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« on: February 22, 2013, 12:10:45 PM »

Any word on when this legislation will be put up for a vote. The legislation was introduced a month ago. Ridiculous...
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2013, 12:53:01 PM »

Thanks for the update sarcasm
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2013, 01:14:09 PM »

Sorry if you can't figure out that I'm asking for an update. Thanks for taking the time for the sarcastic and pointless response though...
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2013, 02:38:24 PM »

I don't think there is any news. Legislators are too busy kicking cans down the road to accomplish anything positive.
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2013, 04:53:58 PM »

Gambling legislation almost always gets held until the very end.
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2013, 06:10:20 PM »

Is there anyone we can put pressure on? The IRB is worthless-- their ineffectiveness is a big reason this was allowed this to happen. Should we be bombarding our state reps? the crooked Gov? Do we know why it's moving so slowly?
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2013, 06:29:07 PM »

Hawthorne is raising purses because more people are playing hawthorne from their otb's.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2013, 06:48:31 PM »

Is there anyone we can put pressure on? The IRB is worthless-- their ineffectiveness is a big reason this was allowed this to happen.

How so? They have nothing to do with legislation. Legislation is the business of our tracks and horsemen.
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2013, 06:49:25 PM »

Hawthorne is raising purses because more people are playing hawthorne from their otb's.

Or maybe because they made a deal with the horsemen to transfer money from the Fall purses and apply it to Spring.

Extra $300,000 in OTB simulcast handle is only about $15,000/day in purse money. Maybe.
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2013, 06:54:44 PM »

How so? They have nothing to do with legislation. Legislation is the business of our tracks and horsemen.
Because they should have done a better job publicizing that this was going to happen and not wait until AFTER the legislature failed to act. Plus they are all political appointees and beholden to the crooks in Springfield in the pockets of the casinos. If TwinSpires and Xpressbet had any balls they should have kept taking bets and forced the state to prosecute them They never would have because then it would be publicized that the state with the worst credit rating in the country was allowing a revenue producing law to expire. The AG would never have allowed her father to be put in such a negative light.
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2013, 07:04:43 PM »

Because they should have done a better job publicizing that this was going to happen and not wait until AFTER the legislature failed to act.

They did a fine job of that. Everyone knew what was going to happen.

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Plus they are all political appointees and beholden to the crooks in Springfield in the pockets of the casinos.

Riiiiiiight.
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2013, 07:10:00 PM »

Gambling legislation almost always gets held until the very end.


For chrissakes, J9..........ain't you got no pull?

You've got this top Illinois-based website, tell these suits you can mess 'em up real bad if they don't get their act together.

Well?
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2013, 07:17:51 PM »

For chrissakes, J9..........ain't you got no pull?

You've got this top Illinois-based website, tell these suits you can mess 'em up real bad if they don't get their act together.

Well?

Her ineffectiveness is a big reason this was allowed this to happen.
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2013, 07:36:51 PM »

Her ineffectiveness is a big reason this was allowed this to happen.

ha-ha.

(I was kidding about the 'mess up' part.)
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2013, 08:02:31 PM »

Or maybe because they made a deal with the horsemen to transfer money from the Fall purses and apply it to Spring.

Extra $300,000 in OTB simulcast handle is only about $15,000/day in purse money. Maybe.
http://www.barntowire.com/2013/HAWnotes130222.html
Officials at Hawthorne Race Course announced on Friday that overnight purses at the track will increase by $12,000 per day. The purse hike will take effect March 1 and will increase the purses on overnight races across the board by approximately 15 percent.

Ok the first sentence say $12,000 a day increase. For the 15% Math to be correct the current purse structure would be 80K a day. Some thing is wrong with this. Is it the 15% or the 12K?
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2013, 08:55:39 PM »

$80k per day that's Beulah and Turf Paradise country. Somehow I think that's not quite correct.
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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2013, 10:38:55 PM »

They did a fine job of that. Everyone knew what was going to happen.

Riiiiiiight.
I don't know what you are talking about. I'm a serious horseplayer and was completely unaware of this potential freeze until late December. The casual player will have no clue they can't bet online until they actually attempt to make a bet. There was no attempt to communicate this in the traditional press. Hell, there wasn't even a single story on DRF. Only the Bloodhorse covered it. Search for Illinois ADW on DRF and let me know what you get.

