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« Reply #125 on: February 19, 2013, 04:32:56 PM »

SHE HAD GREAT BATTLES WITH DESPERATE LADY

YEP...TWO NICE FILLIES
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« Reply #126 on: February 19, 2013, 04:35:18 PM »

WHIZZER R WHITE ANOTHER GREAT ILL BRED
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« Reply #127 on: February 19, 2013, 06:02:06 PM »

WHY BILL, GUTS, LOTTA SOUL, APRILS SKIPPER, ODDS AGAINST all tough raceway horses

Guts vs. OTRA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DO0MLIOtT8

Guts comes from way off to get second in the Pace:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI2rK7T3bVo

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« Reply #128 on: February 19, 2013, 06:38:05 PM »

Sumter Victory, a hoppled trotter when such things were almost nonexistent, driven by 216-year-old Fred Spencer.  Rotten-gaited but would occasionally stay flat and pay telephone numbers, Spencer not exactly being a money magnet.  JFA/AA type at his best.
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« Reply #129 on: February 19, 2013, 07:49:18 PM »

I'm glad Song Cycle was mentioned. As for other Chicago race horses, I, of course, would vote for my horse, Dashing Diplomat, p,4,1:49,1. Dash is at stud now. With the condition of Illinois racing, he's had few chances in the breeding shed. So far, his filly Dashing Majorette and colt, Whilwindiplomacy, have been doing quite nicely.
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« Reply #130 on: February 19, 2013, 07:49:56 PM »

Sumter Victory, a hoppled trotter when such things were almost nonexistent, driven by 216-year-old Fred Spencer.  Rotten-gaited but would occasionally stay flat and pay telephone numbers, Spencer not exactly being a money magnet.  JFA/AA type at his best.

216-years-old was what it seemed like. Actually he was in his early sixties when Sumter Victory was racing in New York in the mid-seventies…..Spencer, who was born in England, raced the Fair circuit for quite a while before hitting the pari-mutuel tracks. He was a tool and die maker at Grummond for years and he said that skill helped him rig a trotter…..One horse Freddy….. He Didn’t like to exert himself too much so he liked to have one horse racing at a time. He’d race Sumter Victory in the winter and Nomad Hanover or Mighty O’Brien the rest of the year. He never had more than three horses in his stable…..A friend owned a good Harold J pacer named General Sumter and his name keeps popping into my head.
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« Reply #131 on: February 19, 2013, 07:54:00 PM »

I'm glad Song Cycle was mentioned. As for other Chicago race horses, I, of course, would vote for my horse, Dashing Diplomat, p,4,1:49,1. Dash is at stud now. With the condition of Illinois racing, he's had few chances in the breeding shed. So far, his filly Dashing Majorette and colt, Whilwindiplomacy, have been doing quite nicely.

Near the end of April in 1968, the first edition of the Dan Patch Pace was held at Yonkers Raceway, with the object being to determine which American horses would represent the US in the Yonkers International Pace. Adios Vic, with Jim Dennis, was the 1-2 favorite, and he took back at the start, as usual. Billy Shuter left from the 4-post and parked Eddie Cobb and Honest Story past the quarter in :29.3. Cobb took the field to the half in 1:00.3, at which point Jimmy Cruise took Frank T Ace first over, with Adios Vic right behind him. Vic swept around Frank T Ace and appeared to be on his way to victory when he broke stride approaching the wire. That left Song Cycle to battle Honest Story for the win. Song Cycle got up by a head and paid $85, something that was unlikely to happen in his hometown of Chicago.
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« Reply #132 on: February 19, 2013, 08:09:45 PM »

I believe General Sumter was owned by Otto Sunder at some point.
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« Reply #133 on: February 19, 2013, 09:18:27 PM »

I believe General Sumter was owned by Otto Sunder at some point.

Kenny Weinbaum also owned him at one point.
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« Reply #134 on: February 20, 2013, 11:17:51 AM »

This is Tarport Hap’s TR performance in the 1976 US Pacing Championship. She wired the field. The race itself is short on drama, save for the quick pace, but the cast of characters is interesting.

The MHF mare won in :57, which in addition to breaking the TR, established a WR for a pacing mare on a half. A month earlier TH had established a new WR for a mare over a 5/8 track at Blue Bonnets.

Roosevelt paid John Chapman a $1,500 bonus for breaking the TR which had been shared by Adios Butler, BBB, Sir Dalrae and Mirror Image. He would have gotten a $5,000 bonus if he broke the :55.3 WR Albatross set at Delaware.
Keystone Accent finished second, followed by Rambling Willie. The rest of the field consisted of Handle With Care, Andy Lobell, Shirley’s Beau, Nickawampus Leroy, Momentum and Fly Fly Solly. Tarport Hap became the second pacing mare to pass the $500K mark in this race.

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« Reply #135 on: February 20, 2013, 11:34:03 AM »

This is Tarport Hap’s TR performance in the 1976 US Pacing Championship. She wired the field. The race itself is short on drama, save for the quick pace, but the cast of characters is interesting.

The MHF mare won in :57, which in addition to breaking the TR, established a WR for a pacing mare on a half. A month earlier TH had established a new WR for a mare over a 5/8 track at Blue Bonnets.

Roosevelt paid John Chapman a $1,500 bonus for breaking the TR which had been shared by Adios Butler, BBB, Sir Dalrae and Mirror Image. He would have gotten a $5,000 bonus if he broke the :55.3 WR Albatross set at Delaware.
Keystone Accent finished second, followed by Rambling Willie. The rest of the field consisted of Handle With Care, Andy Lobell, Shirley’s Beau, Nickawampus Leroy, Momentum and Fly Fly Solly. Tarport Hap became the second pacing mare to pass the $500K mark in this race.

