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« on: April 18, 2013, 04:24:20 PM »

Per the overnight for 4/26:  John Wainwright has resigned as HBPA President.  New president is Jerry Hammond.
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2013, 08:32:45 AM »

If the President was forced to step down you would think there would be some kind of announcement.  Its important to get accurate information out to the horseman....
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2013, 09:21:41 AM »


What were the results from the General Nomination meeting on the 17th?
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2013, 04:18:15 PM »

What were the results from the General Nomination meeting on the 17th?

Per the overnight for 4/26:  John Wainwright has resigned as HBPA President.  New president is Jerry Hammond.
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2013, 04:24:44 PM »

If the President was forced to step down you would think there would be some kind of announcement.  Its important to get accurate information out to the horseman....
Per the overnight for 4/26:  John Wainwright has resigned as HBPA President.  New president is Jerry Hammond.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2013, 07:04:38 PM »

I am not running for any position this time around, as I want to train and when I try to help, strange things happen.

However, I heard from 4 people in the know (yesterday) that a major change of leadership has occurred.  Out of respect, I did not comment further for 24 hours.  At this point, somebody needs to publicly comment.

What's the rules at the IL HBPA? Does the E.D. serve at the pleasure of the President, or the board?
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2013, 07:44:59 PM »

I believe the E.D. serves at the pleasure of the board of directors. The leadership was changed but will wait to hear the official change on the HBPA website instead of discussing it here. 
Lots of nominations for the BOD but have to wait on eligibility requirements to be met on each nominee before anyone can be placed on the ballot.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2013, 03:58:38 PM »

Per the overnight for 4/26:  John Wainwright has resigned as HBPA President.  New president is Jerry Hammond.
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2013, 04:49:32 PM »

LOL I don't see any real use for the by laws then if the board doesn't have to follow them. Kinda makes them useless doesn't it?
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2013, 05:23:58 PM »



So Dano does that mean that the other nominees who were not eligible are also able to run for President in the upcoming election?
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2013, 05:33:31 PM »

So Dano does that mean that the other nominees who were not eligible are also able to run for President in the upcoming election?

Per the overnight for 4/26:  John Wainwright has resigned as HBPA President.  New president is Jerry Hammond.
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2013, 10:00:22 PM »

 
 Current Officials changing Rules so they can continue to be The Officials. 

 Current Officials violating the Rules so they change the Rules so they can remain The Officials.

 Current Officials cancel  an  Election , in order to assure that they remain The Officials.
 
 Maybe in a  Third World Dictatorship , but this is the USA !

 Gotta be some laws out there.

 This can't be right.

 
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2013, 07:34:14 AM »

Which group is this? The one that represents Fairmount?
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2013, 10:34:42 AM »

yes, they represent Fairmount Park. 

I wanted to check out the by-laws so I went to the HBPA site and found the by-laws page was down...
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2013, 11:41:13 AM »

This thread says "Changes in the ILHBPA Leadership", except that there have been no changes.  There has only been rumors and discussions on rules.  Wait until something is announced before putting up a thread like this.
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2013, 12:35:26 PM »

I'm deleting my posts because I have been warned not to speak out.  

I love Fairmount Park.  It is my hope and belief that I will feel that way about my horsemen's association in the very near future.  
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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2013, 02:31:37 AM »

 
 "warned" probably means "threatened"  - What a sad situation - Free Speech  Chilled , Free Elections Thwarted , Free Ride for the " FP Cartel"

  They must be following the Louisiana Model for HBPA Management -  The path to prison ?

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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2013, 06:54:51 AM »

Meeting held Wed. April 17, members found out their president was not and has not been eligible to hold office.  Wainwright supposedly resigns the next day, the by-laws are taken down from the website so no one can see what they actually say, a letter was delivered to the secretary calling for her resignation because she was responsible for verifying nominees for office and obviously did not do her job, and NOT ONE WORD has come from the HBPA office.  You can't say this is all made up - there was a nomination meeting, members were there.  The current administration needs to go - start over with new leadership. Why does the Executive Director's facebook page - say former executive director hbpa? 
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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2013, 08:55:23 AM »

 
  www.fbi.gov under "labor racketeering"  says in part : 

 " Labor Racketeers attempt to control ....... by rigging elections."

 " Labor racketeering is the domination, manipulation, and control of a labor movement in order to affect related business and industries.  It can lead to the denial of workers' rights and inflicts an economic loss on the workers , business, industry, insurer, or consumer. "

 Fodder for multiple analogies, perhaps ?

 

 
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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2013, 09:05:56 AM »


  www.fbi.gov under "labor racketeering"  says in part : 

 " Labor Racketeers attempt to control ....... by rigging elections."

 " Labor racketeering is the domination, manipulation, and control of a labor movement in order to affect related business and industries.  It can lead to the denial of workers' rights and inflicts an economic loss on the workers , business, industry, insurer, or consumer. "

 Fodder for multiple analogies, perhaps ?


You guys have been going on about this for at least three years now. How about delivering on your accusations, for a change?
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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2013, 01:48:35 PM »

Whatever the case, let us hope that there is enough change with this election that guys like me do not have to worry about expressing opinions about an organization which is chartered to serve us---not the other way around.  Enough is enough. 
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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2013, 02:33:41 PM »

You guys have been going on about this for at least three years now. How about delivering on your accusations, for a change?

I am staying out of all that.  But there were 2 people who had the opportunity to be president three years ago, and one was ineligible the entire time. There are levels of responsibility in any organization.  Those responsible for this blunder either acted in a negligent or intentional manner.  It isn't just an accident that happens.  Whoever else was involved also needs to step down and withdraw from the election.  It is the only respectful and just thing to do.  I hope this thing does not go to court, because it would be ugly.