 If they were actually serious about ending this, they would have regular updates on their webpage describing any progress, or lack there of, happening. Nothing except the same vague message put up on Jan 1. I contacted them 3 weeks ago asking for an update and it took a week for them to respond with a "it's in the legislature's hands now" reply. I want to know WHY this hasn't been brought to a vote. WHO is blocking it. But is the IRB interested in sharing that information? lol, of course not.

FYI, the members of the IRB ARE political appointees. And if you think they have done anything to help racing in the last 20 years, you haven't been paying much attention. Illinois has a disgraceful quality of racing for what should be one of the top 3 markets in racing. (And another FYI for you, Illinois racing is behind NY, SoCal, KY, La, FL for sure and possibly also Ark, NorCAl, Pa and NJ.) The Carey's are loving this because with less competition, their hell hole of a racetrack is the only game in town. And the IRB bends over backwars to help Hawthorne out at every turn-- $750k purse for the Illinois Derby? Puhleeze.

But yeah, make excuses for them. I'm sure they are all real nice people and didn't get these political appointments for any reason other than competence. Because we all know that's how things roll in the Land of Lincoln. Patronage would NEVER trump competence, nah...

I came on this board because I was hoping someone on here might actually know what the hold up is. Instead I get this "defender of the IRB"? Well, you sir, are as much of a problem as the legislature. Defending the IRB with a straight face reveals your obvious ties by blood to some member. Or maybe you're an actual member of the board pretending to be a casual observer. Who knows, I saw someone on here earlier today pretending to be Andy Serling. Apparently That's how things roll on here...

Hopefully someone can provide an actual update.
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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2013, 10:57:16 PM »

They did a fine job of that. Everyone knew what was going to happen.

Here's a challenge-- find ONE article in the Trib, Sun Times, Herald or DRF dated before Jan 1st that warns of the impending sunset of the ADW legislation and post the link. Just one. Good luck...
Oh yeah, that's a FINE job. Boy, talk about grading on a curve. Honest and balanced huh? lol
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2013, 11:04:48 PM »

I don't know what you are talking about. I'm a serious horseplayer and was completely unaware of this potential freeze until late December.

Then you weren't paying attention. Everyone here knew all about it. What do you expect the IRB to do, send you a personal note about the issue? Wouldn't you expect the ADW vendor you actually do business with to do that?

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The casual player will have no clue they can't bet online until they actually attempt to make a bet. There was no attempt to communicate this in the traditional press.

Bullshit. It was common knowledge.

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If they were actually serious about ending this, they would have regular updates on their webpage describing any progress, or lack there of, happening.

Yo, slick, THE IRB IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR LEGISLATION. It only carries out the law. The parties responsible for moving legislation are your tracks, horsemen, and ADWs.

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FYI, the members of the IRB ARE political appointees. And if you think they have done anything to help racing in the last 20 years, you haven't been paying much attention.

They do what they can with the hand the Assembly has dealt them. They're referees in charge of administrating the law, that's all. They're not some cheerleader force tasked with moving Illinois racing. We already posted the legal language. Look elsewhere for your under-performing industry leaders.
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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2013, 11:17:41 PM »

Here's a challenge-- find ONE article in the Trib, Sun Times, Herald or DRF dated before Jan 1st that warns of the impending sunset of the ADW legislation and post the link. Just one. Good luck...

Are those the only approved news sources for Illinois horseplayers? The poor clueless guys dumber than you, I mean, that you have to look out for.

Took me about 4 seconds to to find the following in the archives of this forum, dated 12/18:

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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2013, 11:22:45 PM »

Then you weren't paying attention. Everyone here knew all about it. What do you expect the IRB to do, send you a personal note about the issue? Wouldn't you expect the ADW vendor you actually do business with to do that?

Bullshit. It was common knowledge
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No , it wasn't-- but hey, if you swear and respond in a an angry tone maybe people will believe you know what you are talking about. Again, I Challenge you to find ONE link-- just one-- from the Trib, SunTimes, Herald or DRF-- hell, anyplace but this site that only about 300 people look at-- dated before Jan 1st outlining the impending sun-setting of the ADW legislation. But I notice you ignored that challenge since we both know you can't do it. You can't link to something that just doesn't exist.

