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« on: March 14, 2013, 01:47:14 PM »

Open Letter
to all Owners and Trainers Racing in NY, NJ & PA
 
  As you know, the first twenty-nine days of
the 2013 meet at the Meadowlands have been an overwhelming success.  The public has adapted to the classification
system, along with the competitive style of racing full fields, etc. as our
handle is up approximately 33%.  Last
year we only had two days excluding the Hambletonian and Meadowlands Pace where
the handle exceeded $3 Million dollars.  This year we already exceeded $3 Million dollars on thirteen
occasions. 
  We are building a brand new grandstand as
anyone who has visited the track can see.   I assure you it will be a first
class facility and a place that you will be proud to come to with your family
or other guests.
  That is the good news.
  The bad news is that because all of our
income is derived from wagering and horse racing we need to continue to generate
handles of over $3 Million dollars every Friday and Saturday.  In order to do that we require full fields
and since we are only racing two days beginning next week essentially we need
250 horses each weekend to fill both cards. Last weekend we had twenty-five
fewer horses racing over the weekend and as a result our handle declined by
$508,000. 
  As we all know with Chester opening last week
and Pocono opening in another week, in order for those two tracks to fill their
cards they would probably need to have a minimum of an extra 1,000 horses
assuming both tracks race four days a week as scheduled and thirteen or fourteen
races per night which seems to be their plan. 
  Since both these tracks, as well as Yonkers, derive
the majority of their purse money from casino gambling they often have purses equal
or better than ours and most people think it is easier to win at those tracks
as long as you do not draw too many eight or nine holes.  I understand all that but the Meadowlands
cannot survive without having full fields and competitive races. The last two
months have shown that the product is extremely popular with the people who
wager on standardbred racing.  In fact,
on a typical Saturday night 40% of all the money bet at US tracks is wagered on
our product. 
  To be blunt, I need the industry to step up
and support the Meadowlands which may not be the best business decision for
everyone in the short term but, in my opinion, the industry needs a healthy
Meadowlands and we deserve the support of the industry. 
  The other option would be for us to
drastically reduce the stakes program which I think would help increase our
overnight purses but would have a very negative impact on the industry because
our stakes program is vital to support the breeding industry.  It also serves to attract new customers by
showcasing our best horses and creating the kind of excitement we see for our
major races.  This will be especially
true when we move into the new building. Currently we use 25% of our purse
money to fund the stakes program approximately $4,200,000 while our competitors
are typically using 10-12%. 
  To be honest, I am not sure there are enough
horses for all of the race days that are scheduled at Chester, Pocono, Yonkers,
Dover and the Meadowlands.  It would seem
at some point it should be addressed as the number of mares bred and yearlings
born each year continues to decline significantly.  Common sense would tell you that this has to
have an impact and that race days have to start to come down.  The bottom line is we cannot survive without
full fields as we get killed when we have six or seven horse races no matter
what the quality is.  We struggled to
fill the card with short fields the last two weekends and Pocono is not open
yet. 
  One possibility would be to work with Pocono
and Chester and try to come up with a schedule that would allow all of us to
have full fields and quality racing.  One
suggestion was to lower the purses in December, January and February when there
is an oversupply of horses and increase the purses when the Pennsylvania tracks
reopen.  Another option that we might
consider is a loyalty program whereby we create a formula that allows
preference to those horsemen who support us in the spring and summer when we
are racing the fall and winter meet.  
  I would rather see the industry support us on
a voluntary basis as I think it is in everyone’s best interest that we continue
to provide the type of product we have been providing for the last two and a
half months.  Hopefully I can count on
your support.
 
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2013, 02:01:03 PM »

SOUNDS,,LIKE ITS CURTAINS,,FOR A TRACK OR 2
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2013, 02:04:36 PM »

Yea...curtins for the big m
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 02:13:27 PM »

I don't think he will get any help from Pa or Yonkers.  Most of the
horses racing there are being trained by trainers who aren't allowed
at the Meadowlands.  Going to 2 nights a week he is losing 8 million
a month without Thursday.  I don't now how they will make that up.











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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2013, 04:20:16 PM »

There is an arrogance and sense of entitlement that Gural oozes.

I understand it is the Mecca.
I am not saying it isn't.
I framed my picture from the winners circle there.

But really?

I am glad Sears went to Yonkers.

You aren't entitled to anything Mr Gural.


Earn it.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2013, 04:24:10 PM »

I don't think he will get any help from Pa or Yonkers.  Most of the
horses racing there are being trained by trainers who aren't allowed
at the Meadowlands. 


or can race closer to home for bettter money....
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2013, 04:31:55 PM »

There is an arrogance and sense of entitlement that Gural oozes.

