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Author Topic: IS HARNESS RACING DEAD OR ON ITS LAST LEGS, THE OPEN WINDOW IS NOT HELPING!  (Read 2284 times)
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« Reply #50 on: February 19, 2013, 01:47:56 PM »

Thanks for posting this article.

Here's a quote from the article:

"the programs remain the driving force behind many late odds changes because of the amount of money they send into the pools just before the close of betting."

Read the article folks.
Lots of factual info.
Much more substantial than a few posters here watching races on a computer screen.

Please folks, come up with a better excuse for your losses or your hate of harness racing.
This one is old and just isn't substantiated in  21st century parimutueal batting.
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« Reply #51 on: February 19, 2013, 01:52:30 PM »

Thanks for posting this article.

Here's a quote from the article:

"the programs remain the driving force behind many late odds changes because of the amount of money they send into the pools just before the close of betting."

Read the article folks.
Lots of factual info.
Much more substantial than a few posters here watching races on a computer screen.

Please folks, come up with a better excuse for your losses or your hate of harness racing.
This one is old and just isn't substantiated in  21st century parimutueal batting.




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« Reply #52 on: February 19, 2013, 01:52:38 PM »



And Janine, can you for a fact tell me that these folks wagering all that money like  Mr Parham and his group are not being handed out special "privleges". No you cant , and these groups are well known for cancelling wagers on breakers well after the start of races. Why not, without them without them, look at all the handle you lose.

Again i would read the last paragraph of the Bridgejumper post. It speaks volumes since nobody takes me seriously. Only problem is I have followed this scam since the advent of simulcasting. And many a large player who has eyes and watches races has gotten sick of it and puts his gambling dollar elsewhere resulting in no handles anywhere save for the Meds. And a horrible game on the way out.  I guess Bridgejumper, (and many others) have imagined all this

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LATE BETTING CYCLES
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« Reply #53 on: February 19, 2013, 01:55:10 PM »

Gural is a lying sack of shit--he is a business man who wants casino at the meadowlands--and--ran into NJ politics and they way trenton works

meanwhile--he must pretend as if he cares about racing and "saving" the meadowlands make him appear as a savior--when indeed he is a snake oil salesman who could care less about that end of his business--he saw the potential and now must smile and wait it out--which will be until Governor Christies term is over--and then he would have to outpay the pro-atlantic city lobbyists which already have ALL of trenton in there back pocket

as far as your open window--i know Roberts has tightened up the so called "delay" issue --but i see it blatant how leavers get pounded, breakers have money removed from the pool--and some big time gatepunching still is allowed somewhere--some venue has access to the pools when the rest of us are shutout--but the fleecing of america will continue as per usual as long as these casino/racetracks really could care less about horse racing
which tracks have open betting windows?
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« Reply #54 on: February 19, 2013, 02:00:02 PM »



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I agree Rocco.
You hit the nail on the head.
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« Reply #55 on: February 19, 2013, 02:14:11 PM »

So that report says the computer programs are detecting overlays split seconds before the races goes off.  Maybe someone can tell me in harness racing, where (except maybe for the Meadowlands) nearly half the pool comes in after the race closes (simulcasting comes in)......how can these programs really detect overlays, when the odds change significantly after the windows close?
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« Reply #56 on: February 19, 2013, 02:18:32 PM »

So that report says the computer programs are detecting overlays split seconds before the races goes off.  Maybe someone can tell me in harness racing, where (except maybe for the Meadowlands) nearly half the pool comes in after the race closes (simulcasting comes in)......how can these programs really detect overlays, when the odds change significantly after the windows close?


Pretty good point
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« Reply #57 on: February 19, 2013, 02:23:54 PM »

So that report says the computer programs are detecting overlays split seconds before the races goes off.  Maybe someone can tell me in harness racing, where (except maybe for the Meadowlands) nearly half the pool comes in after the race closes (simulcasting comes in)......how can these programs really detect overlays, when the odds change significantly after the windows close?
Read the article again.
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« Reply #58 on: February 19, 2013, 02:26:30 PM »

Nonsense.....the T-bred tracks did it for 100 years---a bell would ring and the windows would close. Bettors would learn to adapt. That doesnt wash at all.

Harness tracks never did it, even before simulcasting.

Big favorites that break around the first turn go way up in odds every damn time. Just a coincidence.

t-bred tracks did what?

Harness racing is a different game.  If people want to piss away their money before seeing their horses moving behind the gate, that's not my problem.

And you've NEVER seen a horse breaking around the first turn and then seen the odds go up.  You have just lost all credibility.
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« Reply #59 on: February 19, 2013, 02:29:46 PM »

t-bred tracks did what?

Harness racing is a different game.  If people want to piss away their money before seeing their horses moving behind the gate, that's not my problem.

And you've NEVER seen a horse breaking around the first turn and then seen the odds go up.  You have just lost all credibility.

Dad,,,THEY DONT WATCH RACES....I have studied the breaking and leaving thing for 15 years...It has been posted here where this has been proven to go on . If Mr Passing Lane missed it, thats not my problem. Its been posted many times where the 3 main venues are. Look it up
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« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2013, 02:32:52 PM »

LAST CALL!!!!!!!!!!!

Can anyone tell us one track that has an open betting window?Huh

If no answer is forthcoming (doesn't appear to be) this thread is dead.
a t least to me.
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« Reply #61 on: February 19, 2013, 02:33:16 PM »


These computer programs work on odds.  Here is an example of what the computer can do faster than the human brain can process.  They have "zero" to do with betting after the start of the race.