Based on your screen name's homage to Foxnews, I'll assume you're one of those Tea Bagger dudes that haven't met a fact that you can't deny. But guess what, they did NOT communicate this change to the general public at all and frankly haven't done a single thing to improve the quality of racing since I've been paying attention-- the better part of 25 years. Illinois racing has declined on a yearly basis and they are responsible for supporting and protecting the industry. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THEIR EXISTENCE. If you think keeping paying customers interested and able to spend their money on your business and potentially even attracting new ones isn't part of their charter then frankly, you just don't understand anything about their role OR how to run a successful business. The fact that you are defending such a blatantly and unarguably ineffective body reveals your own complete lack of credibility.  You may live on this site and post 1000's of times a day but those of us that live in the real world can look at both the IRB and you and see both for what you actually are....
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2013, 11:29:14 PM »

Are those the only approved news sources for Illinois horseplayers? The poor clueless guys dumber than you, I mean, that you have to look out for.

Took me about 4 seconds to to find the following in the archives of this forum, dated 12/18:

Are you just being difficult because I'm proving you wrong so easily? Why would I search for something I didn't know was happening? I didn't even know this site existed before today. Again, I'll try it slowly... one link to a site that the general public might come across that outlines the impending shut down of ADW before it actually happened. If the IRB did a "fine job" -- your words--of communicating it effectively, surely even YOU would admit, we should be able to find ONE link somewhere in the mainstream press? But you can't find one because you are an apologist for the IRB and Illinois racing in general...
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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2013, 11:32:02 PM »

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No , it wasn't-- but hey, if you swear and respond in a an angry tone maybe people will believe you know what you are talking about.

Yes, it was, certainly on this local forum, but if you make all sorts of claims it wasn't and style the people disagreeing with you dishonest and unbalanced I guess you think you're right.

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Again, I Challenge you to find ONE link-- just one-- from the Trib, SunTimes, Herald or DRF--

I did. I gave you the Bloodhorse. That's with Bloodhorse conclusive evidence that, 1) it was a known issue ahead of time, and b) the IRB was telling news outlets about the impending shutdown. If YOU can't find any news anywhere else, whose fault is that?

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Based on your screen name's homage to Foxnews, I'll assume you're one of those Tea Bagger dudes that haven't met a fact that you can't deny.

Hardly. Moron.
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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2013, 11:35:59 PM »

Are you just being difficult because I'm proving you wrong so easily? Why would I search for something I didn't know was happening?

Pretty much an admission you're clueless.

If you're a horse player but not bothering to follow industry news from various sources then you really have no legitimate basis to claim, "BUT I DIDN'T KNOW!" when something bites you in the ass. "BUT I DIDN'T KNOW!" is the excuse of losers.
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Are you just being difficult because I'm proving you wrong so easily? Why would I search for something I didn't know was happening? I didn't even know this site existed before today. Again, I'll try it slowly... one link to a site that the general public might come across that outlines the impending shut down of ADW before it actually happened. If the IRB did a "fine job" -- your words--of communicating it effectively, surely even YOU would admit, we should be able to find ONE link somewhere in the mainstream press? But you can't find one because you are an apologist for the IRB and Illinois racing in general...

You are wrong. You've created some new job description for the IRB. From their government website:

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The mission of the Illinois Racing Board is to regulate horse racing through the enforcement of the Act and its rules and regulations and to ensure the honesty and integrity of Illinois racing and wagering.

The IRB holds regular and special meetings as may be necessary to perform properly and effectively all duties under the Illinois Horse Racing Act of 1975.

http://www2.illinois.gov/irb/Pages/default.aspx

They are a regulator. They interpret and enforce what the legislators pass and the governor signs. They are not a press agent.

The ADW law is mentioned in this ITHA legislative update from Nov. 15:
http://itharacing.com/weeklywhinnies/detail/detaillist/MjQz

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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2013, 11:50:59 PM »

You are wrong. You've created some new job description for the IRB. From their government website:

http://www2.illinois.gov/irb/Pages/default.aspx

They are a regulator. They interpret and enforce what the legislators pass and the governor signs. They are not a press agent.