I understand it is the Mecca.
I am not saying it isn't.
I framed my picture from the winners circle there.

But really?

I am glad Sears went to Yonkers.

You aren't entitled to anything Mr Gural.


Earn it.

I agree with you 3WW.

If I owned horses in the northeast, I too would be racing at PCD or Chst or YR to try to earn the most & pay for those big owner's bills.  No chance I'd waste a sound horse or a hot horse on lower purses because Jeff Gural & a few other rich boys decided to roll the dice on getting gambling at their facility.

As I've said time & time again, M1 is doomed without gambling.  The industry needs to resume it's demise in live tracks until the demand matches the supply & can become self-sustaining.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2013, 05:16:21 PM »

Chester and Yonkers don't care about racing.
2 sewer pits in regards to racing.

Supporting them seems illogical.    Fans don't support them
If horsemen stood together and raced at the Meadowlands the long term result would be better for them.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2013, 05:27:49 PM »

Chester and Yonkers don't care about racing.
2 sewer pits in regards to racing.

Supporting them seems illogical.    Fans don't support them
If horsemen stood together and raced at the Meadowlands the long term result would be better for them.


spoken like someone who has not one part of his income based on purse $.
stfu already numbie nutty buddy Cheesy
now run along & be a good lil observer from the outside looking in nyah
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2013, 05:40:28 PM »

I realize everyone sees things the way they will see it or read it, and if people don't like JG they will see it the way they want. I read this 3 times. All I am reading is an owner who made an investment, and is asking for horseman to partner with him for the long term good of his track and the industry. Of course he is a businessman and of course he invested because of the hope of a casino, I just don't get how that's a problem.
I guess a businessman is supposed to buy a racetrack and sink all his own money without asking for a partnership from others?
I know most of you hate hockey and don't know the story of the Islanders. Long story short, Charles Wang (of Computer Associates) bought the team years back with the hopes of keeping the team on L.I. And growing the surrounding area and building a new arena. Is he a businessman, YES. He invested his millions and lost $10 million a year for about 10 years, never received new building or opportunity to build and invest in the surrounding area. This is a somewhat simililar story. What happened? Team is gone, moving to another arena in another area (Brooklyn). Do people who love the game want to see the Meadowlands fail also? I am curious.
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2013, 05:48:15 PM »

I realize everyone sees things the way they will see it or read it, and if people don't like JG they will see it the way they want. I read this 3 times. All I am reading is an owner who made an investment, and is asking for horseman to partner with him for the long term good of his track and the industry. Of course he is a businessman and of course he invested because of the hope of a casino, I just don't get how that's a problem.
I guess a businessman is supposed to buy a racetrack and sink all his own money without asking for a partnership from others?
I know most of you hate hockey and don't know the story of the Islanders. Long story short, Charles Wang (of Computer Associates) bought the team years back with the hopes of keeping the team on L.I. And growing the surrounding area and building a new arena. Is he a businessman, YES. He invested his millions and lost $10 million a year for about 10 years, never received new building or opportunity to build and invest in the surrounding area. This is a somewhat simililar story. What happened? Team is gone, moving to another arena in another area (Brooklyn). Do people who love the game want to see the Meadowlands fail also? I am curious.
The Long Island Ducks out of the Commack arena were my fav.team popcorn
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2013, 05:53:53 PM »

Chester and Yonkers don't care about racing.
2 sewer pits in regards to racing.

Supporting them seems illogical.   

So if you lose every night betting M1, you will continue to "support" them?

Gural doesn't give a crap about you or the horsemen.  Yes, I agree that he does care about the sport but for horsemen, it seems illogical to support him.  They have to support themselves because in the long run, what do you not understand in this statement: M1 is doomed without casino money.


I guess a businessman is supposed to buy a racetrack and sink all his own money without asking for a partnership from others?
I know most of you hate hockey and don't know the story of the Islanders. Long story short, Charles Wang (of Computer Associates) bought the team years back with the hopes of keeping the team on L.I. And growing the surrounding area and building a new arena. Is he a businessman, YES. He invested his millions and lost $10 million a year for about 10 years, never received new building or opportunity to build and invest in the surrounding area. This is a somewhat simililar story. What happened? Team is gone, moving to another arena in another area (Brooklyn). Do people who love the game want to see the Meadowlands fail also? I am curious.

Funny, how when Wayne Huizenga & the Marlins won the World Series, he took all the blame for letting the players go when they refused to take a cut in pay.  The thought was "Huizenga is wealth, he can afford to lose a few dollars".  In fact, he was a hated man for it.

Why is the shoe on the other foot here?

Gural didn't get with the horsemen last year & say: "Look, I'm going to lease this place, build a new grandstand for $100 billion & hope to get casino's.  No guarantees but are you guys willing to take a cut in purses while you wait?"

