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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2013, 11:50:59 PM »

You are wrong. You've created some new job description for the IRB. From their government website:

http://www2.illinois.gov/irb/Pages/default.aspx

They are a regulator. They interpret and enforce what the legislators pass and the governor signs. They are not a press agent.

Deja vu - I'm pretty sure I posted this exact same thing myself previously in regard to this issue.
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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2013, 11:59:54 PM »

Sheez, just admit you were wrong. They didn't do a "fine job" of communicating it, if they did you could find a single link. ANYONE knows they didn't. Why are you arguing that they did? It's preposterous. You come across like some pathetic apologist for the racing industry or else some kind of special needs person. So according to you, I should just come to this site every couple of months to find out what's going on with Illinois racing. How come NO OTHER site had this information before Jan 1st? Maybe you're the one that needs to expand beyond your source of news. You know, beyond here and Fox? So you actually believe that a true horse player would spend more time reading this site than DRF or Ray Paulick or Brisnet or TVG or Twin Spires or etc. etc. None of which had anything about this BEFORE the legislation expired.

Why on earth would I be on here? To listen to people like you who have lots of opinions but wouldn't know a fact if you tripped over one? This can be your little fiefdom. It's all yours champ. I thought there might be people here that actually might be able to help but apparently not. I don't know about everyone else on here but you are clearly one of those guys that sits at some disgusting OTB, betting .10 superfectas using your "system" cashing one $600 signer a month. I remember guys like you before there was ADW and, if I wanted to supplement my income and have a little fun, I had to go to an OTB. You couldn't pay me to go there today.

Guess what? I don't play Illinois racing very much. I play the higher quality tracks with larger pools. Today I did my taxes and had over 6 figures of signers. You can't do that betting into the pools in Illinois. Although the prospect of betting against guys like you has me rethinking whether I might want to bet on Illinois racing a little more often.

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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2013, 12:11:14 AM »

Sheez, just admit you were wrong. They didn't do a "fine job" of communicating it, if they did you could find a single link.

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I found a link, but that's not good enough for you.

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ANYONE knows they didn't.

Actually, anyone who has been on this forum for been more than two minutes knows they did, and "on this forum" is where you're arguing your case, so you look pretty stupid. Take your case back to to Trackside 2nd floor, and maybe you'll have some believers.
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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2013, 12:18:16 AM »

You are wrong. You've created some new job description for the IRB. From their government website:

http://www2.illinois.gov/irb/Pages/default.aspx

They are a regulator. They interpret and enforce what the legislators pass and the governor signs. They are not a press agent.

The ADW law is mentioned in this ITHA legislative update from Nov. 15:
http://itharacing.com/weeklywhinnies/detail/detaillist/MjQz



Actually I'm not wrong. Letter of the law, can they hide behind the language you quoted? Sure they can. But anyone-- including any member of the IRB-- that believes that's all they are responsible for really doesn't understand the concept of any type of board like this. In fact, I'd submit that the members of the IRB would just as soon take your very narrow definition of their role and that's why they are so ineffective and probably ill-suited for being a part of it. If you know anything about Boards-- Boards of Directors, Schools Boards, Racing Boards, etc-- you are correct that they are, in fact, responsible for enforcing laws or policies of the entity they serve. But make no mistake, they are also stewards of the entities they serve and responsible for insuring their health and prosperity. Not informing the public of the expiration of a law they responsible for enforcing-- and interpreting said law which is an additional important fact, is an example of gross incompetence.  If you believe that allowing the ADW legislation to expire was in the best interests of the industry that would be one thing. But no one said that on the board. In fact, they all seem to realize it's BAD for the sport. And they did nothing to prevent it. They couldn't even be bothered to communicate it's impending expiration to ALL their potential customers and not just the few people on this board that "Terry" thinks are all that matters and the only true horse players in the state, lol.

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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2013, 12:25:22 AM »

Actually I'm not wrong. Letter of the law, can they hide behind the language you quoted? Sure they can. But anyone-- including any member of the IRB-- that believes that's all they are responsible for really doesn't understand the concept of any type of board like this.

Independent citation, please, as to what the IRB is really all about. Chapter and verse, if you don't mind.
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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2013, 12:32:12 AM »

doh

I found a link, but that's not good enough for you.

Actually, anyone who has been on this forum for been more than two minutes knows they did, and "on this forum" is where you're arguing your case, so you look pretty stupid. Take your case back to to Trackside 2nd floor, and maybe you'll have some believers.
I'm done after this, you can post whatever you like.

People like you are why this sport is on it's last legs. You can't make a profit so you begrudge those of us that can. I actually pity you.