Deja vu - I'm pretty sure I posted this exact same thing myself previously in regard to this issue.
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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2013, 11:59:54 PM »

Sheez, just admit you were wrong. They didn't do a "fine job" of communicating it, if they did you could find a single link. ANYONE knows they didn't. Why are you arguing that they did? It's preposterous. You come across like some pathetic apologist for the racing industry or else some kind of special needs person. So according to you, I should just come to this site every couple of months to find out what's going on with Illinois racing. How come NO OTHER site had this information before Jan 1st? Maybe you're the one that needs to expand beyond your source of news. You know, beyond here and Fox? So you actually believe that a true horse player would spend more time reading this site than DRF or Ray Paulick or Brisnet or TVG or Twin Spires or etc. etc. None of which had anything about this BEFORE the legislation expired.

Why on earth would I be on here? To listen to people like you who have lots of opinions but wouldn't know a fact if you tripped over one? This can be your little fiefdom. It's all yours champ. I thought there might be people here that actually might be able to help but apparently not. I don't know about everyone else on here but you are clearly one of those guys that sits at some disgusting OTB, betting .10 superfectas using your "system" cashing one $600 signer a month. I remember guys like you before there was ADW and, if I wanted to supplement my income and have a little fun, I had to go to an OTB. You couldn't pay me to go there today.

Guess what? I don't play Illinois racing very much. I play the higher quality tracks with larger pools. Today I did my taxes and had over 6 figures of signers. You can't do that betting into the pools in Illinois. Although the prospect of betting against guys like you has me rethinking whether I might want to bet on Illinois racing a little more often.

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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2013, 12:11:14 AM »

Sheez, just admit you were wrong. They didn't do a "fine job" of communicating it, if they did you could find a single link.

doh

I found a link, but that's not good enough for you.

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ANYONE knows they didn't.

Actually, anyone who has been on this forum for been more than two minutes knows they did, and "on this forum" is where you're arguing your case, so you look pretty stupid. Take your case back to to Trackside 2nd floor, and maybe you'll have some believers.
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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2013, 12:18:16 AM »

You are wrong. You've created some new job description for the IRB. From their government website:

http://www2.illinois.gov/irb/Pages/default.aspx

They are a regulator. They interpret and enforce what the legislators pass and the governor signs. They are not a press agent.

The ADW law is mentioned in this ITHA legislative update from Nov. 15:
http://itharacing.com/weeklywhinnies/detail/detaillist/MjQz



Actually I'm not wrong. Letter of the law, can they hide behind the language you quoted? Sure they can. But anyone-- including any member of the IRB-- that believes that's all they are responsible for really doesn't understand the concept of any type of board like this. In fact, I'd submit that the members of the IRB would just as soon take your very narrow definition of their role and that's why they are so ineffective and probably ill-suited for being a part of it. If you know anything about Boards-- Boards of Directors, Schools Boards, Racing Boards, etc-- you are correct that they are, in fact, responsible for enforcing laws or policies of the entity they serve. But make no mistake, they are also stewards of the entities they serve and responsible for insuring their health and prosperity. Not informing the public of the expiration of a law they responsible for enforcing-- and interpreting said law which is an additional important fact, is an example of gross incompetence.  If you believe that allowing the ADW legislation to expire was in the best interests of the industry that would be one thing. But no one said that on the board. In fact, they all seem to realize it's BAD for the sport. And they did nothing to prevent it. They couldn't even be bothered to communicate it's impending expiration to ALL their potential customers and not just the few people on this board that "Terry" thinks are all that matters and the only true horse players in the state, lol.

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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2013, 12:25:22 AM »

Actually I'm not wrong. Letter of the law, can they hide behind the language you quoted? Sure they can. But anyone-- including any member of the IRB-- that believes that's all they are responsible for really doesn't understand the concept of any type of board like this.

Independent citation, please, as to what the IRB is really all about. Chapter and verse, if you don't mind.
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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2013, 12:32:12 AM »

doh

I found a link, but that's not good enough for you.

Actually, anyone who has been on this forum for been more than two minutes knows they did, and "on this forum" is where you're arguing your case, so you look pretty stupid. Take your case back to to Trackside 2nd floor, and maybe you'll have some believers.
I'm done after this, you can post whatever you like.