Programmers develop software with pre-determined factors that provides the odds of any horse or exacta coming in, then wagers on the overlays.  The closer you can bet to the off time, the better the value.
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« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2013, 02:38:12 PM »

These computer programs work on odds.  Here is an example of what the computer can do faster than the human brain can process.  They have "zero" to do with betting after the start of the race.

Programmers develop software with pre-determined factors that provides the odds of any horse or exacta coming in, then wagers on the overlays.  The closer you can bet to the off time, the better the value.


Yes,,,,,she is correct, but that doesnt relate to the topic at hand
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« Reply #63 on: February 19, 2013, 02:38:38 PM »

Your brain is dead....it repeats the same question 50 times every day. go back to the conveyor belts. the tracks are posted---read the archives
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« Reply #64 on: February 19, 2013, 02:53:03 PM »


And Janine, can you for a fact tell me that these folks wagering all that money like  Mr Parham and his group are not being handed out special "privleges". No you cant , and these groups are well known for cancelling wagers on breakers well after the start of races. Why not, without them without them, look at all the handle you lose.


You cannot disprove a negative.  Can you prove that I never had sex with Marilyn Monroe?  Since you can't, it must be true.  trophy

Are you an elected official?  You sure talk like one.  A favorite phrase that politicians use when they have no facts to back up their suppositions is "EVERYBODY KNOWS".  Please provide evidence of Mr Parham being handed out special privileges (other than reaping the rebate available to everyone who bets) or any of the other "WELL KNOWN" fairy tales you think you know.

Actually I do know of one WELL KNOWN place where you could bet well after the race started.  It was at Goshen when they used to have pari-mutuel wagering.  The only betting windows were below and behind the grandstand.  It took a three-man team to game the system.   The "Chief" would be at the top of the grandstand screaming down instructions.  The relay man was directly below, and he screamed the number to the guy at the betting window underneath the grandstand.  Actually there were bettors at multiple windows.  Don't forget, those were the days before you could say "$300 to win" and get one ticket.  You had to scream out, "start punching and don't stop until the window closes."

It was a laugh riot watching the action during 2yo trot races as the lead kept changing as each new front runner broke heading to the quarter pole.

Sometimes the window was open almost to the quarter pole.  Those were the days.

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« Reply #65 on: February 19, 2013, 03:06:39 PM »

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« Reply #66 on: February 19, 2013, 03:15:17 PM »

You cannot disprove a negative.  Can you prove that I never had sex with Marilyn Monroe?  Since you can't, it must be true.  trophy

Are you an elected official?  You sure talk like one.  A favorite phrase that politicians use when they have no facts to back up their suppositions is "EVERYBODY KNOWS".  Please provide evidence of Mr Parham being handed out special privileges (other than reaping the rebate available to everyone who bets) or any of the other "WELL KNOWN" fairy tales you think you know.

Actually I do know of one WELL KNOWN place where you could bet well after the race started.  It was at Goshen when they used to have pari-mutuel wagering.  The only betting windows were below and behind the grandstand.  It took a three-man team to game the system.   The "Chief" would be at the top of the grandstand screaming down instructions.  The relay man was directly below, and he screamed the number to the guy at the betting window underneath the grandstand.  Actually there were bettors at multiple windows.  Don't forget, those were the days before you could say "$300 to win" and get one ticket.  You had to scream out, "start punching and don't stop until the window closes."

It was a laugh riot watching the action during 2yo trot races as the lead kept changing as each new front runner broke heading to the quarter pole.

Sometimes the window was open almost to the quarter pole.  Those were the days.


Well aware of the  goshen stuff.
Well before simulcating..
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« Reply #67 on: February 19, 2013, 03:19:30 PM »

Of course they can. Close the windows 30 seconds prior to the start and it cant happen. Then perception and reality cant be questioned. End of story


i would assume that you would need more than 30 seconds for all the off handle money to be tallied in,,,,maybe i am wrong.
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« Reply #68 on: February 19, 2013, 04:22:51 PM »

Dad,,,THEY DONT WATCH RACES....I have studied the breaking and leaving thing for 15 years...It has been posted here where this has been proven to go on . If Mr Passing Lane missed it, thats not my problem. Its been posted many times where the 3 main venues are. Look it up

elsewhere in this thread you have posted you have been studying this since the advent of simulcasting and here you say 15 yrs,
which one is the right story ?  simulcasting has been going on for more than 15 yrs
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« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2013, 06:09:48 PM »

I will hand this off to the supposed computer wizards who posted above... what's the necessary time lapse (if any) between those last dollars going into the pool, and the new odds showing up on the board?  
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« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2013, 06:11:03 PM »

I will hand this off to the supposed computer wizards who posted above... what's the necessary time lapse (if any) between those last dollars going into the pool, and the new odds showing up on the board?  


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« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2013, 06:12:29 PM »

Anyone else?
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« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2013, 06:23:06 PM »

And, by the way, this proposition is absurd:

"You cannot disprove a negative."

Of course you can. "Balmoral Park does not exist," a negative, can readily disproved by watching a replay, or going to the place.

 
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« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2013, 06:52:43 PM »

I think it's more like 30 seconds, sometimes longer. In tbreds, there is usually a big bump shortly after the race starts, but sometimes there is another as well. In some cases, the odds will change after the race finishes (but before it's official).

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« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2013, 07:09:21 PM »

Watch a River Downs replay and tell me if the odds change.
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