There's no doubt in my mind you're one of those Tea Baggers.
1-- You have an irrational fear of facts
 2--You refuse to directly respond to a simple request-- a link to this site is NOT communicating in the mainstream press regardless of what you believe and I clearly said that for each of the past 4-5 posts. It's simple, ONE link from any mainstream press showing they communicated it was happening. Forget about this forum, it's irrelevant, believe me.
3-- You pick arguments by taking issue with an indisputable fact-- the IRB did not communicate anything to the mainstream press--and then when intellectually and factually skewered for all to see, you resort to name calling.

Yup, guys like you are why this country is in the state it's in. That must make you feel great, lol... And BTW, Trackside 2nd floor is where I'm sure you play your dime supers and complain about the jock each time you tear up a ticket so I'll let you take your "argument" to your masses...
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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2013, 12:32:47 AM »

You are not making any sense. The IRB did not write the sunset provision, the legislature did. They were supposed to extend it another six months, but for reasons known only to them, they did not. Even after Jan. 1 when it was technically illegal, there was supposed to be an extension in the January lame duck session. Instead, the legislature bundled it into a much more complicated bill that had no chance of passing.

If you have a problem with various sources not covering this ahead of time, ask them why they didn't. I seriously doubt they will tell you "the IRB didn't tell us" because it is not the IRB's job to tell them.

There were threads about it here, and we've found at least two links from other sources. There are probably more, it would just take too long to find them.
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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2013, 12:35:21 AM »

Independent citation, please, as to what the IRB is really all about. Chapter and verse, if you don't mind.

I'm not responding but you have the typical Tea party method of taking things out of context. If you're going to quote someone, quote the whole thing. It still won't help your argument but it also won't reveal how weak minded you are.

I'm done because,  as opposed to you, I have a life... And I now know this site offers nothing.
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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2013, 12:39:51 AM »

I'm done after this, you can post whatever you like.

I don't think we could possibly be so lucky.

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People like you are why this sport is on it's last legs. You can't make a profit so you begrudge those of us that can. I actually pity you.

You deduced this from me disputing your version of how the IRB allegedly failed to notify clueless bricks like you that the ADW law was in trouble?

Nice work.

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There's no doubt in my mind you're one of those Tea Baggers.

And no doubt in my mind that you're an old school "tea bagger", the old pre-2010 definition.
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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2013, 12:42:10 AM »

I'm not responding but you have the typical Tea party method of taking things out of context. If you're going to quote someone, quote the whole thing. It still won't help your argument but it also won't reveal how weak minded you are.

I'm done because,  as opposed to you, I have a life... And I now know this site offers nothing.

Wow. I couldn't even reply before you proved me right that there was no way we would be so lucky on your "last post".
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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2013, 12:50:22 AM »

You are not making any sense. The IRB did not write the sunset provision, the legislature did. They were supposed to extend it another six months, but for reasons known only to them, they did not. Even after Jan. 1 when it was technically illegal, there was supposed to be an extension in the January lame duck session. Instead, the legislature bundled it into a much more complicated bill that had no chance of passing.

If you have a problem with various sources not covering this ahead of time, ask them why they didn't. I seriously doubt they will tell you "the IRB didn't tell us" because it is not the IRB's job to tell them.

There were threads about it here, and we've found at least two links from other sources. There are probably more, it would just take too long to find them.


I haven't seen one link from a source other than here and the bloodhorse-- as I said in my first response to "Terry". Someone please provide one. We're on almost 30 replies and NO ONE CAN produce these plentiful links?? Again links that are NOT from here or the only story I saw before it happened in the BloodHorse. The whole "discussion" was started when I said the IRB didn't publicize the fact this was going to happen. Terry claimed they did and according to him did a "fine job". You seem to agree. So produce the links, please and I'll admit they did a "fine job" communicating it and that I was wrong. After 30 posts and no one posting any, I'm finding it hard to believe they actually exist.

Guess what, if I had known this was happening, I actually would have tried to reach out to people I know in Government and get people I know that play the horses to reach out to their representatives to put some pressure on. By not letting people know, that was impossible. I actually did reach out to my representative but it was the week of Christmas so no one was around. Hmmm, funny how that worked out. There was not time to take any action when they bundled this into the bigger casino gambling bill. So do we think the IRB was told to keep quiet by the Crooked Gov or Speaker or do we believe they are just incompetent? Either is clearly plausible and demonstrates either their incompetence or their wanton disregard for the law.

