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« on: April 17, 2013, 07:02:28 AM »

Just heard this blurb from an aussie friend....
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2013, 08:20:56 AM »

Its true
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/horse-racing/22179135
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2013, 09:52:42 AM »

If she ran in this years BC, I would have caught a plane just to see her run.
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2013, 12:14:41 PM »

Greatest racemare ever, and retires undefeated.  thumbs up
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2013, 12:41:00 PM »

Terry is trying to get some action here!!!  Terrific, but no Zenyatta.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2013, 12:43:49 PM »

Terry is trying to get some action here!!!  Terrific, but no Zenyatta.

Zenyatta was good, but no Goldikova.

Both Goldie and Black Caviar traveled to other continents to win races against the best. Z, no.
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2013, 05:24:48 PM »

Thats true but neither one of them would even think about taking on the boys and beating them in the breeders cup classic. 
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2013, 06:42:25 PM »

Goldikova was awesome. Black Caviar did some nice things but do we really know what she ran against? 1-9 in every race she ran in over the last 12 months. She was also a turf sprinter. Her name will pop up when talking about great mares but not on top.
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2013, 06:43:37 PM »

Thats true but neither one of them would even think about taking on the boys and beating them in the breeders cup classic. 

I don't think we'll see a mare not only run in the Classic 2 years in a row, but winning one and just missing by a head bob in another.
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2013, 06:46:58 PM »

Thats true but neither one of them would even think about taking on the boys and beating them in the breeders cup classic.  

Goldikova took on the boys at the BC three times and beat them in the BC Mile, did she not? Not to mention all the boys she beat in European races?

And Black Caviar beat all the best boys in Australia as well as some in Europe, while never losing.

Both of them beat the best, and lots of boys many times, at their specific distance. There's nothing particularly special about the distance or competition of the BC Classic, except to Americans. Zenyatta won ONE race against the boys.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2013, 07:10:17 PM »

Terry. Your argument is a valid one but you have to admit that if Zenyatta was owned by the same owners as those great mares that she would have also run against the boys many, many times. If winning the Breeders Cup Classic is so easy, why is Zenyatta the ONLY mare to ever win the race in it's almost 30 years of existence? Food for thought.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2013, 07:11:31 PM »

BTW Terry, I'm with you on Goldikova...she was simply an awesome Mare. She beat everything all over the world.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2013, 07:46:03 PM »

Terry. Your argument is a valid one but you have to admit that if Zenyatta was owned by the same owners as those great mares that she would have also run against the boys many, many times.

Yes, those other owners might have chanced letting her lose instead of protecting her.

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If winning the Breeders Cup Classic is so easy

No one said that. It's a tough race. I simply said it's not such a noteworthy race as Americans make it out to be. A lot of Europeans would argue the Arc is tougher, or more important, because it's a longer race or been in existence for more years, or whatever, and a number of fillies/mares have won that. The BC Classic is only the pinnacle of all racing to Americans. To the rest of the world its just another big race, and most of the rest of the world that has all the good mares doesn't race on dirt, either.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2013, 08:53:56 PM »

Ruffian, at least in the US. In Europe, Zarkava (or Goldilova).  In Australia, Makybe Diva. I have to ding Black Caviar (just a little) for being a pure sprinter, but she's still on the short list.
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2013, 10:13:22 PM »

We all know this game. Terry is being his usual DB self. Goldi was an awesome turf miler. BC was an awesome turf sprinter. He knows it, we all know it. Very simple, would he bet a single dollar of his money on either one of those over Zenyatta going 1 1/4 on any surface. F**k no he wouldn't. Classic distance, the measure of greatness through out history. Not taking a single thing away from the others, but they were what they were.
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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2013, 10:40:27 PM »

I actually think Zenyatta would have been not only a great miler, but a great grass Mare as well. She won from 6 1/2 furlongs to 1 1/4. She won Grade-1 races on both Dirt & Synthetics. She ran a few more races in Southern California than she should have but once she was the champ...why not go out there and try to knock her off? Hell, they tried to get Rachel Alexandra and her hooked up in Hot Springs for a cool $5 Million purse but the RA Connections never showed after Zenyattas stablemate beat her like a drum at the Fair Grounds. I thought Sherriffs was an idiot for sending Zardana over there because that ruined a good race in where Zenyatta would have exposed RA. Oh well. In my lifetime, Zenyatta is the greatest Mare that I've ever seen. That's my opinion. Terry thinks it's Black Caviar and I respect that. I'll leave it at that.
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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2013, 10:46:39 PM »

By the way, I never saw Ruffian run and she ran before I was born so..........
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« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2013, 10:55:41 PM »

A list of the best Mares of all time. Goldikova 53rd???

http://www.horseracingnation.com/polls/current/PowerRankings_All_Time_Female
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2013, 10:07:43 AM »

I actually think Zenyatta would have been not only a great miler, but a great grass Mare as well.

Maybe, but we never actually found out.
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2013, 12:35:21 PM »

Wow! What a way to hang up the bridal! On top and at the peak form! My hats off to a great career on the track &lookin forward to seeing her youngins try to carry the momentum on thru the years!
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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2013, 02:24:09 PM »

Greatest racemare ever, and retires undefeated.  thumbs up
did she ever face our greatest sprinters?  No.. Aussie racing is horrid and I would have loved to see her at the Breeders Cup to be able to stake that claim. 
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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2013, 08:11:26 PM »

Black Caviar great mare but a sprinter. I still have to go with Personal Ensign because she beat a Derby winner in Winning Colors and my favorite Pebbles who defeated an Arc winner in Rainbow Quest, Epsom Derby winner Slip Anchor, won the Breeders Cup turf defeating champion Strawberry Road, and defeated Palace Music who was a runner up twice in the Breeders Cup Mile. When she could hold herself together, she was incredible. 
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2013, 08:17:19 PM »

A list of the best Mares of all time. Goldikova 53rd???

http://www.horseracingnation.com/polls/current/PowerRankings_All_Time_Female

It's a poll.  The average American horseplayer doesn't understand what Goldikova did and who she did it against.

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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2013, 10:51:10 PM »

Australia breeds the best turf sprinters in the world, not many people would argue that point, and she shipped to Ascot. American turf sprinters are not in the same class. As far as who is the best ever, I will leave that to the experts.
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2013, 08:31:42 PM »

A tribute to Black Caviar. She really did make it look so easy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KOTb7z8nDA&feature=youtu.be
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