if Arlington is so supportive of eliminating recapture, why do they continue to take it???

I hear that the Arlington meet won't start on time and that the KY. Derby won't be bettable in Illinois.  I hope and expect Dave McCaffrey and the IHHA will stand with their TBred brothers in this labor problem between the TBred Assoc. and Arlington.

According to many people, the original idea for recapture came from Ed Duffy at Sportsman's.

At the time, I remember the E.D. of the ITHA saying they were dead set against the idea, and the E.D. who followed him has claimed this was an idea that was sprung on them at the last minute, with Edgar saying they had to accept it.

This is the first I have ever heard this was a horseman idea.
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2013, 07:14:29 AM »

If Arlington dislikes recapture so much and support laws to get rid of it, why do they continue to take it?   Actions speak louder than any statements.  If Dick Duchossois really wants to prove how much he's against recapture, it seems to me that he shouldn't continue taking it.
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2013, 07:41:09 AM »

If Arlington dislikes recapture so much and support laws to get rid of it, why do they continue to take it?   Actions speak louder than any statements.  If Dick Duchossois really wants to prove how much he's against recapture, it seems to me that he shouldn't continue taking it.

And should not have been the very first to take it.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2013, 07:46:00 AM »

So I tried to delete all my posts and threads one at a time late one night and got caught then locked out.

So I had to choose a new screen name to post again.

You deleted your user name. How can you do that if you were locked out?

You deleted your user name and went to the poop site and swore you would never return.
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2013, 08:43:55 AM »

every one bashes *** yet everybody reads it. hows jim reynolds farm down in watseka? how much did edgar and the rest of them pay him for convincing the horseman to throw away LOTS Of money for it. ducchois is the nicest guy in racing, PERIOD guys like langley and the johnsons should ask him to be there mentor
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2013, 11:57:28 AM »

RLD, will do anything to kill harness racing.  When youbet, was bought out by TwinSpires, the deal for money bet after 6:00pm was suppose to go to harness purses well that didn't happen, currently in court.  As far as recapture, Jim was involved with others, including Gov. Edgar who in his next term was to terminate recapture.  Well Mr. Edgar, didn't run for his next term, and yes RLD was the first to take recapture.  The horseman mistake was getting behind who ran against George Ryan.  When Ryan, was elect recapture came up, Ryan didn't understand any of it, and told the horseman to pound sand as they supported someone else.  Illinois, still flush with cash paid the horseman's recapture in 1999, from there downhill.  Recapture no prize in this industry but trying to figure how Steve, figures it was the single worse thing in racing.  Steve tell us how much is paid out each year in recapture for the harness?  Will let you know if your close.  While recapture, drugs, stiffing drives, oo conspiracy, among others things, the BIGGEST FAILURE OF THIS SPORT IS LEADERSHIP.  The HARNESS OWNERS can care LESS about horseman and the product.  It is there FAILURE and HORSEMAN to promote a sport and lead it into a bigger entertainment time in history.  From hearing how packed Sportsman Park was on a weekend night in the 80's, Track owners should have went beyond to improve their sport when casino's came on early 1990's.  Big deal recapture, yes money taken away, a improve product and bigger handle could have offset.   
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2013, 12:18:29 PM »

Forgetting a point that for those first few years I believe the State of Illinois reimburse the horseman purse after paying out to the tracks.  Again my point, yes recapture sucks but once the casino's were in full force, and racing turned the corner into 2000, the product continued to slid, the gaming dollar was being diced up like nothing seen before, and handle at the racetracks dwindled.  BIG EGO'S in racing did nothing to improve their sport, bottom line.  Recapture is just a excuse.  If your a industry, pave the way to a better product.  Any industry in direct competition would.  Business 101.
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2013, 03:49:25 PM »

The whole deal with recapture was about maintaining betting levels pre 94'. Well, how does ANY educated person think the live handle wasnt going to dip when you suddenly had most every track in the country to bet also?. If there is only 1 betting outlet, then there are a hundred, how would the live handle NOT drop? Still mystifying.
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2013, 02:51:00 AM »

You deleted your user name. How can you do that if you were locked out?

You deleted your user name and went to the poop site and swore you would never return.


Deleted my user name? doh

Where did I say that ***? doh

My name/old screen name now has GUEST underneath it.

Plus I use to have under my name "Recapture, The Jim Reynolds Legacy" and you don't see that anymore either.

Most people read the quote before they highlight it then comment on it, except YOU! doh

Why do you act like a scorned wife who puts words in somebody else's mouth then *** about comments that exist only in her own head?

Feel free to gather your sockpuppets and search for hidden messages in my posts when they are typed backwards.

The rest of us will judge a members comments based on what they ACTUALLY SAID! doh


I could not log in under my real name after trying to delete my posts. Most people call that being locked out.

I wasn't locked out from posting using a different screen name.

Oh, wait a minute... thats what I already said! trophy

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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2013, 06:33:07 AM »


Deleted my user name? doh

Where did I say that ***? doh

You didn't. I did. You deleted it.

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My name/old screen name now has GUEST underneath it.

Right. That's the telltale sign that someone deleted their account.

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Plus I use to have under my name "Recapture, The Jim Reynolds Legacy" and you don't see that anymore either.

No, we don't, because you deleted your account. That includes all account related settings like signature etc. All that remains in the database are the posts themselves that still have your username on them, now listed as "guest" because all your account related info like sigs, post counts, etc. has been deleted.

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Why do you act like a scorned wife

Why are you lying to us about deleting your account? Everyone who has been on the forum for any length of time knows exactly what a "guest" account means. You deleted your account. What else do you lie to us about, and have you lied to us about?
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