People like you are why this sport is on it's last legs. You can't make a profit so you begrudge those of us that can. I actually pity you.

There's no doubt in my mind you're one of those Tea Baggers.
1-- You have an irrational fear of facts
 2--You refuse to directly respond to a simple request-- a link to this site is NOT communicating in the mainstream press regardless of what you believe and I clearly said that for each of the past 4-5 posts. It's simple, ONE link from any mainstream press showing they communicated it was happening. Forget about this forum, it's irrelevant, believe me.
3-- You pick arguments by taking issue with an indisputable fact-- the IRB did not communicate anything to the mainstream press--and then when intellectually and factually skewered for all to see, you resort to name calling.

Yup, guys like you are why this country is in the state it's in. That must make you feel great, lol... And BTW, Trackside 2nd floor is where I'm sure you play your dime supers and complain about the jock each time you tear up a ticket so I'll let you take your "argument" to your masses...
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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2013, 12:32:47 AM »

You are not making any sense. The IRB did not write the sunset provision, the legislature did. They were supposed to extend it another six months, but for reasons known only to them, they did not. Even after Jan. 1 when it was technically illegal, there was supposed to be an extension in the January lame duck session. Instead, the legislature bundled it into a much more complicated bill that had no chance of passing.

If you have a problem with various sources not covering this ahead of time, ask them why they didn't. I seriously doubt they will tell you "the IRB didn't tell us" because it is not the IRB's job to tell them.

There were threads about it here, and we've found at least two links from other sources. There are probably more, it would just take too long to find them.
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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2013, 12:35:21 AM »

Independent citation, please, as to what the IRB is really all about. Chapter and verse, if you don't mind.

I'm not responding but you have the typical Tea party method of taking things out of context. If you're going to quote someone, quote the whole thing. It still won't help your argument but it also won't reveal how weak minded you are.

I'm done because,  as opposed to you, I have a life... And I now know this site offers nothing.
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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2013, 12:39:51 AM »

I'm done after this, you can post whatever you like.

I don't think we could possibly be so lucky.

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People like you are why this sport is on it's last legs. You can't make a profit so you begrudge those of us that can. I actually pity you.

You deduced this from me disputing your version of how the IRB allegedly failed to notify clueless bricks like you that the ADW law was in trouble?

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And no doubt in my mind that you're an old school "tea bagger", the old pre-2010 definition.
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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2013, 12:42:10 AM »

I'm not responding but you have the typical Tea party method of taking things out of context. If you're going to quote someone, quote the whole thing. It still won't help your argument but it also won't reveal how weak minded you are.

I'm done because,  as opposed to you, I have a life... And I now know this site offers nothing.

Wow. I couldn't even reply before you proved me right that there was no way we would be so lucky on your "last post".
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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2013, 12:50:22 AM »

You are not making any sense. The IRB did not write the sunset provision, the legislature did. They were supposed to extend it another six months, but for reasons known only to them, they did not. Even after Jan. 1 when it was technically illegal, there was supposed to be an extension in the January lame duck session. Instead, the legislature bundled it into a much more complicated bill that had no chance of passing.

If you have a problem with various sources not covering this ahead of time, ask them why they didn't. I seriously doubt they will tell you "the IRB didn't tell us" because it is not the IRB's job to tell them.

There were threads about it here, and we've found at least two links from other sources. There are probably more, it would just take too long to find them.


I haven't seen one link from a source other than here and the bloodhorse-- as I said in my first response to "Terry". Someone please provide one. We're on almost 30 replies and NO ONE CAN produce these plentiful links?? Again links that are NOT from here or the only story I saw before it happened in the BloodHorse. The whole "discussion" was started when I said the IRB didn't publicize the fact this was going to happen. Terry claimed they did and according to him did a "fine job". You seem to agree. So produce the links, please and I'll admit they did a "fine job" communicating it and that I was wrong. After 30 posts and no one posting any, I'm finding it hard to believe they actually exist.

Guess what, if I had known this was happening, I actually would have tried to reach out to people I know in Government and get people I know that play the horses to reach out to their representatives to put some pressure on. By not letting people know, that was impossible. I actually did reach out to my representative but it was the week of Christmas so no one was around. Hmmm, funny how that worked out. There was not time to take any action when they bundled this into the bigger casino gambling bill. So do we think the IRB was told to keep quiet by the Crooked Gov or Speaker or do we believe they are just incompetent? Either is clearly plausible and demonstrates either their incompetence or their wanton disregard for the law.