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As I said before, Silk Stockings was one of my favorites. Do you know her career stats? She raced against Tarport Hap almost weekly.

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« Reply #136 on: February 20, 2013, 11:37:58 AM »

Near the end of April in 1968, the first edition of the Dan Patch Pace was held at Yonkers Raceway, with the object being to determine which American horses would represent the US in the Yonkers International Pace. Adios Vic, with Jim Dennis, was the 1-2 favorite, and he took back at the start, as usual. Billy Shuter left from the 4-post and parked Eddie Cobb and Honest Story past the quarter in :29.3. Cobb took the field to the half in 1:00.3, at which point Jimmy Cruise took Frank T Ace first over, with Adios Vic right behind him. Vic swept around Frank T Ace and appeared to be on his way to victory when he broke stride approaching the wire. That left Song Cycle to battle Honest Story for the win. Song Cycle got up by a head and paid $85, something that was unlikely to happen in his hometown of Chicago.

I remember one particular race at Yonkers when I was lucky to cash a win ticket on Adios Vic at 5-1.  Vic was a big track horse who was not fond of half mile track turns.  Now back in those days, there was a huge class difference between JFA and FFA.  Orbiter N was the king of JFA, but went off at a whopping 99-1 facing the FFAs.  Insko grabbed the pocket at Yonkers with Orbiter and Adios Vic was in the 3-hole.  If it was a mile track, Dennis could come first over and jog, but on the half-mile track, he correctly sat in -- hoping to get luck in the stretch instead of risk breaking.

I believe that was a mile and a sixteenth race and it was Romeo Hanover with Sholty a setting a torrid pace.

Orbiter N gets loose late and looks like he would light up the board at 99-1 when Adios Vic got loose extremely late (seemed waaaayyyy too late) and was a blur flying at the wire and getting up just in time.
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« Reply #137 on: February 20, 2013, 11:42:08 AM »


As I said before, Silk Stockings was one of my favorites. Do you know her career stats? She raced against Tarport Hap almost weekly.

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Early in their careers, Silk Stocking was much the better filly.  But as they got older, Tarport Hap was much the better mare.
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« Reply #138 on: February 20, 2013, 11:56:07 AM »

I remember one particular race at Yonkers when I was lucky to cash a win ticket on Adios Vic at 5-1.  Vic was a big track horse who was not fond of half mile track turns.  Now back in those days, there was a huge class difference between JFA and FFA.  Orbiter N was the king of JFA, but went off at a whopping 99-1 facing the FFAs.  Insko grabbed the pocket at Yonkers with Orbiter and Adios Vic was in the 3-hole.  If it was a mile track, Dennis could come first over and jog, but on the half-mile track, he correctly sat in -- hoping to get luck in the stretch instead of risk breaking.

I believe that was a mile and a sixteenth race and it was Romeo Hanover with Sholty a setting a torrid pace.

Orbiter N gets loose late and looks like he would light up the board at 99-1 when Adios Vic got loose extremely late (seemed waaaayyyy too late) and was a blur flying at the wire and getting up just in time.

Yeah, that was the 1967 Good Time at YR—mile and a quarter. Vic ended Romeo’s 21-race win streak that night. Romeo and Sholty had to overcome the 8-post. Orbiter carried Romeo at the start and then True Duane took a shot at him. Cardy was also in that race. They made Sholty hit the quarter in under 2:00 and he still had a quarter to go.
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« Reply #139 on: February 20, 2013, 12:11:24 PM »


As I said before, Silk Stockings was one of my favorites. Do you know her career stats? She raced against Tarport Hap almost weekly.

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Silky won 30 of 52 starts and earned about 695K while Tarport Hap won 35 of 68 starts and earned almost 689K.

They split their 20 face-offs right down the middle.
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« Reply #140 on: February 20, 2013, 07:37:41 PM »

Silky won 30 of 52 starts and earned about 695K while Tarport Hap won 35 of 68 starts and earned almost 689K.

They split their 20 face-offs right down the middle.


Wow, that's amazing. Thanks!
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« Reply #141 on: February 20, 2013, 08:08:19 PM »

Wow, that's amazing. Thanks!
Raced against both of them in 3yr old NYSS~~Not a good year for Colts with them two around! trotter
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« Reply #142 on: February 20, 2013, 08:30:51 PM »

I seem to recall that Spike Happy was the third-best in that crop.   But that was a VERY distant third...
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« Reply #143 on: February 20, 2013, 08:44:46 PM »

I seem to recall that Spike Happy was the third-best in that crop.   But that was a VERY distant third...
How About Seatrain  dollar dollar
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« Reply #144 on: February 20, 2013, 08:56:43 PM »

He was a year later.
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« Reply #145 on: February 20, 2013, 09:10:16 PM »

He was a year later.
Same year ~~both 72 foals
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« Reply #146 on: February 20, 2013, 09:18:53 PM »

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« Reply #147 on: February 20, 2013, 09:24:56 PM »

Same year ~~both 72 foals

You're right, Vegas... I forget Seatrain didn't race at 2.  Broke in his first start at 3, also.  THEN it all came together for him/

Who was the filly you had in the Silk/Hap crop?  Feel free to PM.
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« Reply #148 on: February 20, 2013, 09:36:25 PM »

You're right, Vegas... I forget Seatrain didn't race at 2.  Broke in his first start at 3, also.  THEN it all came together for him/

Who was the filly you had in the Silk/Hap crop?  Feel free to PM.
Didn't have a filly~~Had a MHF colt who was a step below the top stuff~~Raced against both in the Syracuse mile,"NYSS". Finished 9th with S.Dancer driving!
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« Reply #149 on: February 20, 2013, 09:43:14 PM »

PM me the name, if you would.  '74/'75 were great harness racing years for me...
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