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Author Topic: for the 4th consecutive year--synthetics has safer than dirt  (Read 3581 times)
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« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2013, 05:26:10 AM »

Just wondering, Al -- who is the biggest "name" horse to have raced on the synthetics in the UK? Any Group I horses?

Sorry to gravedig but Elusive Kate (mutiple group 1 winner and who won yesterdays G1 Falmouth at Newmarket) broke her maiden on the Poly at Kempton
June 15, 2011 as a 2 year old. :-)

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« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2013, 06:59:11 AM »

Sorry to gravedig but Elusive Kate...

Who?

 Huh

Hey, how is that Godolphin "Next Big Thing That Started On Poly" horse doing? Secret Number, was it? (Still a Big Secret...)

 laughing guy

Keep digging, Al -- random chance dictates that SOMEDAY, some horse that started on poly will actually do something significant...and then you can bask in *that* glory.

Meanwhile, another fake surface goes away when Hollywood Park closes later this year.

Ah, Synthetic! Savior of Racing As We Know It.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2013, 09:04:33 AM »

Who?

 

LOL. Elusive Kate beat this year Guineas winner, Sky Lantern.

if you know anything about Euro racing the Falmouth is a nice G1 race with plenty
of previous winners who you might know (goldikova anyone?)

why are you so dismissive of an obvious good horse. oh yeah she broke her maiden on poly.

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« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2013, 09:48:02 AM »

why are you so dismissive of an obvious good horse. oh yeah she broke her maiden on poly.


No, Al -- it's because I don't give a fig about English racing. Nor does the average American horse racing fan.

When you can come up with a significant horse that cut his teeth on poly, that someone in the U.S. has heard of! -- then let's play. These obscure runners at tucked away foreign tracks = weak sauce.
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« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2013, 10:03:13 AM »

No, Al -- it's because I don't give a fig about English racing. Nor does the average American horse racing fan.

When you can come up with a significant horse that cut his teeth on poly, that someone in the U.S. has heard of! -- then let's play. These obscure runners at tucked away foreign tracks = weak sauce.

LOL. Euro horses far, far superior to the dreck running at your average American track.

Sorry thats just the way it is.

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« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2013, 10:10:18 AM »

LOL. Euro horses far, far superior to the dreck running at your average American track.

Sorry thats just the way it is.

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You're an even bigger fruitcake than I thought, then.

1. I'm HERE, in the U.S.  Racing that is 7 hours ahead of my day -- WTF am I going to do with that?

2. Euro racing is "better"? Really? Are you making a consistent profit on it, over time? If not -- why bother?

The money they pay on American racing spends just as well as that from foreign racing...and with American racing, first post is NOT 8 am!

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« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2013, 10:47:46 AM »


I'm HERE, in the U.S. 

OK, what does your location have anything to do with the racing product presented worldwide.

it doesn't.

that you choose not to bet on a superior racing product is your choice and has nothing to do with the location in the world you are.

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« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2013, 11:03:21 AM »

OK, what does your location have anything to do with the racing product presented worldwide.

it doesn't.

Of course it does.

How the hell can I follow a circuit that does most of its running in the morning, when I am asleep, or at work?

that you choose not to bet on a superior racing product is your choice and has nothing to do with the location in the world you are.

Maybe you are betting at work. Some of us have real jobs, with real rules against such behavior.
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« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2013, 07:05:21 AM »

Up early to watch the euros racing.

can't help but post this little item from the racing post

Elusive Kate, the Falmouth Stakes winner was in no danger of causing any interference as she breezed up the Al Bahathri Polytrack in splendid isolation. The four-year-old, who was partnered as usual by Rab Havlin, will attempt back-to-back victories in the Prix Rothschild at Deauville at Sunday.

I guess John Gosden doesn't know that Polytrack causes injuries to horses.

face it, HV there is overwhelming evidence that polytrack is better than dirt for horses. (training and racing)

But you'll ignore the facts and keep on ranting about synthetics.

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« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2013, 08:41:04 AM »

Maybe you are betting at work. Some of us have real jobs, with real rules against such behavior.

And yet he always somehow manages to get down on the work hours U.S. races at intervals much more frequent than weekly, as a true gambling addict "regular horse player" always does. Amazing.
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« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2013, 09:30:10 AM »

And yet he always somehow manages to get down on the work hours U.S. races at intervals much more frequent than weekly, as a true gambling addict "regular horse player" always does. Amazing.

You're quite the cheap shot artist yourself, aren't you? What a fvcking hypocrite you are, crying about ad hominem attacks from me. Where I grew up, if you could dish it out but you couldn't take it, you got immediately labeled a pvssy.

I said my work hours conflict with Euro racing, not U.S. racing, and anyway, there is nothing amazing about having time to wager to people that don't spend their every waking hour on this Forum, such as yourself.