And so what, so the Islanders are magically gone to Brooklyn.  So you make the 45 minute drive.  I assume the smarter taxpayer in Nassau County didn't want to fork over the big money to keep the precious sport of hockey there.  Your memories of Clark Gillies, Billy Smith, the Potvin Bros & Bryan Trottier are already more than 35 years old.  Get over it.
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2013, 06:01:42 PM »

The Long Island Ducks out of the Commack arena were my fav.team popcorn

I knew it as the L.I. Arena & Rick Barry, Billy Paultz, Bill Melchioni...
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2013, 06:10:58 PM »

I knew it as the L.I. Arena & Rick Barry, Billy Paultz, Bill Melchioni...
Dolfan, what you are referring to is the Island Garden. It was in West Hempstead. The Ducks hockey team played in Suffolk County in Commack.
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2013, 06:22:05 PM »

Dolfan, what you are referring to is the Island Garden. It was in West Hempstead. The Ducks hockey team played in Suffolk County in Commack.
The league they played in was like Slap shot laughing guy
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2013, 06:25:50 PM »

I don't remember anything called the Island Garden but hey, I wasn't even 10!  So Dad must've been calling it the L.I. Arena.  

I never went to a Knicks game until I worked in Manhattan & have still never been to a Rangers game.  For me, it was always the Nets & Islanders.  

Does Brooklyn seems strange for me?  Sure does, but I understand it looks a lot better now.

Bottom line here is Gural is making his pleas now.  First he's the big man on campus buying the place, then he treats the top guys in the sport (Brennan & Sears) like they are not welcomed, throws out the "cheaters" with no evidence, which I am not against & then starts begging horsemen to be his "partner".  He may love the sport but do you think for a second, that he'd own VD & Tgn without slots?   He's a business man, making his own decisions, which I am very much pro but he has no right begging to be saved by someone else.  They are not his partners, the same that the gambler is not Steve Wynn's partner.  They have to play by his rules, he is the house.  

Case closed.
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2013, 06:36:07 PM »

Dolfan, what you are referring to is the Island Garden. It was in West Hempstead. The Ducks hockey team played in Suffolk County in Commack.
The league they played in was like Slap shot laughing guy

John Brophe!

I went there a lot when I was young
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2013, 06:36:23 PM »

I don't remember anything called the Island Garden but hey, I wasn't even 10!  So Dad must've been calling it the L.I. Arena.  

I never went to a Knicks game until I worked in Manhattan & have still never been to a Rangers game.  For me, it was always the Nets & Islanders.  

Does Brooklyn seems strange for me?  Sure does, but I understand it looks a lot better now.

Bottom line here is Gural is making his pleas now.  First he's the big man on campus buying the place, then he treats the top guys in the sport (Brennan & Sears) like they are not welcomed, throws out the "cheaters" with no evidence, which I am not against & then starts begging horsemen to be his "partner".  He may love the sport but do you think for a second, that he'd own VD & Tgn without slots?   He's a business man, making his own decisions, which I am very much pro but he has no right begging to be saved by someone else.  They are not his partners, the same that the gambler is not Steve Wynn's partner.  They have to play by his rules, he is the house.  

Case closed.
When the Nets came into existence they might have been in NJ in the late 60's. They moved to LI and played at the Island Garden in West Hempstead. Rick Barry was their big star back then. In 73 or 74 they moved to Nassau Coliseum. The ABA was cool back then. It was fun to watch. They had the red white and blue ball, they had 3 pointers which the NBA never had.
Dr J came later and the Nets won ABA titles with Billy Paultz, Larry Kenon, John Williamson, etc.
To answer your early point. I admit, I am living in past about the Islanders much in the same way many in NY never got over the Brooklyn Dodgers leaving.
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2013, 06:41:07 PM »

Tioga and Vernon are on the horizon. Two more tracks opening diluting the horse pool.
Close em down. Oh, wait can't! both owned by Gural.  sarcasm
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2013, 06:41:30 PM »

I was all prepared for the Marlins to move from South Florida when Miami got sucked into building them a stadium.  In just a matter of time the Marlins will still move because no one will go to their games.  I assume that was the case with the Islanders.  40 year old arena, most people are pissed about the NHL, bad playoff system makes the games meaningless.

L.A. promised & gave the Dodgers everything when they moved.  You could've hated them but you couldn't blame them.
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2013, 06:42:18 PM »

John Brophe!

