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« on: February 23, 2013, 05:37:03 PM »

at Hawthorne. They're interviewing him now.
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2013, 06:13:16 PM »

Mr. Walsh is making good things happen at Hawthorne.
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2013, 06:37:35 PM »

He's gotta pay taxes on that.
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2013, 07:01:26 PM »

OT, Did anyone see that horse collapse in the strecth today at Haw?  I was outside watching, Im guessing heart attack, he was laying completely lifeless.  Anyone know?
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2013, 07:34:31 PM »

OT, Did anyone see that horse collapse in the strecth today at Haw?  I was outside watching, Im guessing heart attack, he was laying completely lifeless.  Anyone know?

Iron Vow in the 4th?
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2013, 08:10:41 PM »

OT, Did anyone see that horse collapse in the strecth today at Haw?  I was outside watching, Im guessing heart attack, he was laying completely lifeless.  Anyone know?

Horses collapse on the track sometimes, not being totally insensitive to a horse in trouble or worse, but...it takes a SPECIAL kind of buzzkill j/o to mention it in the same thread as one where someone FINALLY got the damn $10K from a mystery voucher.

Can Hawthorne do ANYTHING right for you petty f'n haters out there?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2013, 08:24:56 PM »

Hv, I didnt want to start a whole thread on it, thats why I chose a current thread pertaining to HAW.  Stop being a little Bit@@.  "Can Hawthorne do anything right?"  I dont blame HAW for what happened, I was just wondering if anyone heard anything.  I was in attendance today, saw it happen, and am just curious if the horse made it or not.  You and unbalanced Terry are the overprotective parent of Haw, its laughable. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2013, 01:01:49 PM »

Hv, I didnt want to start a whole thread on it, thats why I chose a current thread pertaining to HAW.

When is an injured and potentially life-threatened horse not worth its own thread herescrewy 

You and unbalanced Terry are the overprotective parent of Haw, its laughable. 

What's laughable is that you seem to go to Hawthorne all the time, but never have a kind word about the place. Win much? (I doubt it.)
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2013, 04:29:16 PM »

Your a such a loser HV.  I have no will to have a school girl squabble with you on here.  Like I said before, I'm not hard to find.
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2013, 12:45:51 AM »

Your a such a loser HV.  I have no will to have a school girl squabble with you on here.

LOL @ "school girl" characterization -- my exact thoughts of your raining on Hawthorne's parade (again), this time with the "Debbie Downer" news about a stricken horse. That is precisely the kind of crap jealous little school girls pull.

You don't like Hawthorne, fine, don't go there. You won't be missed.
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2013, 10:33:44 AM »

I think he must like it a little bit, since he's there so often.
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2013, 12:14:37 PM »

Mr. Walsh is making good things happen at Hawthorne.
Haven't they always had these mystery voucher promos,or was this a brand new idea?What about the greatest GM ever,Mr. Miller? Wink Wink Grin
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2013, 01:30:00 PM »

Haven't they always had these mystery voucher promos,or was this a brand new idea?What about the greatest GM ever,Mr. Miller? Wink Wink Grin

This is one that actually got CASHED. Must be John's work!
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2013, 02:01:37 PM »

THEY'VE DONE MYTERY VOUCHERS EVERY MEET AS LONG AS i CAN REMEMBER - like most they are $2, $5, $10 vouchers.  This time the $10k got cashed.  Kudos
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2013, 04:23:41 PM »

Never said I don't like going to Haw, just said it was a dump,  and I stand by that.  Arlington is a far superior venue.  Haw does bury AP in customer relations and marketing, but still not somewhere I'd bring my kids.  It is nice to see Haw putting money into the facility, it is definely on the up.  Hv, you obviously have some deep emotional ties to Haw, get over it. 
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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2013, 06:06:57 PM »

I do like the one with the car keys fitting the door lock.Didn't they used to have to start the car?
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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2013, 07:01:08 PM »

I was at Haw a year or two ago when the lady turned the key and started the car, I think it was sponsored by Mancari, it was cool to see someone win a car. 
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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2013, 07:05:51 PM »

Janine was in it one year. Didn't win.
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2013, 07:45:29 PM »

The man just ahead of me had the winning key.

