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« on: April 17, 2013, 03:45:25 PM »

Betting on the basis of inside information is NOT prohibited.

Fixing races is.

Watching horses jog or train or warmup is clearly legal.Asking owners or trainers or drivers if they expect a horse to be good is certainly legal. 
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2013, 03:52:45 PM »

Betting on the basis of inside information is NOT prohibited.

Fixing races is.

Watching horses jog or train or warmup is clearly legal.Asking owners or trainers or drivers if they expect a horse to be good is certainly legal. 

  Does asking someone while wearing a wire, if they can finish 3rd, count?
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2013, 04:22:47 PM »

  Does asking someone while wearing a wire, if they can finish 3rd, count?
of the 3 involved notice Howard Parker is the only one that never came back well?
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2013, 04:24:38 PM »

of the 3 involved notice Howard Parker is the only one that never came back well?


more rats
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2013, 05:32:52 PM »

more rats
what is a rat--a brat-
only askin
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2013, 05:34:32 PM »

Inside Information was one of the greatest thoroughbred fillies of the 90s
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2013, 05:56:43 PM »

Inside Information was one of the greatest thoroughbred fillies of the 90s
I do remember this horse-- I had a hundred win bet, when she lost-- I put it aside, said  someday ticket will be valuable. I honestly cant remember the trainer now-- was it chug?
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2013, 05:57:55 PM »

I do remember this horse-- I had a hundred win bet, when she lost-- I put it aside, said  someday ticket will be valuable. I honestly cant remember the trainer now-- was it chug?
I believe so.  Well played.
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2013, 06:45:13 AM »

Betting on the basis of inside information is NOT prohibited.


Inside info is a no no when trading stocks.

Just ask this lady


Martha Stewart

http://economics.about.com/cs/finance/a/insider_trading.htm

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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2013, 07:25:28 AM »

I used to win regularly until I started buying horses and getting all the information.

Fortunately, I learned rather quickly to ignore information from drivers, trainers and owners -- and started winning again.
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2013, 09:35:09 AM »

Had inside info that  DUCKY. T FRA was no good last night. RAN OFF !! laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy . Keep it ! And no ! I didnt get it from bobby.  I dont like tipz.
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2013, 10:45:32 AM »

I used to win regularly until I started buying horses and getting all the information.

Fortunately, I learned rather quickly to ignore information from drivers, trainers and owners -- and started winning again.

For the most part completely true.

The percentage of owners trainers and drivers who have a clue is smaller than the percentage of gamblers you could ask who they like on the apron.

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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2013, 10:48:21 AM »

For the most part completely true.

The percentage of owners trainers and drivers who have a clue is smaller than the percentage of gamblers you could ask who they like on the apron.


a little story, back in the day I used to work in downtown Saratoga.  I'd get upwards of 8 or 9 tips in a flat race at Saratoga on a hot August day.  Funny thing, the winner was always one of the ones I DIDN'T get a tip on.
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2013, 11:09:17 AM »

what always amazed me was that people actually expected trainers to give them a hot tip on a winner.
 laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2013, 11:17:54 AM »

One thing you got to remember,you can race a horse "easy" for 3 or 4 starts,make a class drop &draw inside & go "all in" with both barrells at the window, but the horse can't tell you he has a pounding headache!
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2013, 11:25:02 AM »

what always amazed me was that people actually expected trainers to give them a hot tip on a winner.
 laughing guy laughing guy

It does happen.

Theres a few guys who are open and honest.

And will even tell you when their horse has no shot.
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Alex Trotbeck
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2013, 11:30:07 AM »

It does happen.

Theres a few guys who are open and honest.

And will even tell you when their horse has no shot.
a Billing driver who shall remain nameless used to always be spot on.  He'd tell you everytime he had no shot, but if he had a shot, life was good for 2:02
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2013, 11:52:42 AM »

I used to win regularly until I started buying horses and getting all the information.

Fortunately, I learned rather quickly to ignore information from drivers, trainers and owners -- and started winning again.
Bingo!~~~Don't tell me you're gonna win,tell me you're gonna lose and I'll do the rest of the home work on the race Grin
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2013, 12:03:33 PM »

Someone told me that a trainer didn't bring the ear plugs this year so he didn't have any plugs to pull. Said was bringing his own the next week just in case he forgot again.


That helped knowing the horse had ear plugs.
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2013, 01:47:50 PM »

Had inside info that  DUCKY. T FRA was no good last night. RAN OFF !! laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy . Keep it ! And no ! I didnt get it from bobby.  I dont like tipz.

doesnt like tips? hed rather watch horses warm up, lol, ira how has lamar's pick 5 horse raced since the infamous cashing? also can u shed some light as to why john barnyard was running around balmoral when "you" won???
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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2013, 02:27:54 PM »

The horse is not even racing. who knows about barnard  dunno
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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2013, 07:52:04 PM »

Best info I ever got was when a friend was working for an "office" on Staten Island.
One of his guys was calling in $2000 win bets.
He would put in maybe 2 or 3 a night, about 3 nights a week.
He was scoring with one or two a night.
This guy was beating the shit out of the office. One night he got them for over $50k.
He was cut off after about 3 or 4 weeks.
I was betting along with him, about $400 at a time.
It was great while it lasted.
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2013, 07:57:29 PM »

Best info I ever got was when a friend was working for an "office" on Staten Island.
One of his guys was calling in $2000 win bets.
He would put in maybe 2 or 3 a night, about 3 nights a week.
He was scoring with one or two a night.
This guy was beating the shit out of the office. One night he got them for over $50k.
He was cut off after about 3 or 4 weeks.
I was betting along with him, about $400 at a time.
It was great while it lasted.
Vic, Stories like yours are rare. Inside info I received from friends regarding 1st timers in T-Breds was generally good, however, when info was on more seasoned horses it wasn't as reliable.
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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2013, 08:51:27 PM »

My turtle is offering free financial advice.  I figure it would be about as valuable so I'll just put it on the table.
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2013, 05:50:37 AM »

Vic, Stories like yours are rare. Inside info I received from friends regarding 1st timers in T-Breds was generally good, however, when info was on more seasoned horses it wasn't as reliable.

I've always taken a very dim view of tips and inside info.
This was a little different in that I had an idea of who this guy was.
I also knew who he was linked to, and he was hooked up with a few drivers, trainers some other, uh, "wise" guys.
This guy was very good, and in the last week of this, the bets were being laid off on another office out of town, and eventually I think the money wound up in the pools, which really defeated the purpose and the prices of those horses.
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2013, 08:23:15 AM »

what always amazed me was that people actually expected trainers to give them a hot tip on a winner.
 laughing guy laughing guy

Most trainers are giving you their honest opinion most of the time, because few of them are big bettors.  Because they know more about their horses than their competition, they are rarely good sources of handicapping information.
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2013, 10:27:06 AM »

  Because they know more about their horses than their competition, they are rarely good sources of handicapping information.

Beyond 100% accurate. 
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