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Author Topic: Flashback VS. Goldencents  (Read 511 times)
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« on: March 08, 2013, 04:07:40 PM »

Who do you think will be the best horse in the San Felipe?

$300,000 San Felipe Stakes (gr. II, Race 7, 3:35 p.m.), 3YOs, 1 1/16 Miles
PP. Horse, Jockey, Weight, Trainer
1. Carving (KY), R Bejarano, 118, B Baffert
2. Flashback (KY), J R Leparoux, 123, B Baffert
3. Goldencents (KY), K Krigger, 120, D F O'Neill
4. Kochees (KY), J Valdivia Jr., 118, M Pender
5. Hear the Ghost (KY), C S Nakatani, 118, J Hollendorfer
6. Tiz a Minister (CA), G K Gomez, 118, P G Aguirre
7. Salutos Amigos (KY), M Garcia, 118, E J Guillot
8. Omega Star (CA), J Talamo, 118, J A Shirreffs
Blinkers On: Kochees

Or can you find another horse to beat both?
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2013, 06:17:27 PM »

Flashback.   Goldencents was all out to beat the last field. I don't think it will be close
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2013, 02:10:26 PM »

Forget flashback, he will fold up like a cheap accordion once he's pressured.
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2013, 04:53:02 PM »

I like Kochees. Expect a huge effort.
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2013, 05:01:23 PM »

Forget flashback, he will fold up like a cheap accordion once he's pressured.
He doesn't need the lead. In his maiden race, he sat off the pace and ran everyone down.
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2013, 06:08:42 PM »

He doesn't need the lead. In his maiden race, he sat off the pace and ran everyone down.

If he can sit on the outside, but from post 1, he's going to come running out of there, it might be hard to rate back, angle out and sit his trip.....tough spot to run that same style. I like the outside horse, hopefully he can get a good closing trip, he's a bit headstrong i just gotta hope Talamo can rate him along properly, he's super talented despite the 'slowish' Beyers.
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2013, 06:50:19 PM »

Hear the ghost ! Jerry gets them both!
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2013, 06:56:32 PM »

If he can sit on the outside, but from post 1, he's going to come running out of there, it might be hard to rate back, angle out and sit his trip.....tough spot to run that same style. I like the outside horse, hopefully he can get a good closing trip, he's a bit headstrong i just gotta hope Talamo can rate him along properly, he's super talented despite the 'slowish' Beyers.
He didn't have the rail. He was the 2. Thought Flashback raced great since he was up close with the fast fractions. Goldencents is nothing, Huge Close From Hear The Truth.
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2013, 10:39:03 PM »

I notice that HRTV analyst Christina Blacker was all over Hear The Ghost to be the upset winner. Corey Nakatani the winning rider on that one. Looks like Jerry Hollendorfer has himself a good Derby horse.

Maybe the rides of Julien Leparoux and Kevin Krigger could be questionable but maybe for their next starts they could take back their horses which Flashback took back in his debut and Goldencents did when he won the Sham Stakes.
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2013, 01:55:33 AM »

I expect Flashback to have a new Jock for the Santa Anita Derby
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2013, 10:46:22 AM »

Kevin Krigger's quote after the race:

“Coming into the first turn, I got him to turn off (relax), and I was surprised, as good of a rider as Julien is supposed to be, the move he made around the turn to make us have a dogfight race all the way around,” said Krigger. “Turning into the backstretch, that’s like committing suicide, you know?
“If we’re going that fast easily, that’s understandable, but to pressure a race like that…being on a favorite, that’s not a favorite’s ride at all. He (Leparoux) had the ideal scenario going into the first turn, and I mean, my horse came up tired today. There’s not much else I can say.”

http://blogs.courier-journal.com/racing/2013/03/09/hear-the-ghost-materializes-out-of-nowhere-to-beat-flashback/

IMO I don't think jockeys shouldn't throw their peers under the bus.

Actually Krigger should be criticizing his own ride too as his ride was questionable too.
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2013, 10:56:09 AM »

 The 7 was obviously going to the lead.  They both should have waited.  Doug was on radio hinting goldencents was going to the lead.  Krigs comments were right on regarding julien.  In all jockeys defense, this new point system puts pressure on them to do stupid stuff.
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2013, 04:56:35 PM »

The 7 was obviously going to the lead.  They both should have waited.  Doug was on radio hinting goldencents was going to the lead.  Krigs comments were right on regarding julien.  In all jockeys defense, this new point system puts pressure on them to do stupid stuff.

It's just unprofessional his comments.
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2013, 07:07:25 PM »

Maybe a little "in your face," but pretty enlightening.  I wish we saw more comments like that in sports, instead of all that bland sanitized stuff.
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2013, 01:20:05 PM »

I expect Flashback to have a new Jock for the Santa Anita Derby

Julian Replaced By Gomez


http://www.drf.com/news/flashback-have-gomez-aboard-santa-anita-derby
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2013, 01:58:05 PM »

Garrett Gomez aboard. Kind of saw it coming.
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