I don't know if the other candidate for president wants the position, but he deserves to be seated immediately.  Any other action fails to right the wrong.

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« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2013, 02:46:57 PM »

If the DQ situation was so obvious, you would think some bright boy or girl would have noticed before three years had passed. Any ILHPBA member who failed to notice before now shares equally in the guilt and deserves to be punished. I think you were running for something 3 years ago, were you not? Why did you not notice this problem?
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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2013, 05:45:43 PM »

 
 Good Luck Dano - Don't take the "Eristic" bait being tossed out on here - Plato is on your side.

 "Eristic is arguing for the sake of conflict as opposed to the seeking of conflict resolution."

 
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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2013, 05:55:39 PM »

Who is operating the HBPA office now?
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« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2013, 07:23:11 PM »


 Good Luck Dano - Don't take the "Eristic" bait being tossed out on here - Plato is on your side.

 "Eristic is arguing for the sake of conflict as opposed to the seeking of conflict resolution."


Keep right on believing it.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2013, 10:07:03 AM »

Jerry Hammond has temporarily taken over the position of president of the HBPA.  John Wainright has resigned.  The Executive Director has changed his status on FB to "Former ED of ILHBPA.  And as far as "catching" this earlier...the by laws have not always been readily available and have changes and add-ons that many were unaware of.
I think most people are just looking for alittle solid information.  There is nothing listed on the ILHBPA website and no meetings have been called.  Just two sentences on the bottom of the Overnight stated John resigned and Jerry is now President....
There are far too many rumors going around and it isn't fair to the entire membership to not be informed of the circumstances.  Its just leading to more unnecessary drama.
A formal announcement on the website at the very least and hopefully a general membership meeting would be of great help.   ( Trying to keep this as positive as I possibly can, and for those that know me, it isn't easy! Lol )
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« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2013, 10:34:37 AM »

Wasn't Mr. Wainright the incumbent at the last election? What changed (and when) in the bylaws between his initial election and the last one?
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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2013, 10:50:38 AM »

Requirements are an owners license for the prior three years.  Johns hasn't held an owners license in many years...
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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2013, 12:32:53 PM »

Thx
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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2013, 12:39:32 PM »

If the DQ situation was so obvious, you would think some bright boy or girl would have noticed before three years had passed. Any ILHPBA member who failed to notice before now shares equally in the guilt and deserves to be punished. I think you were running for something 3 years ago, were you not? Why did you not notice this problem?

No, I am simply a member of the organization and have not run for any office.  I did support the other candidate at that time, and incurred the wrath associated with that position.

There has also been a lot of confusion and lack of availability of the bylaws.  I read them for the first time, about two weeks ago.

Generally speaking, the members do not possess the same degree of fiduciary responsibility as the board members or ed.  They are placed in the position of trust, responsibility and duty to the membership.  In my profession, we provide insurance to boards of directors in the form of Directors and Officers Liability coverage.  I have never seen a case where a member was held responsible for the primary failure of a board.
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« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2013, 02:24:55 PM »

Right now it's probably most important to communicate to the membership how the transition is progressing.
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« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2013, 02:40:04 PM »

Generally speaking, the members do not possess the same degree of fiduciary responsibility as the board members or ed.  They are placed in the position of trust, responsibility and duty to the membership.  In my profession, we provide insurance to boards of directors in the form of Directors and Officers Liability coverage.  I have never seen a case where a member was held responsible for the primary failure of a board.

I'm betting you've never seen a member of a board really held accountable for anything, either. Officers, maybe.

But in the meantime, isn't it also the job of the stockholders to watch what their board and officers are up to, especially at elections times? Or do they just blindly follow like sheep?
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« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2013, 03:50:22 PM »

 
  "Ertistc"  again.
   
   
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« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2013, 04:04:02 PM »


  "Ertistc"  again.   
   

Yes, you are.
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« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2013, 04:17:16 PM »


But in the meantime, isn't it also the job of the stockholders to watch what their board and officers are up to, especially at elections times? Or do they just blindly follow like sheep?

Comparing members of an organization with stockholders in a company is specious at best. It does appear that the members are "watching what their board and officers are up to, especially at election times" . It appears that's exactly what they are doing. Hence, the changes.
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« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2013, 05:15:34 PM »

Is it possible for all or some of these horsemen groups merge to become a bigger and stronger organization?
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Is it possible for all or some of these horsemen groups merge to become a bigger and stronger organization?

That's what the national groups are for. Almost all of the individual horsemen's reps are affiliated with either HBPA or THA. You can't have too much coordination though, or you run into antitrust issues.
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« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2013, 07:14:47 PM »

I'm betting you've never seen a member of a board really held accountable for anything, either. Officers, maybe.

But in the meantime, isn't it also the job of the stockholders to watch what their board and officers are up to, especially at elections times? Or do they just blindly follow like sheep?

Board members are very definitely held liable, both for errors and omissions.  Many Directors and Officers Liability Policies also extend coverage to board members, for that very reason.   
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« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2013, 08:15:13 AM »

Red, I have to give you a standing ovation.  I got out of horse racing about three years ago because of the corruption down at Fairmount Park.  It is unbelieveable what goes on down there.  They have the horseman by the b---s because they are so poor they have no other place to go.  It is a real tragedy the way the horseman are treated.  The HBPA does NOTHING to help the horseman.  The HBPA is totally in bed with the racetrack.  If the horseman stand up, they are threatened.  I do not want anything to do with Fairmount Park.  My wife and I are honest people and we were good for the sport.  It is very obvious to me, we are not the kind of people that the HBPA want.
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« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2013, 10:33:26 AM »

 
  Sorry that Go Baby's Gone

  Downstate hotshots dogma may be:

  " It not the People who vote that Count.  It's the People that Count the Vote."
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