I went there a lot when I was young
he was the player coach~~my hero bowing
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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2013, 06:45:41 PM »

The Long Island Ducks out of the Commack arena were my fav.team popcorn

The Broome Dusters kicked their ass
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2013, 06:49:40 PM »

extorman..gural has yet to say what the horsemen... that stick with him will recieve in the way of benefits....all know that the main oblect for gural propping the meds up is the hopes of casino gaming...in ny and pa and del and now ohio  they have to race to have the slots,  it is the horse racing that brings them to the dance...in nj  if ac fails and the casino ends up ain east rutherford the is nothing in the law to support horse racing..hey jeff   how about horseman take a little cut in purses and and stay here with me and when i get the casino i will share X amount % of my handle with you....
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2013, 07:16:46 PM »

spoken like someone who has not one part of his income based on purse $.
stfu already numbie nutty buddy Cheesy
now run along & be a good lil observer from the outside looking in nyah

So in order to have an opinion I must derive money from purses?
I am the customer, I derive money from pools.

Go take a swim and please wear cement shoes, you can breath water take deep breaths.
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2013, 07:21:21 PM »

juice jerkoff..when jeff gets his way  the only pools will be slot or table..not horses
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So in order to have an opinion I must derive money from purses?
I am the customer, I derive money from pools.

Go take a swim and please wear cement shoes, you can breath water take deep breaths.


no dipchit, if you raced for $ your tune would surely change....you're speaking like you'd be so above racing at philly downs or yonkers for greater purses than the big m and 1/5  the drive time....
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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2013, 07:42:54 PM »

i htink juice wants us to think he is big time gambler...he need them big pools
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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2013, 08:06:24 PM »

  JOE BON JOVI
PAT BERRY

AND  IRISH JOE HANNEY..


5 TROTTERS BREAKIN IN A 10 HORSE FIELD,,,


THATS  ENUFF ,,FOR MY THURSDAY OF RACIN,,,,AT BIGM,,,

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WATCHIN ,....NFL NETWORK....

AND HAVIN LITTLE HOT FUDGE SUNDAE...


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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2013, 08:12:28 PM »

  JOE BON JOVI
PAT BERRY

AND  IRISH JOE HANNEY..


Is this Jeopardy?

My answer is, who are 3 drivers with better hands than Andy Miller?
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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2013, 08:15:17 PM »

CRUSH HAS NOT BEEN DOIN GOOD LATELY ,,I ADMIT IT,,,

BUT HEZ STILL BETTER ,,THAN YOUR BOY ,,NAP,,,SKIPPER..JUST SAYIN

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i htink juice wants us to think he is big time gambler...he need them big pools
uhh we know better than that....remember when he useta post his picks for that c level track vermin downs?
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least he realizes he's got no business posting selections for anything in the A (big M)or B level (yonkers/philly downs) tracks...we gotta give him that thumbs up
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CRUSH HAS NOT BEEN DOIN GOOD LATELY ,,I AMDIT IT,,,


IRISH JOE HANNEY CANT MOE MY LAWN,,,
We better not say anything more about Irish...next time we're are Freehold we will get whacked. Grin Grin
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no dipchit, if you raced for $ your tune would surely change....you're speaking like you'd be so above racing at philly downs or yonkers for greater purses than the big m and 1/5  the drive time....
keep yappin pizz ant.... laughing guy

I DO RACE FOR $.   WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
So in order to have an opinion I must derive money from purses?
I am the customer, I derive money from pools.

Go take a swim and please wear cement shoes, you can breath water take deep breaths.

juice jerkoff..when jeff gets his way  the only pools will be slot or table..not horses
SO SAYS YOU?   I BELIEVE IN GURAL IF IM WRONG IM WRONG BUT RIGHT NOW HE IS THE ONLY DECENT THING GOING IN RACING.

i htink juice wants us to think he is big time gambler...he need them big pools

IM NOT THE BIGGEST FISH BUT IM IN THE POND.

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We better not say anything more about Irish...next time we're are Freehold we will get whacked. Grin Grin

HIZ DAD WANTED TO KICK MY ASS,,REMEMBER,ZACTOR screwy screwy screwy screwy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy

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I DO RACE FOR $.   WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?SO SAYS YOU?  

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so now all of a sudden your elbow deep "in the game" dunno
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« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2013, 08:24:02 PM »

uhh we know better than that....remember when he useta post his picks for that c level track vermin downs?
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least he realizes he's got no business posting selections for anything in the A (big M)or B level (yonkers/philly downs) tracks...we gotta give him that thumbs up

YOU ARE A REAL DOPE.   MANY WINNERS PROVIDED AND PROFIT ON EACH SEASON I HAVE POSTED PICKS FOR VERNON.

I DON'T POST PICKS HERE, FOR WHAT THE 4 OR 5 MORONS WHO APPRECIATE NOTHING AND ARE HERE TO TROLL.   LIKE YOU.