I will say that if those of you on here all knew about it and just bent over and did nothing, shame on you. I wasn't on this site so I didn't have a chance to do anything and apparently this was the only place they communicated it. They must of known this was a site of "know-it-all's but do nothings"...
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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2013, 12:55:09 AM »

YADDA YADDA YADDA

I'm done because,  as opposed to you, I have a life... And I now know this site offers nothing.

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Not that interesting of a "life" apparently, as here you are, several posts later, still carrying on.

Just admit you were mistaken about the role of the IRB and what they did say ahead of time, and move on to your "life". It's not that hard.

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You are so wrong. We rioted in Haymarket Square. Where the F were you, deadbeat? Expect someone else to do your job for you, do ya?
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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2013, 01:03:11 AM »

Gamblin Man vs HBT.   This battle has been very entertaining.  Eerily similar to a past battle.  Can't be though because you just found this site.
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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2013, 01:06:15 AM »

I learned about this around New Years and felt someone would stamp their paw print on an extention.

It should have been attached to the “Road Kill Bill,”.................which allows people permitted to take fur to collect any fur-bearing animal found dead on a road.

That passed Jan 1, 2013, along with the bill that makes trading and selling shark fins illegal in Illinois.
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« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2013, 01:06:31 AM »

Gamblin Man vs HBT.   This battle has been very entertaining.  Eerily similar to a past battle.  Can't be though because you just found this site.

Exact thing I was thinking, TR ... eerily similar.

Eerily similar M.O., too ... the repeated "because I proved you wrong so easily" blah blah.  

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« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2013, 08:32:51 AM »

I have to agree with gambling man. I knew when tvg announced it on tv hahahaha. No articles gave me a warning. Nice job jagbags
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« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2013, 08:38:41 AM »

I want a real update. It's a joke. Seems like no one cares and no progress is made. Bring back adw now!!!!
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« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2013, 09:08:13 AM »

If you were paying attention to this forum under the several topics about the issue as HBT suggests, you'd know there are two separate bills about ADW...one to extend the prior legislation temporarily until June 30 and one that gives the Illinois tracks more of a share.  That second bill was started by a downstate guy who happens to have the Fox Valley Farm (large harness breeder) in their district.

The Ill legislature doesn't really get started until after Tuesday when it is the deadline for all new bills for the new legislature session.  Then they will get back to their grueling 4 day work and figure out the state pension, gay marriage, balancing the budget and all the other sorted things they forgot last time.

I still predict a miraculous renewal on the eve of the Derby since that is one of the biggest handle days in ADW.
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« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2013, 09:36:53 AM »

Illinois state lawmaker Rep. Mike Bost as something to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DID74evNXqY
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« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2013, 09:39:05 AM »

Illinois state lawmaker Rep. Mike Bost as something to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DID74evNXqY

He's missing his ADW jones, too.
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« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2013, 09:45:57 AM »

Illinois state lawmaker Rep. Mike Bost as something to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DID74evNXqY

A longer 9 minute video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mD5YpTVmAA
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« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2013, 01:21:22 AM »

Gamblin Man must have went into hiding?
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« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2013, 11:43:44 AM »

i am not sure what is legal and what is not legal with all this.
federal law allows horse race wagering as does illinois  law.
the otb has video feeds from out of state and they take wagers for out of state tracks.

is the issue here " the deposit account" ..."(advance "deposit" wagering)"

because if the account has no balance at any point Huh
meaning the wagering and  winning tranactions are, in real time ,transfered to your bank back and forth..

does this violate the law.
thereby the transactions would be wire transfer to the tvg bank account.

tvg opens a bank account in your name, at thier local bank, they allow free wire transfers into that account via your tvg account.

its NOT a advance deposit wagering , it IS , in FACT a regular bank account opened by TVG in your name and thiers..

gambling is federally mandated as legalhere, and the method of how you place your wagering cannot be legally codified without discriminating against a particular method.


it is discrimnatory and prohibits the companies from earning a living by prohibiting one form of wager deilivery method.

the state should be sued by the adw's for interference and discrimination against one particular industry.
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« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2013, 12:07:17 PM »

Federal law generally recognizes the rights of States to make the gambling laws for their citizens. It also specifically allows States to make laws regarding Internet wagering on horse racing.

