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« on: March 14, 2013, 01:47:14 PM »

Open Letter
to all Owners and Trainers Racing in NY, NJ & PA
 
  As you know, the first twenty-nine days of
the 2013 meet at the Meadowlands have been an overwhelming success.  The public has adapted to the classification
system, along with the competitive style of racing full fields, etc. as our
handle is up approximately 33%.  Last
year we only had two days excluding the Hambletonian and Meadowlands Pace where
the handle exceeded $3 Million dollars.  This year we already exceeded $3 Million dollars on thirteen
occasions. 
  We are building a brand new grandstand as
anyone who has visited the track can see.   I assure you it will be a first
class facility and a place that you will be proud to come to with your family
or other guests.
  That is the good news.
  The bad news is that because all of our
income is derived from wagering and horse racing we need to continue to generate
handles of over $3 Million dollars every Friday and Saturday.  In order to do that we require full fields
and since we are only racing two days beginning next week essentially we need
250 horses each weekend to fill both cards. Last weekend we had twenty-five
fewer horses racing over the weekend and as a result our handle declined by
$508,000. 
  As we all know with Chester opening last week
and Pocono opening in another week, in order for those two tracks to fill their
cards they would probably need to have a minimum of an extra 1,000 horses
assuming both tracks race four days a week as scheduled and thirteen or fourteen
races per night which seems to be their plan. 
  Since both these tracks, as well as Yonkers, derive
the majority of their purse money from casino gambling they often have purses equal
or better than ours and most people think it is easier to win at those tracks
as long as you do not draw too many eight or nine holes.  I understand all that but the Meadowlands
cannot survive without having full fields and competitive races. The last two
months have shown that the product is extremely popular with the people who
wager on standardbred racing.  In fact,
on a typical Saturday night 40% of all the money bet at US tracks is wagered on
our product. 
  To be blunt, I need the industry to step up
and support the Meadowlands which may not be the best business decision for
everyone in the short term but, in my opinion, the industry needs a healthy
Meadowlands and we deserve the support of the industry. 
  The other option would be for us to
drastically reduce the stakes program which I think would help increase our
overnight purses but would have a very negative impact on the industry because
our stakes program is vital to support the breeding industry.  It also serves to attract new customers by
showcasing our best horses and creating the kind of excitement we see for our
major races.  This will be especially
true when we move into the new building. Currently we use 25% of our purse
money to fund the stakes program approximately $4,200,000 while our competitors
are typically using 10-12%. 
  To be honest, I am not sure there are enough
horses for all of the race days that are scheduled at Chester, Pocono, Yonkers,
Dover and the Meadowlands.  It would seem
at some point it should be addressed as the number of mares bred and yearlings
born each year continues to decline significantly.  Common sense would tell you that this has to
have an impact and that race days have to start to come down.  The bottom line is we cannot survive without
full fields as we get killed when we have six or seven horse races no matter
what the quality is.  We struggled to
fill the card with short fields the last two weekends and Pocono is not open
yet. 
  One possibility would be to work with Pocono
and Chester and try to come up with a schedule that would allow all of us to
have full fields and quality racing.  One
suggestion was to lower the purses in December, January and February when there
is an oversupply of horses and increase the purses when the Pennsylvania tracks
reopen.  Another option that we might
consider is a loyalty program whereby we create a formula that allows
preference to those horsemen who support us in the spring and summer when we
are racing the fall and winter meet.  
  I would rather see the industry support us on
a voluntary basis as I think it is in everyone’s best interest that we continue
to provide the type of product we have been providing for the last two and a
half months.  Hopefully I can count on
your support.
 
Jeff Gural
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2013, 02:01:03 PM »

SOUNDS,,LIKE ITS CURTAINS,,FOR A TRACK OR 2
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2013, 02:04:36 PM »

Yea...curtins for the big m
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 02:13:27 PM »

I don't think he will get any help from Pa or Yonkers.  Most of the
horses racing there are being trained by trainers who aren't allowed
at the Meadowlands.  Going to 2 nights a week he is losing 8 million
a month without Thursday.  I don't now how they will make that up.











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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2013, 04:20:16 PM »

There is an arrogance and sense of entitlement that Gural oozes.

I understand it is the Mecca.
I am not saying it isn't.
I framed my picture from the winners circle there.

But really?

I am glad Sears went to Yonkers.

You aren't entitled to anything Mr Gural.


Earn it.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2013, 04:24:10 PM »

I don't think he will get any help from Pa or Yonkers.  Most of the
horses racing there are being trained by trainers who aren't allowed
at the Meadowlands. 


or can race closer to home for bettter money....
whatever you wanna tell yourself Grin
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2013, 04:31:55 PM »

There is an arrogance and sense of entitlement that Gural oozes.

I understand it is the Mecca.
I am not saying it isn't.
I framed my picture from the winners circle there.

But really?

I am glad Sears went to Yonkers.

You aren't entitled to anything Mr Gural.


Earn it.

I agree with you 3WW.