IDK MY ROI FOR POSTED PICKS AT THE MEADOWLANDS THIS SEASON BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU IT IS POSITIVE.

CECIL YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A 2 BIT MORON.   IT SHOWS DAILY WITH YOUR POSTS.   YOU MUST BE AN IQ OF ABOUT 81.  

I WONDER SOMETIMES HOW MANY BLOWS TO THE HEAD YOU HAVE TAKEN LIFETIME BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY LOGICAL EXPLANATION.
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« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2013, 08:28:16 PM »

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so now all of a sudden your elbow deep "in the game" dunno
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KEEP SHOWING YOUR STUPIDITY.   I LOVE IT.

THE GAMBLERS ARE AT LEAST AS IMPORTANT AS ANY HORSE OWNER/TRAINER/DRIVER.

MY OPINION IS THE GAMBLER IS MORE IMPORTANT BY MILES.
I CAN SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN AND WILL AGREE ON BEING EQUALS.

THE FANS AND GAMBLERS SHOW THAT THE BIG M IS THE BEST BY THE HANDLE.   THE HORSEMEN SHOULD MEET US HALFWAY IF THEY ARE EQUALS AND SUPPORT THE TRACK THAT THEIR CUSTOMERS SUPPORT.

NOT BECAUSE IT IS JEFF GURAL A DEAR FRIEND.   BUT BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

GAMBLERS LAUGH AT CHESTER AND YONKERS.   HORSEMEN SHOULD TOO.   BUT BECAUSE THE HORSEMEN RACING IN TODAYS GAME ARE SO CORRUPT AND THOSE JURISDICTIONS AND OWNERS CARE NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME THE CORRUPT HORSEMEN GO THERE TO CHEAT FOR WAY BETTER MONEY.

HORSEMEN STEP UP AND DO THE RIGHT THING...THE REAL HORSEMEN...YOU WILL BE REWARDED.

CECIL=***...EXPOSED!!!
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« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2013, 08:50:19 PM »

juice  u ***...the horseman could give flying *** about you(unless ur wife is a hot piece of ass)   the gamblers are betting nothing and we are  racing for more than ever..no thanks to the gambler..so inless ur old lady is getting ready to bend over  nobody wants to hear from you
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« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2013, 08:51:55 PM »

KEEP SHOWING YOUR STUPIDITY.   I LOVE IT.

THE GAMBLERS ARE AT LEAST AS IMPORTANT AS ANY HORSE OWNER/TRAINER/DRIVER.

MY OPINION IS THE GAMBLER IS MORE IMPORTANT BY MILES.
I CAN SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN AND WILL AGREE ON BEING EQUALS.

THE FANS AND GAMBLERS SHOW THAT THE BIG M IS THE BEST BY THE HANDLE.   THE HORSEMEN SHOULD MEET US HALFWAY IF THEY ARE EQUALS AND SUPPORT THE TRACK THAT THEIR CUSTOMERS SUPPORT.

NOT BECAUSE IT IS JEFF GURAL A DEAR FRIEND.   BUT BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

GAMBLERS LAUGH AT CHESTER AND YONKERS.   HORSEMEN SHOULD TOO.   BUT BECAUSE THE HORSEMEN RACING IN TODAYS GAME ARE SO CORRUPT AND THOSE JURISDICTIONS AND OWNERS CARE NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME THE CORRUPT HORSEMEN GO THERE TO CHEAT FOR WAY BETTER MONEY.

HORSEMEN STEP UP AND DO THE RIGHT THING...THE REAL HORSEMEN...YOU WILL BE REWARDED.

CECIL=***...EXPOSED!!!

last i checked the letter didnt get sent out to the gamblers...but somehow you think you should be right in the middle of this.  classic jj tonight folks laughing guy
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« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2013, 08:59:06 PM »

juice  u ***...the horseman could give flying *** about you(unless ur wife is a hot piece of ass)   the gamblers are betting nothing and we are  racing for more than ever..no thanks to the gambler..so inless ur old lady is getting ready to bend over  nobody wants to hear from you

WHAT DA HELL DOES DA GUYS' WIFE HAVE TO DO WITH THIS ARGUMENT....


JUST UNCALLED FOR,,,


LITTLE CLASS NEEDED,,,AND  SOME SHT OFF LIMITS ....WIVES,,,KIDS,,AND FAMILIES

JUST SAYIN
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« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2013, 09:02:43 PM »

WHAT DA HELL DOES DA GUYS' WIFE HAVE TO DO WITH THIS ARGUMENT....