So close Tongue

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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2013, 08:59:44 PM »

I do like the one with the car keys fitting the door lock.Didn't they used to have to start the car?

I think they went with the key in the door instead of the ignition when some people had a hard time fitting in the front seat.  It was sort of funny but embarrassing for the large people.  Everybody did watch the contest, even at the OTB.
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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2013, 11:11:41 PM »

Never said I don't like going to Haw, just said it was a dump,  and I stand by that.

Which is why you get ripped here. A "dump"? You're simply out of you mind. It's a racetrack, goober; just because Dick D. built a castle in tribute to his own ego doesn't at all make it the standard for how a racetrack should look and feel.

At least when it come to outward appearances, the Hawthorne plant is more accurate reflection of the level of racing being conducted there; the racing at AP will *never* be of a quality befitting the beloved "Taj Duch".  

Arlington is a far superior venue.  Haw does bury AP in customer relations and marketing, but still not somewhere I'd bring my kids.

More lunacy. If Haw buries AP in customer relations and marketing, then how on earth could AP be the "far superior venue"? The racing is pretty much the same at AP (save for Million day) as Hawthorne. What is it that is "far superior" about AP, not being able to buy a beer or take a piss in less than 20 minutes on big attendance days? All for you, bud.

As far as not bringing your kids to Hawthorne, bravo! They don't belong there. The thing is, they don't belong at AP, neither, nor any other place where the 3 main activities are Drinking and Gambling and Swearing.

It is nice to see Haw putting money into the facility, it is definely on the up.

So...is it a "dump"...or not?   dunno

Hv, you obviously have some deep emotional ties to Haw, get over it. 

Get over what? As long as there are goofballs like you around taking ill-informed and unfair shots at the place, I will be around to defend it; that's just my sense of fairness at work. YOU are the one with some sort of emotional hair-trigger that goes off anytime it might look like someone has something nice to say about the joint. Better check yourself, sport.
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2013, 09:48:41 AM »

My son turns 7 on Saturday. For his birthday he wants to go to Chicago to see our horses and to watch the races. I guess Horse Voice will not be happy that I am bringing him into that environment. I have rarely seen a kid at the racetrack who isn't having fun, HV.
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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2013, 11:06:24 AM »

My son turns 7 on Saturday. For his birthday he wants to go to Chicago to see our horses and to watch the races. I guess Horse Voice will not be happy that I am bringing him into that environment. I have rarely seen a kid at the racetrack who isn't having fun, HV.

I should clarify this, I suppose, and I have an alternative view on your last comment.

1. Each child is different. Some are more "worldly" than others, and can handle themselves nicely when around adult activities. Of my 3 boys, one fits this description, and yes, I used to bring him to the track on occasion...not at age 7, though -- that would be a WHOLE lot of "worldly". Is your son shaving already?  Grin

2. You own horses. This is a TOTALLY different story when a parent is bringing the kids to see your very own horses run. Contrast with dragging 3 or so toddler / grade school types out to the track, simply because mom and dad want to gamble but won't pay a sitter. If the tracks here get casinos, this will only get worse.

3. Re: hardly ever seen a kid not having fun, may I call you this weekend the first time some poor kid has had enough of 6+ hours at the track, and is having a crying fit because he wants to go home, while mom and dad are trying to shhhhh him so they can stick around for the late double at Cal-Expo? I see that more than I should, and I'm getting damn close to giving parents like that an earful they will never forget.
 
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2013, 11:46:39 AM »

I should clarify this, I suppose, and I have an alternative view on your last comment.

1. Each child is different. Some are more "worldly" than others, and can handle themselves nicely when around adult activities. Of my 3 boys, one fits this description, and yes, I used to bring him to the track on occasion...not at age 7, though -- that would be a WHOLE lot of "worldly". Is your son shaving already?  Grin

2. You own horses. This is a TOTALLY different story when a parent is bringing the kids to see your very own horses run. Contrast with dragging 3 or so toddler / grade school types out to the track, simply because mom and dad want to gamble but won't pay a sitter. If the tracks here get casinos, this will only get worse.

