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« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2013, 11:45:22 AM »

Forgive me for intruding but I believe Arlington still intends to charge 100 stall rent for horses who run somewhere other than Arlington in a race of similar conditions Arlington offers. Perhaps that is why the language is still in the app. No?
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« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2013, 12:22:34 PM »

I posted on another thread that ITHA books are open for inspection during regular hours every day. Also, the check register is included in the board's packets every month for the meetings and discussed and questioned in front of whoever sits in on the meeting.

Thanks for confirming where we can find financials ggenie.
When you talk about the "meeting" are you talking about the meetings that take place on Monday's and Tuesday's? I have asked Mr. Cambell to reconsider moving the meetings to Saturday or Sunday, right after training.... IMO, this would allow more folks to attend, including most owners who are typically at their primary jobs to pay for this "investment".
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« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2013, 07:57:52 PM »

At the ITHA trailer, according to another poster here.

Who the hell writes that goop for AP? Looks like the work of a political hack for some backwater district state Assemblyman candidate. It was so dumb I couldn't even get through it.

I agree with you, Terry. I've noticed this in the past with all of Arlington's newsletters, etc., They sound like they've been written by someone in high school. Maybe they have an intern doing it. It never has a real professional sound to it.

In case no one has seen this, an article appeared in drf.com about the prospect of tracks charging stall rent. In my opinion, what this all amounts to is tracks trying to transfer some of their operating costs to the horsemen and it really is one-sided. So, in all fairness, I propose the horsemen starting shifting some of their operating costs to the track, such as sharing in the liability of horses injured on the track or the track's stalls. It's a large investment the horsemen risk with the possibility of an injury on a track's property. Certainly, this is only an example but I'm sure you get the idea that operating costs for both the track and horsemen form a partnership.

The article mentions the track's land is valuable, especially with possibility of expansion for a casino, as well as, with the shortage of horses, horsemen may have the upperhand in this debate.

http://www.drf.com/news/stall-rent-issue-puts-horsemen-tracks-odds
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« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2013, 08:26:25 PM »

I just looked at Arlington's web site.  This PR release is totally out-of-place on the main web site.  It is incredible that such a thing would exist on something that represents a major corporation.  A web site represents a company in the electronic world and is supposed to attract interest to the track and customers.  This is no better than a post on BTW with me arguing with Terry.

I am at a lost to understand why this is being done and what they think it will accomplish since it is put out there for consumption by the general public.  Plus, it is written in such a childish manner and unsigned.

It would seem that Arlington would keep their dirty laundry hidden from the public and let all this go on behind the scenes.  Although doing this stuff behind the scenes is even weird.  I am at a loss to what is going on and the whole situation dismays me.
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« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2013, 08:13:49 AM »

This PR release is totally out-of-place on the main web site.  It is incredible that such a thing would exist on something that represents a major corporation.  A web site represents a company in the electronic world and is supposed to attract interest to the track and customers. This is no better than a post on BTW with me arguing with Terry.

And I thought that I had heaped some scorn on that fine piece of literature. This is characterizing it as REALLY low ... and coming from the President and Founder of Arlington Huggers International, to boot!
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« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2013, 10:10:44 AM »

FIRST OF ALL, I am in ITHA's corner on this dispute with Arlington. It seems to me that AP is trying to break the horsemen --ITHA in particular--much like any other large conglomerant attempts to break a union. It's total BS as far as I am concerned.

That said, this has become a personal issue between Mr. D and Mike Campbell as much as anything. Now, the rest of us who own and train horses, as well as barn employees, etc., are going to pay the consequences if AP decides to lock us out of the meet.