JUST UNCALLED FOR,,,


LITTLE CLASS NEEDED,,,AND  SOME SHT OFF LIMITS ....WIVES,,,KIDS,,AND FAMILIES

JUST SAYIN

just joshin luc...jeeez Roll Eyes

unless of course you can confirm the 5x5 with juicey brand wedding ring (ferrier nail custom bent to "her" size) dunno
speak up parrot head Cheesy
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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2013, 09:06:52 PM »

  THE PARROTT IS FCKIN COMIN,,CECIL...

BANK ON IT,,,,, nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah


DONT TELL ME UR A PARROT EXPERT AND A TROUT FISHERMAN


JUST ASKIN...

IF U ARE ITS LIKE A ,,,5X4 ,,MEADOW SKIPPER CROSS... laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy

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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2013, 09:13:17 PM »

  THE PARROTT IS FCKIN COMIN,,CECIL...

BANK ON IT,,,,,




HUE,,,BETTOR,,BEKAREFULL,,,,IT,,,DONT,,,GIVE,,OUT,,,THOSE,,,JUICY,,,INSIDER,,,TIPZ,,,TWO,,DA,,,RONG,,,,,,PEEPZ,,,

BBBBBRRROOOOCKKKKK,,,,,"MAYWOOD, RACE 7-SEVEN HORSE",,,,,,,,BBBBBROOOOCKKKKK *WHISTLE*

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« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2013, 09:18:06 PM »

juice  u ***...the horseman could give flying *** about you(unless ur wife is a hot piece of ass)   the gamblers are betting nothing and we are  racing for more than ever..no thanks to the gambler..so inless ur old lady is getting ready to bend over  nobody wants to hear from you

the hot wife comment made me LOL

There is an inherent point about tracks that run for more in purses than what they handle.
Yea its great for the horseman right now. But I have very real doubts about the long term sustainability of the welfare checks that are basically what racinos are giving out.


Gurals letter is dopey arrogant and shows his own sense of entitlement though.
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« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2013, 10:15:25 PM »

I only know 2 things for sure

1) The Meadowlands is doomed without slots
2) Harness Racing is completely doomed without the Meadowlands

The only reason these other tracks get whatever crumbs they get bet at them is people handicap the Meadowlands and then look to other tracks for extra smaller time killing action. Without the Meadowlands as a draw to anyone who bets any kind of money the last of the gamblers will run for the hills.....Nobody can play these other tracks as a primary track there simply isnt enough handle to justify the work required to win.....When the Meadowlands dies handles will plummet at the side tracks and Casinos will rid themselves of the necessary eveil once and for all......These tracks will be back to racing for $1000 and blankets once the welfare subsidy ends and it is going to end
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« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2013, 11:15:10 PM »

juice  u ***...the horseman could give flying *** about you(unless ur wife is a hot piece of ass)   the gamblers are betting nothing and we are  racing for more than ever..no thanks to the gambler..so inless ur old lady is getting ready to bend over  nobody wants to hear from you

Aren't you still banded from racing lol.
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« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2013, 11:16:57 PM »

last i checked the letter didnt get sent out to the gamblers...but somehow you think you should be right in the middle of this.  classic jj tonight folks laughing guy
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It was sent for the gamblers.
You are one dense, stupid, ignorant piece.
You really don't get it.
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« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2013, 11:37:54 PM »

Not sure what to make of that letter.
I understand his plea, but I also feel funny about the way he is asking.
If anyone remembers what the Meadowlands did to Yonkers and RR in the 80's, they would understand why Yonkers would not give one shit about M1 or Gural.
Yonkers had it's throat stepped on back then, and the Meadowlands never took their foot off of it until YR was just about dead. The slots obviously revived them, at least the casino portion.
I have to figure that Gural has a very STRONG notion that the casino is coming in the near future. Otherwise, the $100 million looks like a very stupid wager, as the track will not survive with handle alone.
I also figure that no matter what, the other slot parlors are going to brush aside the racing ASAP. The money can and will be spent in a better way.
Chester's handle is so bad that it's as if they have no gamblers.
Now, what would make business sense, at least for YR, Pocono, and the others, is to try to improve what they have, and try to make it look like they actually care about their racing product.
Those people in charge must get the sense that Gural is on the ropes with all of this.
Perhaps they could deliver a knockout blow to him. I don't know.
How about if any of them went to a 1 mile configuration? If possible..
I don't think the smaller tracks see it as "What's good for the Meadowlands is good for the sport." I think they see it as competition.
Yes, this letter seems very self serving, but the guy has a lot of chips in the pot and has to try anything to survive.
By the way, where are all the people who said the opening of the small tracks won't affect the M1 handle?
Gural sees it and knows it, and also knows it's only going to get worse..
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« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2013, 03:55:46 AM »

It was sent for the gamblers.
You are one dense, stupid, ignorant piece.
You really don't get it.