3. Re: hardly ever seen a kid not having fun, may I call you this weekend the first time some poor kid has had enough of 6+ hours at the track, and is having a crying fit because he wants to go home, while mom and dad are trying to shhhhh him so they can stick around for the late double at Cal-Expo? I see that more than I should, and I'm getting damn close to giving parents like that an earful they will never forget.
 

I started taking him to FP a couple years before owning horses. It was a fun thing for us to do together, it was outside during the spring and summer, and we can get very close to the animals. For a 4 or 5 year old, that was awesome. Not to mention some of the jockeys (specifically Emanuel Cosme) would always go out of his way to talk to my son. He thought it was the coolest thing. No different than if it was Matt Holliday or TJ Oshie. We didn't go for the gambling. We went for the experience. I understand the "vices" that are involved with being at the track, but I don't think he does. Nor does he care. As I said, this was even before we were owners. Of course owning and being in the barn makes it even that much more special for him. I hate to say it but if we are going to keep kids away from gambling, drinking, and swearing...most baseball games and family gatherings would be off limits to most kids  laughing guy

Regarding your third point, if there are parents who are dragging their kids there so they can get their gambling fix and they aren't leaving until they are ready to leave, that's sad. And my guess is they are making many other bad decisions for that child...being at the track might be the least of them.

Understand that when I originally responded to you I knew your post was just generalizing and my response was mainly light hearted. You and I both know there are right reasons and wrong reasons for putting your kids in a given situation. Hopefully most are doing it for the right reasons.
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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2013, 12:03:04 PM »

Understand that when I originally responded to you I knew your post was just generalizing and my response was mainly light hearted. You and I both know there are right reasons and wrong reasons for putting your kids in a given situation. Hopefully most are doing it for the right reasons.

Well said.

I will admit to a certain amount of curmudgeon-like attitude on my part about kids at the track: I wasn't allowed to hang around at any "adult" places when I was a kid, and now that I am an adult I sure as hell don't want to have to deal with anyone else's whining, crying, and misbehaving brats at these same places: race track, Las Vegas, a bar last week, come on! If they start showing up at my nudie club or my opium den, I am *really* going to be pissed!
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2013, 12:18:19 PM »

Well said.

I will admit to a certain amount of curmudgeon-like attitude on my part about kids at the track: I wasn't allowed to hang around at any "adult" places when I was a kid, and now that I am an adult I sure as hell don't want to have to deal with anyone else's whining, crying, and misbehaving brats at these same places: race track, Las Vegas, a bar last week, come on! If they start showing up at my nudie club or my opium den, I am *really* going to be pissed!

Now you struck a nerve...Las Vegas. I have to go to Vegas several times a year and am always amazed at how many people are walking through the casinos with little ones. Talk about a place with nothing for kids to do. It grinds my gears every time.
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« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2013, 02:12:38 PM »

Hawthorne is a great place!
The signage and atmosphere is very professional.
All the staff are genuinely friendly and I feel appreciated.
It is the best cold weather racing facility anywhere.
And better than many other tracks in the spring and fall.
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« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2013, 02:19:56 PM »

The only place you ever really see kids at Hawthorne is ground floor, with the exception of a couple that belong to one particular table on the 2nd. If you want to get away from them there's all sort of places to go, including, for some, the secret high rollers' room.
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« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2013, 05:36:16 PM »

I take my daughter(s) to AP as many times as I can.  Great family environment, which helps GROW the sport.  If I took them to Haw I would have to put lojacks on them.  Get "ripped" here, your so pathetic you throw out race cards when your getting beat, talk about a goober.  Yes, Hawthorne does a much better job at promotions and customer service because they have to.  Does Wrigley have dollar hot dog night and half priced ticket night?  No, because they don't have to.
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« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2013, 06:26:05 PM »

Great family environment, which helps GROW the sport. 

Infinitesimally, at best.

Kids have no real disposable income, and by the time today's kids can afford to gamble, the game is unlikely to be around any more.