And if you equate everyday play with being a gambling addict, that's YOUR problem...one that you might want to keep to yourself. Seriously, if being GA is what is keeping you from playing the horses, I will back off.
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« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2013, 09:37:27 AM »

Up early to watch the euros racing.

can't help but post this little item from the racing post

Elusive Kate, the Falmouth Stakes winner was in no danger of causing any interference as she breezed up the Al Bahathri Polytrack in splendid isolation. The four-year-old, who was partnered as usual by Rab Havlin, will attempt back-to-back victories in the Prix Rothschild at Deauville at Sunday.

I guess John Gosden doesn't know that Polytrack causes injuries to horses.

So...you are using an example of a horse working out as an example of how safe synthetics are?

Really? This is your best stuff?

face it, HV there is overwhelming evidence that polytrack is better than dirt for horses. (training and racing)

But you'll ignore the facts and keep on ranting about synthetics.
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Trading one brand of injuries for another isn't my idea of "better", and I don't need to "rant about synthetics" anymore: we lose another fake surface track when Hollywood closes, continuing the trend of LESS synthetic tracks in the U.S., not more. Fine with me.

(And, save your gushing about synthetics overseas, in the UK, Dubai, etc. Hardly anyone in the U.S. cares.)
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« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2013, 09:55:07 AM »

CHOMP!

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« Reply #63 on: July 27, 2013, 09:55:43 AM »

CHOMP!

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« Reply #64 on: July 27, 2013, 09:57:51 AM »

I heard Claritin sales have sky rocketed in Arlington Heights so may be some truth to the kick back....

The jockeys will definitely agree that the PT is more dangerous as they stick into the poly when they fall instead of rolling which is what happens on the dirt.
2 jockeys paralyzed at AP DURING 1 SEASON..Rene Douglass & Michael Straight.

I personally like dirt/turf as not a huge fan of the PT..mot of my gamblin friends are in agreement.

That being said,  I believe it is here to stay (in 1 form or another) so just have to adjust capping accordingly.

Good luck to all playin today  dollar
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« Reply #65 on: July 27, 2013, 10:02:48 AM »

That being said,  I believe it is here to stay (in 1 form or another) so just have to adjust capping accordingly.

Or simply play another track. Never understood all the angst about poly when there's so few tracks of it, and so much choice of alternative product out there.
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« Reply #66 on: July 27, 2013, 10:14:46 AM »

Never understood all the angst about poly...

More evidence of you either not playing much anymore...or maybe you were never much of a handicapper to begin with.

Poly at AP all but destroyed years of knowledge gained from handicapping and gambling on dirt races at AP: horse population preferences, trainer moves / prep methods, bias trends, etc...all gone.

What am I thinking? OF COURSE you don't get it.  head shake

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« Reply #67 on: July 27, 2013, 10:17:02 AM »



Ooooh, you got me!

Why, you weren't making a personal attack on me! No, sir!

You were TROLLING. Nice that you finally admit it.

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« Reply #68 on: July 27, 2013, 10:19:15 AM »

Ooooh, you got me!

Why, you weren't making a personal attack on me! No, sir!

You reap what you sow, fish.
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« Reply #69 on: July 27, 2013, 10:49:15 AM »

You reap what you sow, fish.

Uh huh.

You kvetch and moan about personal attacks and trolling one day, then engage in those very same activities the next...

You think you are fooling anybody, C&E?  screwy

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« Reply #70 on: July 27, 2013, 10:52:17 AM »

Hey Terry, are you going to bet on any horses today?


Or are you just going to hang out here all day...again?


Gotta go, good cards, good betting opportunities today...you keep posting racing marginalia & keep filling those servers!
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« Reply #71 on: July 27, 2013, 10:32:49 PM »

Hey Terry, are you going to bet on any horses today?

Yes, yes I did. It was a good day. Hot again, though.

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Or are you just going to hang out here all day...again?

Like you were apparently doing as evidenced by this post after I already left, you mean?

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you keep posting racing marginalia & keep filling those servers!

And you be sure to come back and post your usual utter bullshit that doesn't even rate as marginalia, fish.
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« Reply #72 on: July 28, 2013, 08:54:09 AM »

Elusive Kate wins the Prix Rothchild today  beer

That Gosden guy sure doesn't know anything.  head shake

Training and racing on synthetics causes injuries to horses every dummy knows that.

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« Reply #73 on: July 28, 2013, 09:59:47 AM »

Elusive Kate wins the Prix

Who? And...they won pricks?

:::yawn:::

Hey, what's on TV?
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« Reply #74 on: July 28, 2013, 10:55:52 AM »

Who? And...they won pricks?

:::yawn:::

Hey, what's on TV?

Quarter horse racing marginalia in your case, apparently.
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