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« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2013, 03:57:46 AM »

couldnt get any easier to understand numby! laughing guy
 heart u too dipchit...no matter where you pry yourself into the situation Grin

Idiot.  I know who it was sent too.
It was SENT ON BEHALF OF THE GAMBLERS.
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« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2013, 04:03:10 AM »

last i checked the letter didnt get sent out to the gamblers...but somehow you think you should be right in the middle of this.  classic jj tonight folks laughing guy
gimmee some chitty selections for ol times sake Grin laughing guy Grin

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It was sent for the gamblers.
You are one dense, stupid, ignorant piece.
You really don't get it.

How dumb is cecil?
Iq just dropped to room temperature.
I bet he wears velcro shoes. screwy screwy screwy
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« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2013, 06:14:57 AM »

WHAT DA HELL DOES DA GUYS' WIFE HAVE TO DO WITH THIS ARGUMENT....


JUST UNCALLED FOR,,,


LITTLE CLASS NEEDED,,,AND  SOME SHT OFF LIMITS ....WIVES,,,KIDS,,AND FAMILIES

JUST SAYIN
I agree Rocco.
Tell that to the other dopes who do it all the time.
Or are you afraid they'll pick on you?
Do the right thing pal.
And get a dog instead of a parrot.
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« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2013, 06:19:15 AM »

Typical, Horsemen can't see the Forrest through the Tree's.  screwy screwy screwy
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« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2013, 07:19:16 AM »

I agree Rocco.
Tell that to the other dopes who do it all the time.
Or are you afraid they'll pick on you?
Do the right thing pal.
And get a dog instead of a parrot.


THEY CAN PICK ON WHO EVER THEY  WANT,,PERIOD,,I AINT HIDIN FROM,,PEEPS,,ALL KNOW MY FCKIN NAME,,COME AND KICK MY ASSE,,,,,, laughing guy laughing guy

AS FOR ,,FAMILY AND WIVES IT SHOULD BE OFF LIMITS,,JUST SAYIN...


BURTON,,I GOT A DOG,,LUC trophy trophy trophy trophy,,,  LITTLE BICHON
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« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2013, 10:37:25 AM »

I agree Rocco.
Tell that to the other dopes who do it all the time.
Or are you afraid they'll pick on you?
Do the right thing pal.
And get a dog instead of a parrot.

Who does it Burton?   Several have done it, including Lucpark and myself.

But all the time?   No that is more of a Niatross type thing which falls in the category of YOUR PAL.

Cut the nonsense is you have been guilty of it too or at least some equally depraved offense.

You aren't innocent...no way. poor baby
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« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2013, 09:44:48 PM »

i just thought of something...if guys like juice junkie  would bet with thier money and not thier mouths and ego's  there would'nt be a shortage in the pools...all these guys *** and cry about where the sport is from the gamblers perspective....bet more than 5 bucks and thing will get better
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« Reply #57 on: March 15, 2013, 10:54:57 PM »

i just thought of something...if guys like juice junkie  would bet with thier money and not thier mouths and ego's  there would'nt be a shortage in the pools...all these guys *** and cry about where the sport is from the gamblers perspective....bet more than 5 bucks and thing will get better

You truly are an idiot.
Are you still banned from racing?
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« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2013, 11:08:30 PM »

There is an arrogance and sense of entitlement that Gural oozes.

I understand it is the Mecca.
I am not saying it isn't.
I framed my picture from the winners circle there.

But really?

I am glad Sears went to Yonkers.

You aren't entitled to anything Mr Gural.


Earn it.

I'm sure he has no problems earning anything....its hard dealing with all the slots competition. I'm sure he's open to some advice from you on how he should 'earn it' drop him an e mail and tell him what to do, i'll bet he would appreciate it.
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« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2013, 11:36:24 PM »

Number #1 The guy is trying to break even in his first few years as mush as he can. When he took over, he said we will lose money the first 4-5 years and we expect that. Well he saw the Handle spike this year and is trying to keep that going.

Number#2 If any of you believe he did this without the promise of slots eventually, you who thought that are idiots.

there is no way he would do this if he wasn't promised eventually he would get them

Number#3. You think him and his investors would drop 100 million on a new grandstand for the hell of it?? No He knows where the old grandstand sits will be his casino, he is no dummy.

For those of you thinking he is ready to bail cause of his letter... Please, think of something else. He knows that when he get's it, it will be a gold mine and he will still keep racing upfront and center. All he is trying to do know is reduce his loses as much as possible. If you can't see that well, you are an idiot.