If I owned horses in the northeast, I too would be racing at PCD or Chst or YR to try to earn the most & pay for those big owner's bills.  No chance I'd waste a sound horse or a hot horse on lower purses because Jeff Gural & a few other rich boys decided to roll the dice on getting gambling at their facility.

As I've said time & time again, M1 is doomed without gambling.  The industry needs to resume it's demise in live tracks until the demand matches the supply & can become self-sustaining.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2013, 05:16:21 PM »

Chester and Yonkers don't care about racing.
2 sewer pits in regards to racing.

Supporting them seems illogical.    Fans don't support them
If horsemen stood together and raced at the Meadowlands the long term result would be better for them.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2013, 05:27:49 PM »

Chester and Yonkers don't care about racing.
2 sewer pits in regards to racing.

Supporting them seems illogical.    Fans don't support them
If horsemen stood together and raced at the Meadowlands the long term result would be better for them.


spoken like someone who has not one part of his income based on purse $.
stfu already numbie nutty buddy Cheesy
now run along & be a good lil observer from the outside looking in nyah
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2013, 05:40:28 PM »

I realize everyone sees things the way they will see it or read it, and if people don't like JG they will see it the way they want. I read this 3 times. All I am reading is an owner who made an investment, and is asking for horseman to partner with him for the long term good of his track and the industry. Of course he is a businessman and of course he invested because of the hope of a casino, I just don't get how that's a problem.
I guess a businessman is supposed to buy a racetrack and sink all his own money without asking for a partnership from others?
I know most of you hate hockey and don't know the story of the Islanders. Long story short, Charles Wang (of Computer Associates) bought the team years back with the hopes of keeping the team on L.I. And growing the surrounding area and building a new arena. Is he a businessman, YES. He invested his millions and lost $10 million a year for about 10 years, never received new building or opportunity to build and invest in the surrounding area. This is a somewhat simililar story. What happened? Team is gone, moving to another arena in another area (Brooklyn). Do people who love the game want to see the Meadowlands fail also? I am curious.
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2013, 05:48:15 PM »

I realize everyone sees things the way they will see it or read it, and if people don't like JG they will see it the way they want. I read this 3 times. All I am reading is an owner who made an investment, and is asking for horseman to partner with him for the long term good of his track and the industry. Of course he is a businessman and of course he invested because of the hope of a casino, I just don't get how that's a problem.
I guess a businessman is supposed to buy a racetrack and sink all his own money without asking for a partnership from others?
I know most of you hate hockey and don't know the story of the Islanders. Long story short, Charles Wang (of Computer Associates) bought the team years back with the hopes of keeping the team on L.I. And growing the surrounding area and building a new arena. Is he a businessman, YES. He invested his millions and lost $10 million a year for about 10 years, never received new building or opportunity to build and invest in the surrounding area. This is a somewhat simililar story. What happened? Team is gone, moving to another arena in another area (Brooklyn). Do people who love the game want to see the Meadowlands fail also? I am curious.
The Long Island Ducks out of the Commack arena were my fav.team popcorn
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2013, 05:53:53 PM »

Chester and Yonkers don't care about racing.
2 sewer pits in regards to racing.

Supporting them seems illogical.   

So if you lose every night betting M1, you will continue to "support" them?

Gural doesn't give a crap about you or the horsemen.  Yes, I agree that he does care about the sport but for horsemen, it seems illogical to support him.  They have to support themselves because in the long run, what do you not understand in this statement: M1 is doomed without casino money.


I guess a businessman is supposed to buy a racetrack and sink all his own money without asking for a partnership from others?
I know most of you hate hockey and don't know the story of the Islanders. Long story short, Charles Wang (of Computer Associates) bought the team years back with the hopes of keeping the team on L.I. And growing the surrounding area and building a new arena. Is he a businessman, YES. He invested his millions and lost $10 million a year for about 10 years, never received new building or opportunity to build and invest in the surrounding area. This is a somewhat simililar story. What happened? Team is gone, moving to another arena in another area (Brooklyn). Do people who love the game want to see the Meadowlands fail also? I am curious.

Funny, how when Wayne Huizenga & the Marlins won the World Series, he took all the blame for letting the players go when they refused to take a cut in pay.  The thought was "Huizenga is wealth, he can afford to lose a few dollars".  In fact, he was a hated man for it.

Why is the shoe on the other foot here?

Gural didn't get with the horsemen last year & say: "Look, I'm going to lease this place, build a new grandstand for $100 billion & hope to get casino's.  No guarantees but are you guys willing to take a cut in purses while you wait?"