That's how states like California and Illinois can require licensing of the ADW providers. It's how a state like New Jersey can set up a monopoly over it. It's how states like New York and Pennsylvania can discriminate against some providers.
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« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2013, 01:51:11 PM »

this is bullshit mr balanced ...and its bumming me out.
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« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2013, 02:44:16 PM »

this is bullshit mr balanced ...and its bumming me out.

I agree it is bullshit we can't bet, but the legal issues you posted about just aren't there.
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« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2013, 02:28:53 PM »

this situation does not make sense,
and it does not make sense becasue we are missing all the pieces,
and i suspect the missing pieces are some sort of missing enevelope filled with cash....
do you wanna buy a senate seat ?

we are not typing about about a new source of revenue that may or may not be workable. this is a piece of legislation set to be reknewed so the things that got the first bill past, could be gotten again a few years later in order to renew the bill...whatever those things were are missing this time around..

it stinks of payoffs and payola...and it stinks REAL bad.

why would the elected representatives in a state ranked the lowest on the credit rating scale, 2 years away from being current on its medical liability payments to doctors, refuse to renew a revenue stream already in place drawing in almost 2 million dollars..

2 million for the people is 2 million more than the people are seeing now.

this is irresponsible and personally greedy morally egregiously selfish behavior by those waiting for what ever it is they seem to be waiting for.
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« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2013, 04:14:59 PM »

There will probably be some horse trading going on with this law renewal and I don't mean the type we bet on.  Again, Chicago wants to get their hands on that 70 million plus 10th boat casino money.  To do so, they may attempt blocking the ADW renewal bill.  Anyway I don't think our horsemen are happy with the current ADW bill anyhow.  I believe the legislature is just coming back to session now, so they have had no chance to consider anything.  Our bill may be way down the list of things to accomplish with the financial mess Illinois is in.  So get out to Hawthorne or those OTB's and bet away.

That will give you something to do, Secretariat.  You are doing too much thinking and that seems to hurt your brain.
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« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2013, 04:24:10 PM »

why would the elected representatives in a state ranked the lowest on the credit rating scale, 2 years away from being current on its medical liability payments to doctors, refuse to renew a revenue stream already in place drawing in almost 2 million dollars..


I can answer this one --- it's because they're a bunch of damned idiots!
Also, two million dollars is nothing to the Illinois legislature, they waste that much every day before breakfast.
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« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2013, 04:30:44 PM »

That will give you something to do, Secretariat.  You are doing too much thinking and that seems to hurt your brain.

I think he's a got a good start on a scathing letter to the editor, though.
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« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2013, 04:49:53 PM »

I think he's a got a good start on a scathing letter to the editor, though.

I think we all would suggest Fuzzy proofread the letter before submission.
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« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2013, 07:09:14 PM »

I think we all would suggest Fuzzy proofread the letter before submission.

Every day we find new common ground.
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« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2013, 10:07:34 PM »

Such a slap in the face now when you log in to Xpressbet



Late Feb? It is now March 6th and nothing. I almost forget what it is like to bet online  Undecided
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« Reply #58 on: March 07, 2013, 07:54:54 AM »

4466 was last years bill... the only HB I am aware is Lang's Bill HB0995... that is sitting in a committee with no Hearings Scheduled... It looks like best case scenario is before the Derby and worst case it gets  wrapped in a larger gaming bill
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« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2013, 03:46:41 PM »

Exact thing I was thinking, TR ... eerily similar.

Eerily similar M.O., too ... the repeated "because I proved you wrong so easily" blah blah.  

Roll Eyes


Well I'm back to see if ANYONE on here knew anything about why the 2 bills are hung up in the rules committee when the d-bag Governor is calling for Gambling Expansion. Not surprisingly, no one here has a clue.

A few more facts for you-- I've never been here before this original thread. I'm sure the administrators can confirm that.