Plus, when they end up carrying around YOUR baggage -- "AP, good...Haw, BAD!"...and they will -- what do you have?

NOTHING. One cancels the other. So don't break your arm patting yourself on the back, Mr. "Good Father".  head shake
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« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2013, 06:52:02 PM »

This continual comparison of AP to HAW is stupid.  Each has their strengths and weaknesses. Both have to play a role if racing in Illinois is going to thrive.  I understand how it is possible to prefer one site over the other.  I don't understand why it is assumed you are either a HAW guy or an AP guy, and if you prefer one you must hate the other. I prefer AP because it is 10 minutes from my house, but I don't hate HAW.  I don't understand the necessity to trash either place every time the opportunity arises.
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« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2013, 09:23:20 PM »

This continual comparison of AP to HAW is stupid.  Each has their strengths and weaknesses. Both have to play a role if racing in Illinois is going to thrive.  I understand how it is possible to prefer one site over the other.  I don't understand why it is assumed you are either a HAW guy or an AP guy, and if you prefer one you must hate the other. I prefer AP because it is 10 minutes from my house, but I don't hate HAW.  I don't understand the necessity to trash either place every time the opportunity arises.

This has been going on since the start of the forum.  It might be a city vs suburbs thing.  I love Arlington but have not been happy with what is currently going on there.  I respect Hawthorne as to what they are trying to do to keep racing, but not the facilities and location.  We do need both. What flares up here every so often is the strong emotional attachment that some have to their tracks.  Then we get comments that Hawthorne is a dump and Mr. D is worse than the devil and away it goes.  Happens several times a year.
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« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2013, 09:42:21 PM »

This has been going on since the start of the forum.  It might be a city vs suburbs thing.  I love Arlington but have not been happy with what is currently going on there.  I respect Hawthorne as to what they are trying to do to keep racing, but not the facilities and location.  We do need both. What flares up here every so often is the strong emotional attachment that some have to their tracks.  Then we get comments that Hawthorne is a dump and Mr. D is worse than the devil and away it goes.  Happens several times a year.
A good point.Hawthorne and Arlington are two offerings in a business.If you do not like one go to the other.If neither one appeals to you,search until you find one that is.That applies to the horsemen and fans alike.
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« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2013, 09:44:13 PM »

This has been going on since the start of the forum.  It might be a city vs suburbs thing.

Actually, it started in about 1998 on other forums, after Dick D. took his ball and went home in 1997, and a bunch of Internet idiots started dumping on Hawthorne for having the nerve to stay open and offer an alternative to the Illinois horsemen, and racing was at Hawthorne. HOW DARE THEY!
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« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2013, 10:09:12 PM »

Actually, it started in about 1998 on other forums, after Dick D. took his ball and went home in 1997

This is precisely correct.

I *loved* AP before this -- couldn't get enough of the place -- and I didn't care much for Hawthorne at the time.

(As a bettor, my heart was with the old Sportsmans Park (pre-fake track, of course), but when SPT closed, most of the old NJC folks migrated over to Hawthorne, and you could see the transformation happening there into a truly fan-friendly place.)

When Dick D. uttered his now infamous line to the pols in Springfield: "I will not preside over the decline of racing in Illinois", the hair on my neck stood straight out, as I thought, who does this f'n old coot think HE is? He might "preside" over AP, but other than that, he doesn't preside over shit in Illinois racing.

I've been boycotting AP ever since. When RLD goes away, I might go back...if CDI doesn't sell the place first.
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« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2013, 11:25:10 PM »

Back before that time, I think we as fans pretty much considered Illinois racing Illinois racing, and liked and accepted all the tracks, even though Dick was still busy trying to pooch everyone else, by implementing recapture the second he could, and screwing patrons with an on track surcharge, and whatever.

But when Dick D. closed down his palace and the posters that are now known as Arlington Huggers starting blaming Hawthorne for Arlington remaining out of business by picking up the summer dates, and dumping on the track and all the improvements they made that first summer, that's when the battle lines were drawn. APCD Dan I know you remember all that on the Derby List. I'm sure others like HV and Ed who were around at the time do as well.   
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