PS: I read and re-read AP's email about Campbell. Sounds to me like the writer is a person transcribing on paper someone's rant. Gee, wonder who the ranter is?
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« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2013, 10:48:40 AM »

I think it's safe to assume that Arlington has no desire to negotiate with Campbell any longer
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« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2013, 10:52:28 AM »

I saw fights like this all the time in High School. Each girl takes turns writing 'Ho' and 'Skank' on eachothers lockers, then the same on eachothers Facebook. It'll either end in a weak catfight after they've finished ruining the reputations of themselves and everyone around them, or one will develop an eating disorder.
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« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2013, 11:02:06 AM »

Arlington is trying to stir up trouble within the membership of ITHA; turn each other against each other is their game. They don't like Campbell because he is trying to do what's best for the horsemen which conflicts with Arlington's interests. You'd think that with the horse shortage, the tracks would try luring the horsemen to their track with incentives and it might just come down to that someday. Isn't the shortage what this fight is really about? Right now, Arlington will continue to be strong-armed for as long as they can. Remember, they only have their interests in mind.

In my opinion, Arlington is looking really foolish, to the horsemen and fans. Look at how their attempt to use ITBOF fizzled. This recently issued statement is their next attempt. Look at the timing of it too. It came out just before they will have to go into mediation.
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« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2013, 11:20:42 AM »

Mediation already started.
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« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2013, 11:27:22 AM »

Mediation already started.

Must not have started out on a real good foot for AP.
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« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2013, 11:29:13 AM »

I think it's safe to assume that Arlington has no desire to negotiate with Campbell any longer

Tough position for them to take considering the horsemen just re-elected him President last year by a fairly whopping margin.

And, if I'm not mistaken, the E.D. Berman serves at the pleasure of the entire ITHA board, not just the President, so we've got to assume the positions of the E.D. reflect that of at least some majority of the entire board.
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« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2013, 11:56:14 AM »

Looks like childish antics from both parties. This appears to AP's response to March 29 release by the ITHA... It takes two to tango
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« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2013, 12:04:08 PM »

Embarrassing is an understatement...I would think Mr. D, while a shrewd businessman, would understand the value of PR, especially in light of trying to gain favor with the powers that be in negotiating slots/casinos.   Unfortunately, the Illinois horsemen haven't truly capitalized on the CDI blunders...one article by Mr. Milbert, who I like...

This should be "aired" on local TV, radio, as Hawthorne gets ready for it's non derby prep...along with facebook and twittering of all the new nickel and diming fees "the summer of fun" AP palace wants to implement!  That should get CDI to the table...especially if a timeline of CDI actions is laid out for the public, not just hardcore racing fans!

Right now, local community folks who venture to the track think it's Mom's day festivities as usual..and when they get to the track, the new fees will surprise them, but they won't be aware of the BS that is going on...

Hell, let's get the mighty Quinn's take on CDI's latest...and maybe he may be sympathetic to the horseman's cause!
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« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2013, 12:12:37 PM »

Looks like childish antics from both parties. This appears to AP's response to March 29 release by the ITHA... It takes two to tango

I didn't realize that the ITHA released anything.  I had a good laugh when I noticed that Arlington just mimicked Campbell's juvenile style of writing. 

I'm looking forward to 3 and 4 horse fields on 5/3
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« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2013, 12:27:03 PM »

I didn't realize that the ITHA released anything.  I had a good laugh when I noticed that Arlington just mimicked Campbell's juvenile style of writing.  

I'm looking forward to 3 and 4 horse fields on 5/3

In my opinion, the ITHA statement listed legitimate complaints and was well written. Arlington could have resolved the issue months ago if they would have changed the language in the Stall Application. For whatever reason, they have refused to do so. What the horsemen have been left with is Arlington saying one thing but may do another based on a contract the horsemen signed under false pretenses. There was also no dollar amount noted in the Stall Application or how they planned to charge for stall rent. For example, if a horse did not race for 30 days, would the stall rent begin on the 31st day or would they begin charging for the 30 days prior.

So let me ask you, Monster, would you ever sign such an agreement without knowing what you would be expected to pay and how many days you would have to pay for?