The fact that someone else would find it easy to prove you wrong doesn't surprise me since you still believe you are correct in this matter, even though you still never provided a SINGLE link to news about this prior to Jan 1st from a site OTHER than this obscure forum or the Bloodlhorse. NOT ONE, yet you still believe the IRB did a "fine" job communicating it. An obvious reflection of your standards of quality. No reasonable person would agree with your position since you can'[t back it up with any evidence that supports it.
That's the definition of simple when it comes to debate, lol

You also still believe the IRB is not responsible for doing everything in it's power for the sport in Illinois despite the following taken from their own website-- my emphasis:
 "The Illinois Racing Board consists of eleven members (names and pictures) appointed to six year terms by the Governor with the advice and consent of the Senate. The Board is responsible for enforcement of the statute governing horse racing in Illinois known as the Illinois Horse Racing Act."

Here's the intent of the Illinois Racing Act-- AGAIN from the IRB website

"LEGISLATIVE INTENT
The Illinois Horse Racing Act of 1975 is intended to benefit the people of the State of Illinois by assisting economic development and promoting Illinois tourism.
The General Assembly finds and declares it to be the public policy of the State of Illinois to:

    Support and enhance Illinois' horse racing industry, which is a significant component within the agribusiness industry;
    Ensure that Illinois' horse racing industry remains competitive with neighboring states;
    Stimulate growth within Illinois' horse racing industry, thereby encouraging new investment and development to produce additional tax revenues and to create additional jobs;
    Promote the further growth of tourism;
    Encourage the breeding of thoroughbred and standardbred horses in Illinois; and
    Ensure that public confidence and trust in the credibility and integrity of racing operations and the regulatory process is maintained."

Not communicating the impending shutdown of ADW-- which the are publicly against-- is a direct conflict with their whole purpose for being. There really is no grey area. Again, if you argue that ADW is bad for Illinois Horseracing, that would be a different matter altogether, but that is not what the IRB has done at any point. They just incompetently sat by and allowed this to happen without alerting the public.

So yes, once again, it is remarkably simple to prove you wrong, a position that I assume many people that get into arguments with you would agree with. Have at it. Misquote me or cut one sentence out out of context or any of your other sad attempts to strengthen your position. The reality remains to anyone that prefers facts in their arguments, that you have none to support your positions, and it's therefore impossible for reasonable people to take you seriously. Which must drive you crazy but should be something you are quite used to.
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« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2013, 04:03:54 PM »

If Gov. Quinn is actually going to support gaming expansion including slots at tracks, I suspect they will focus on that and wrap in the adw.  IF it happens this time around, it is worth the inconvenience.  I would like to see a bill the governor signs on day ONE.
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« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2013, 06:22:20 PM »

Well I'm back to see if ANYONE on here knew anything about why the 2 bills are hung up in the rules committee when the d-bag Governor is calling for Gambling Expansion. Not surprisingly, no one here has a clue.

I'll wager that you don't, either. Right?

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The fact that someone else would find it easy to prove you wrong doesn't surprise me since you still believe you are correct in this matter, even though you still never provided a SINGLE link to news about this prior to Jan 1st from a site OTHER than this obscure forum or the Bloodlhorse.

The Bloodhorse news link was there. Anyone who read this forum on a regular basis knew about it. The IRB got the news out, so cry us a river about dim bulbs like you not knowing about it.

And as for the rest of your nonsense, it is NOT THE JOB OF THE IRB TO CHAMPION LEGISLATION, PERIOD. They enforce the rules. It's also not their job to get the news out to bettors - they get the news to the providers, and getting the news to customers is then up to them. If the providers failed you it is on them. So take a hike on all your BS about what the IRB should have done or not done. You are dead wrong about their responsibilities.
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« Reply #62 on: March 09, 2013, 01:20:18 PM »

The sale of 100's of Illinois homes to out-of-staters have been held up due to lack of ADW capabilities.

We need to get that mis-information out there!
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« Reply #63 on: March 09, 2013, 02:35:54 PM »

The sale of 100's of Illinois homes to out-of-staters have been held up due to lack of ADW capabilities.

We need to get that mis-information out there!

Don't let gamblin' man read that, he'll go ballistic about how the IRB has failed in its assigned mission of prime economic development agency of Illinois as spelled out in the Racing Act's "further growth" clause.
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