And so what, so the Islanders are magically gone to Brooklyn.  So you make the 45 minute drive.  I assume the smarter taxpayer in Nassau County didn't want to fork over the big money to keep the precious sport of hockey there.  Your memories of Clark Gillies, Billy Smith, the Potvin Bros & Bryan Trottier are already more than 35 years old.  Get over it.
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2013, 06:01:42 PM »

The Long Island Ducks out of the Commack arena were my fav.team popcorn

I knew it as the L.I. Arena & Rick Barry, Billy Paultz, Bill Melchioni...
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2013, 06:10:58 PM »

I knew it as the L.I. Arena & Rick Barry, Billy Paultz, Bill Melchioni...
Dolfan, what you are referring to is the Island Garden. It was in West Hempstead. The Ducks hockey team played in Suffolk County in Commack.
The league they played in was like Slap shot laughing guy
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2013, 06:22:05 PM »

Dolfan, what you are referring to is the Island Garden. It was in West Hempstead. The Ducks hockey team played in Suffolk County in Commack.
The league they played in was like Slap shot laughing guy
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2013, 06:25:50 PM »

I don't remember anything called the Island Garden but hey, I wasn't even 10!  So Dad must've been calling it the L.I. Arena.  

I never went to a Knicks game until I worked in Manhattan & have still never been to a Rangers game.  For me, it was always the Nets & Islanders.  

Does Brooklyn seems strange for me?  Sure does, but I understand it looks a lot better now.

Bottom line here is Gural is making his pleas now.  First he's the big man on campus buying the place, then he treats the top guys in the sport (Brennan & Sears) like they are not welcomed, throws out the "cheaters" with no evidence, which I am not against & then starts begging horsemen to be his "partner".  He may love the sport but do you think for a second, that he'd own VD & Tgn without slots?   He's a business man, making his own decisions, which I am very much pro but he has no right begging to be saved by someone else.  They are not his partners, the same that the gambler is not Steve Wynn's partner.  They have to play by his rules, he is the house.  

Case closed.
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2013, 06:36:07 PM »

Dolfan, what you are referring to is the Island Garden. It was in West Hempstead. The Ducks hockey team played in Suffolk County in Commack.
The league they played in was like Slap shot laughing guy

John Brophe!

I went there a lot when I was young
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2013, 06:36:23 PM »

I don't remember anything called the Island Garden but hey, I wasn't even 10!  So Dad must've been calling it the L.I. Arena.  

I never went to a Knicks game until I worked in Manhattan & have still never been to a Rangers game.  For me, it was always the Nets & Islanders.  

Does Brooklyn seems strange for me?  Sure does, but I understand it looks a lot better now.

Bottom line here is Gural is making his pleas now.  First he's the big man on campus buying the place, then he treats the top guys in the sport (Brennan & Sears) like they are not welcomed, throws out the "cheaters" with no evidence, which I am not against & then starts begging horsemen to be his "partner".  He may love the sport but do you think for a second, that he'd own VD & Tgn without slots?   He's a business man, making his own decisions, which I am very much pro but he has no right begging to be saved by someone else.  They are not his partners, the same that the gambler is not Steve Wynn's partner.  They have to play by his rules, he is the house.  

Case closed.
When the Nets came into existence they might have been in NJ in the late 60's. They moved to LI and played at the Island Garden in West Hempstead. Rick Barry was their big star back then. In 73 or 74 they moved to Nassau Coliseum. The ABA was cool back then. It was fun to watch. They had the red white and blue ball, they had 3 pointers which the NBA never had.
Dr J came later and the Nets won ABA titles with Billy Paultz, Larry Kenon, John Williamson, etc.
To answer your early point. I admit, I am living in past about the Islanders much in the same way many in NY never got over the Brooklyn Dodgers leaving.
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2013, 06:41:07 PM »

Tioga and Vernon are on the horizon. Two more tracks opening diluting the horse pool.
Close em down. Oh, wait can't! both owned by Gural.  sarcasm
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2013, 06:41:30 PM »

I was all prepared for the Marlins to move from South Florida when Miami got sucked into building them a stadium.  In just a matter of time the Marlins will still move because no one will go to their games.  I assume that was the case with the Islanders.  40 year old arena, most people are pissed about the NHL, bad playoff system makes the games meaningless.

L.A. promised & gave the Dodgers everything when they moved.  You could've hated them but you couldn't blame them.
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2013, 06:42:18 PM »

John Brophe!

I went there a lot when I was young
he was the player coach~~my hero bowing
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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2013, 06:45:41 PM »

The Long Island Ducks out of the Commack arena were my fav.team popcorn

The Broome Dusters kicked their ass
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2013, 06:49:40 PM »

extorman..gural has yet to say what the horsemen... that stick with him will recieve in the way of benefits....all know that the main oblect for gural propping the meds up is the hopes of casino gaming...in ny and pa and del and now ohio  they have to race to have the slots,  it is the horse racing that brings them to the dance...in nj  if ac fails and the casino ends up ain east rutherford the is nothing in the law to support horse racing..hey jeff   how about horseman take a little cut in purses and and stay here with me and when i get the casino i will share X amount % of my handle with you....
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2013, 07:16:46 PM »

spoken like someone who has not one part of his income based on purse $.
stfu already numbie nutty buddy Cheesy
now run along & be a good lil observer from the outside looking in nyah

So in order to have an opinion I must derive money from purses?
I am the customer, I derive money from pools.

Go take a swim and please wear cement shoes, you can breath water take deep breaths.
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2013, 07:21:21 PM »

juice jerkoff..when jeff gets his way  the only pools will be slot or table..not horses
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