Janine, if they've already started mediation, Arlington's statement makes them look even worse. It shows they are not willing to come to a resolution and are playing silly games and one of their games is to scare the horsemen so they start fighting among themselves.
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« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2013, 12:44:01 PM »

So let me ask you, Monster, would you ever sign such an agreement without knowing what you would be expected to pay and how many days you would have to pay for?

That would depend.  Am I stabling at Arlington to train, or am I there to race?  If I'm there to race, I sign it.  If I'm there to train, I wouldn't sign it and would train elsewhere. 
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« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2013, 12:58:52 PM »

That would depend.  Am I stabling at Arlington to train, or am I there to race?  If I'm there to race, I sign it.  If I'm there to train, I wouldn't sign it and would train elsewhere.  

I suggest you see an attorney before you ever sign anything. Not knowing what they could charge you ($10, $25, $50, $200, $500 per day?) and for how long is not a contract even Arlington or CDI would sign.
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« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2013, 01:15:59 PM »

I suggest you see an attorney before you ever sign anything. Not knowing what they could charge you ($10, $25, $50, $200, $500 per day?) and for how long is not a contract even Arlington or CDI would sign.

If I'm there to race, I'm not getting charged anything
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« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2013, 01:20:07 PM »

If I'm there to race, I'm not getting charged anything

Actually, you could be if your horse was injured. I'm sure there are other reasons for a horse not to be in a race in 30 days.
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« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2013, 01:23:00 PM »

I didn't realize that the ITHA released anything.  I had a good laugh when I noticed that Arlington just mimicked Campbell's juvenile style of writing.

Really? I didn't notice any "You owe us answers, Dick!", "Answer the questions, Dick!", "What are you doing with your OUR money, Dick?" childishness in Campbell's paper. There was, admittedly, a "Where is Arlington's dedication to horse racing and the Illinois ag economy?"

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It would be a fitting reward for the unwavering support and backing of Arlington's valued customers.
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« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2013, 01:29:41 PM »

Actually, you could be if your horse was injured. I'm sure there are other reasons for a horse not to be in a race in 30 days.

Many, including the racing secretary not putting up the race that fits your horse in this book, or that race not filling, or that race overfilling, or that race getting washed off, or whatever. But, if they have it in some book at some point during the summer making it a "condition offered", and you take your own horse off their grounds to another track to get a damn race, you will get nicked $100 if you want to get it back on AP's backside, and you'll miss your 30 day window, to boot.

It's a screwed deal. "We may not put up a race that fits, but if you try to find one that does it's going to cost you $100 plus stall rent, so you better just shove that horse in any old AP race with all the attendant risk of injury any race brings, just to make your one start in 30 days."    
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« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2013, 01:54:58 PM »

Why not charge everyone a stall fee and rebate fees to those meeting minimal racing requirements. Any monies not rebated could go to the purse account, a horse retirement fund or some other needy cause.
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« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2013, 02:02:21 PM »

Why not charge everyone a stall fee and rebate fees to those meeting minimal racing requirements. Any monies not rebated could go to the purse account, a horse retirement fund or some other needy cause.

Because no horsemen anywhere pay stall rent at a live meet and they wouldn't show up on general principles.

If AP is so set on doing this, just establish some objective measures that recognize the realities. I think there was even a communication from Petrillo that claimed to recognize that reality, and that it needed more thought, and they decided not to do it this year. So, if that's the case, why not simply take the offending language about the rent that MAY get charged out of the stall app and get this out of the way? It's like Dick or someone is just so pigheaded stubborn that he refuses to be seen giving even an inch on any issue, and insists on leaving that language in there just as a power play even while Petrillo says otherwise. Or else they're lying.
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« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2013, 02:20:14 PM »

I stated that minimal racing requirements would have to be set. Then, if you race it would not cost you a anything. If you don't race, then you don't belong there. The days of a free lunch are ending in all industries.
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