I will say that if those of you on here all knew about it and just bent over and did nothing, shame on you. I wasn't on this site so I didn't have a chance to do anything and apparently this was the only place they communicated it. They must of known this was a site of "know-it-all's but do nothings"...
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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2013, 12:55:09 AM »

YADDA YADDA YADDA

I'm done because,  as opposed to you, I have a life... And I now know this site offers nothing.

screwy

Not that interesting of a "life" apparently, as here you are, several posts later, still carrying on.

Just admit you were mistaken about the role of the IRB and what they did say ahead of time, and move on to your "life". It's not that hard.

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I will say that if those of you on here all knew about it and just bent over and did nothing, shame on you.

You are so wrong. We rioted in Haymarket Square. Where the F were you, deadbeat? Expect someone else to do your job for you, do ya?
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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2013, 01:03:11 AM »

Gamblin Man vs HBT.   This battle has been very entertaining.  Eerily similar to a past battle.  Can't be though because you just found this site.
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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2013, 01:06:15 AM »

I learned about this around New Years and felt someone would stamp their paw print on an extention.

It should have been attached to the “Road Kill Bill,”.................which allows people permitted to take fur to collect any fur-bearing animal found dead on a road.

That passed Jan 1, 2013, along with the bill that makes trading and selling shark fins illegal in Illinois.
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« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2013, 01:06:31 AM »

Gamblin Man vs HBT.   This battle has been very entertaining.  Eerily similar to a past battle.  Can't be though because you just found this site.

Exact thing I was thinking, TR ... eerily similar.

Eerily similar M.O., too ... the repeated "because I proved you wrong so easily" blah blah.  

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« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2013, 08:32:51 AM »

I have to agree with gambling man. I knew when tvg announced it on tv hahahaha. No articles gave me a warning. Nice job jagbags
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« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2013, 08:38:41 AM »

I want a real update. It's a joke. Seems like no one cares and no progress is made. Bring back adw now!!!!
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« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2013, 09:08:13 AM »

If you were paying attention to this forum under the several topics about the issue as HBT suggests, you'd know there are two separate bills about ADW...one to extend the prior legislation temporarily until June 30 and one that gives the Illinois tracks more of a share.  That second bill was started by a downstate guy who happens to have the Fox Valley Farm (large harness breeder) in their district.

The Ill legislature doesn't really get started until after Tuesday when it is the deadline for all new bills for the new legislature session.  Then they will get back to their grueling 4 day work and figure out the state pension, gay marriage, balancing the budget and all the other sorted things they forgot last time.

I still predict a miraculous renewal on the eve of the Derby since that is one of the biggest handle days in ADW.
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« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2013, 09:36:53 AM »

Illinois state lawmaker Rep. Mike Bost as something to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DID74evNXqY
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« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2013, 09:39:05 AM »

Illinois state lawmaker Rep. Mike Bost as something to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DID74evNXqY

He's missing his ADW jones, too.
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« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2013, 09:45:57 AM »

Illinois state lawmaker Rep. Mike Bost as something to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DID74evNXqY

A longer 9 minute video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mD5YpTVmAA
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« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2013, 01:21:22 AM »

Gamblin Man must have went into hiding?
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« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2013, 11:43:44 AM »

i am not sure what is legal and what is not legal with all this.
federal law allows horse race wagering as does illinois  law.
the otb has video feeds from out of state and they take wagers for out of state tracks.

is the issue here " the deposit account" ..."(advance "deposit" wagering)"

because if the account has no balance at any point Huh
meaning the wagering and  winning tranactions are, in real time ,transfered to your bank back and forth..

does this violate the law.
thereby the transactions would be wire transfer to the tvg bank account.

tvg opens a bank account in your name, at thier local bank, they allow free wire transfers into that account via your tvg account.

its NOT a advance deposit wagering , it IS , in FACT a regular bank account opened by TVG in your name and thiers..

gambling is federally mandated as legalhere, and the method of how you place your wagering cannot be legally codified without discriminating against a particular method.


it is discrimnatory and prohibits the companies from earning a living by prohibiting one form of wager deilivery method.

the state should be sued by the adw's for interference and discrimination against one particular industry.
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« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2013, 12:07:17 PM »

Federal law generally recognizes the rights of States to make the gambling laws for their citizens. It also specifically allows States to make laws regarding Internet wagering on horse racing.

That's how states like California and Illinois can require licensing of the ADW providers. It's how a state like New Jersey can set up a monopoly over it. It's how states like New York and Pennsylvania can discriminate against some providers.
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« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2013, 01:51:11 PM »

this is bullshit mr balanced ...and its bumming me out.
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