By The Way, last Fri they handled 2.7 million, tonight 2.939. All they need is competitive fields and they still can handle 3 mill with an 11 race card on Friday. Tomorrows card is very competitive after races 1 and 2 and a 3.5 mil handle is not out of the question

I am not going to be one to tell owners where to race there horses, but after seeing what this man does, When he get's slots, I would want to be on his good side so I can race for the best purses in the country.
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« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2013, 12:19:31 AM »

Number #1 The guy is trying to break even in his first few years as mush as he can. When he took over, he said we will lose money the first 4-5 years and we expect that. Well he saw the Handle spike this year and is trying to keep that going.

Number#2 If any of you believe he did this without the promise of slots eventually, you who thought that are idiots.

there is no way he would do this if he wasn't promised eventually he would get them

Number#3. You think him and his investors would drop 100 million on a new grandstand for the hell of it?? No He knows where the old grandstand sits will be his casino, he is no dummy.

For those of you thinking he is ready to bail cause of his letter... Please, think of something else. He knows that when he get's it, it will be a gold mine and he will still keep racing upfront and center. All he is trying to do know is reduce his loses as much as possible. If you can't see that well, you are an idiot.

By The Way, last Fri they handled 2.7 million, tonight 2.939. All they need is competitive fields and they still can handle 3 mill with an 11 race card on Friday. Tomorrows card is very competitive after races 1 and 2 and a 3.5 mil handle is not out of the question

I am not going to be one to tell owners where to race there horses, but after seeing what this man does, When he get's slots, I would want to be on his good side so I can race for the best purses in the country.

Jeff is trying hard.   I hope horsemen support him and support their customers the gamblers.
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« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2013, 01:01:21 PM »

Number #1 The guy is trying to break even in his first few years as mush as he can. When he took over, he said we will lose money the first 4-5 years and we expect that. Well he saw the Handle spike this year and is trying to keep that going.

Number#2 If any of you believe he did this without the promise of slots eventually, you who thought that are idiots.

there is no way he would do this if he wasn't promised eventually he would get them

Number#3. You think him and his investors would drop 100 million on a new grandstand for the hell of it?? No He knows where the old grandstand sits will be his casino, he is no dummy.

For those of you thinking he is ready to bail cause of his letter... Please, think of something else. He knows that when he get's it, it will be a gold mine and he will still keep racing upfront and center. All he is trying to do know is reduce his loses as much as possible. If you can't see that well, you are an idiot.

By The Way, last Fri they handled 2.7 million, tonight 2.939. All they need is competitive fields and they still can handle 3 mill with an 11 race card on Friday. Tomorrows card is very competitive after races 1 and 2 and a 3.5 mil handle is not out of the question

I am not going to be one to tell owners where to race there horses, but after seeing what this man does, When he get's slots, I would want to be on his good side so I can race for the best purses in the country.

So, in other words, you're an "idiot" if you don't think Jeff Gural is God, Himself.

And I guess you're Mr. Brilliant, the typical guy who thinks wealthy people never make mistakes or lose money.  So clueless...

Are you aware that Ted Turner, now worth approximately $2 billion lost roughly $7 billion on the AOL/Time Warner merger?
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« Reply #62 on: March 16, 2013, 02:03:52 PM »

juice..yea i am still ban..but i was in at one time ...that makes me ahead of you
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« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2013, 06:24:27 PM »

OK, so here is what happened with Gural:
He got the idea a few years ago to lease the Meadowlands. Then he called some architects and construction companies to see what a new facility would cost in an industry that was dying.
Then he went to all of his buddies with money and sold him on the idea of big returns on "The New Meadowlands."
And of course, these people with money are idiots, and ponied up almost $100 million in a shitty economy.
Then Gural said to himself,"Boy, I would really like to get a casino in East Rutherford, and if I pray long enough I just might get my wish." "But if not, harness racing is coming back and I will still profit."
That's how it happened...
OR...
He did his due diligence in Trenton and realized that they elect Governors every 4 years and the other politicians come and go as well.
He saw that there is big interest in his plan in North Jersey and probably had some assurances that it would go through.
Then he looked at the NJ economy and realized that a gold mine would eventually be welcomed in East Rutherford, because AC has been gasping for years.
You can't polish a turd, and at this point, that is what AC is, and he and a lot of people who count in this state know it.
South Jersey, at least south of say, Toms River was a wasteland prior to the first few casinos, and will revert to that. AC is a cesspool with or without casinos.
The money will shift to North Jersey instead of AC. Tough to miss in the biggest metropolitan area in the US.
The greedy politicians will jump when the chance comes to built in East Rutherford, possible as soon as the next administration change in Trenton.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gural became a big supporter and doner for a Christie for President campaign. It would get him out of the way, and would likely usher in a more supportive administration for a casino.
And no, I do not think JG is God. Not at all.  I do think he understands New Jersey and how things get done here.
After seeing all of this, he made a move. Is it guaranteed to work? No. Is it more likely than not? Absolutely.
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