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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2013, 12:18:19 PM »

Well said.

I will admit to a certain amount of curmudgeon-like attitude on my part about kids at the track: I wasn't allowed to hang around at any "adult" places when I was a kid, and now that I am an adult I sure as hell don't want to have to deal with anyone else's whining, crying, and misbehaving brats at these same places: race track, Las Vegas, a bar last week, come on! If they start showing up at my nudie club or my opium den, I am *really* going to be pissed!

Now you struck a nerve...Las Vegas. I have to go to Vegas several times a year and am always amazed at how many people are walking through the casinos with little ones. Talk about a place with nothing for kids to do. It grinds my gears every time.
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« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2013, 02:12:38 PM »

Hawthorne is a great place!
The signage and atmosphere is very professional.
All the staff are genuinely friendly and I feel appreciated.
It is the best cold weather racing facility anywhere.
And better than many other tracks in the spring and fall.
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« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2013, 02:19:56 PM »

The only place you ever really see kids at Hawthorne is ground floor, with the exception of a couple that belong to one particular table on the 2nd. If you want to get away from them there's all sort of places to go, including, for some, the secret high rollers' room.
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« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2013, 05:36:16 PM »

I take my daughter(s) to AP as many times as I can.  Great family environment, which helps GROW the sport.  If I took them to Haw I would have to put lojacks on them.  Get "ripped" here, your so pathetic you throw out race cards when your getting beat, talk about a goober.  Yes, Hawthorne does a much better job at promotions and customer service because they have to.  Does Wrigley have dollar hot dog night and half priced ticket night?  No, because they don't have to.
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« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2013, 06:26:05 PM »

Great family environment, which helps GROW the sport. 

Infinitesimally, at best.

Kids have no real disposable income, and by the time today's kids can afford to gamble, the game is unlikely to be around any more.

Plus, when they end up carrying around YOUR baggage -- "AP, good...Haw, BAD!"...and they will -- what do you have?

NOTHING. One cancels the other. So don't break your arm patting yourself on the back, Mr. "Good Father".  head shake
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« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2013, 06:52:02 PM »

This continual comparison of AP to HAW is stupid.  Each has their strengths and weaknesses. Both have to play a role if racing in Illinois is going to thrive.  I understand how it is possible to prefer one site over the other.  I don't understand why it is assumed you are either a HAW guy or an AP guy, and if you prefer one you must hate the other. I prefer AP because it is 10 minutes from my house, but I don't hate HAW.  I don't understand the necessity to trash either place every time the opportunity arises.
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« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2013, 09:23:20 PM »

This continual comparison of AP to HAW is stupid.  Each has their strengths and weaknesses. Both have to play a role if racing in Illinois is going to thrive.  I understand how it is possible to prefer one site over the other.  I don't understand why it is assumed you are either a HAW guy or an AP guy, and if you prefer one you must hate the other. I prefer AP because it is 10 minutes from my house, but I don't hate HAW.  I don't understand the necessity to trash either place every time the opportunity arises.

This has been going on since the start of the forum.  It might be a city vs suburbs thing.  I love Arlington but have not been happy with what is currently going on there.  I respect Hawthorne as to what they are trying to do to keep racing, but not the facilities and location.  We do need both. What flares up here every so often is the strong emotional attachment that some have to their tracks.  Then we get comments that Hawthorne is a dump and Mr. D is worse than the devil and away it goes.  Happens several times a year.
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« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2013, 09:42:21 PM »

This has been going on since the start of the forum.  It might be a city vs suburbs thing.  I love Arlington but have not been happy with what is currently going on there.  I respect Hawthorne as to what they are trying to do to keep racing, but not the facilities and location.  We do need both. What flares up here every so often is the strong emotional attachment that some have to their tracks.  Then we get comments that Hawthorne is a dump and Mr. D is worse than the devil and away it goes.  Happens several times a year.
A good point.Hawthorne and Arlington are two offerings in a business.If you do not like one go to the other.If neither one appeals to you,search until you find one that is.That applies to the horsemen and fans alike.
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« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2013, 09:44:13 PM »

This has been going on since the start of the forum.  It might be a city vs suburbs thing.

Actually, it started in about 1998 on other forums, after Dick D. took his ball and went home in 1997, and a bunch of Internet idiots started dumping on Hawthorne for having the nerve to stay open and offer an alternative to the Illinois horsemen, and racing was at Hawthorne. HOW DARE THEY!
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« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2013, 10:09:12 PM »

Actually, it started in about 1998 on other forums, after Dick D. took his ball and went home in 1997

This is precisely correct.

I *loved* AP before this -- couldn't get enough of the place -- and I didn't care much for Hawthorne at the time.

(As a bettor, my heart was with the old Sportsmans Park (pre-fake track, of course), but when SPT closed, most of the old NJC folks migrated over to Hawthorne, and you could see the transformation happening there into a truly fan-friendly place.)

When Dick D. uttered his now infamous line to the pols in Springfield: "I will not preside over the decline of racing in Illinois", the hair on my neck stood straight out, as I thought, who does this f'n old coot think HE is? He might "preside" over AP, but other than that, he doesn't preside over shit in Illinois racing.

I've been boycotting AP ever since. When RLD goes away, I might go back...if CDI doesn't sell the place first.
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« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2013, 11:25:10 PM »

Back before that time, I think we as fans pretty much considered Illinois racing Illinois racing, and liked and accepted all the tracks, even though Dick was still busy trying to pooch everyone else, by implementing recapture the second he could, and screwing patrons with an on track surcharge, and whatever.

But when Dick D. closed down his palace and the posters that are now known as Arlington Huggers starting blaming Hawthorne for Arlington remaining out of business by picking up the summer dates, and dumping on the track and all the improvements they made that first summer, that's when the battle lines were drawn. APCD Dan I know you remember all that on the Derby List. I'm sure others like HV and Ed who were around at the time do as well.   
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