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« on: February 09, 2013, 05:15:43 PM »

THINK HARNESS RACING IS FIXED.

THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAINERS ARE CHEMISTS


THAT OPEN BETTING WINDOWS EXIST


AND STILL KEEP BETTING ON THE HARNESS RACES!!!!!!!!!

WHAT EXPLAINS SUCH BEHAVIOR??
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2013, 05:18:11 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2013, 05:26:07 PM »

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GOOD POINTS.
MAYBE THOSE THAT THINK THAT WAY SHOULD CONTACT THE GOVERNMENT AND TRY TO GET AN ANTI-TRUST SUIT GOING AGAINST THE BURKES.
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2013, 05:28:42 PM »

GOOD POINTS.
MAYBE THOSE THAT THINK THAT WAY SHOULD CONTACT THE GOVERNMENT AND TRY TO GET AN ANTI-TRUST SUIT GOING AGAINST THE BURKES.
LOL!!!!!!!!


I TOOK IT DOWN BURTON,,SORRY,,

DONT FEEL LIKE ARGUIN WITH SAME,,MEANING LESS PEOPLE,,

MEANINGLESS TO ME,,LIKE ,,


LINT ON MY SHIRT,,


I LUV HARNESS HORSES AND RACING,,I invest  IN IT,,
FOR  DA LOVE OF THE HORSES...period

END OF STORY,,ALL  I NEED TO SAY...
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2013, 06:17:53 PM »


I TOOK IT DOWN BURTON,,SORRY,,

DONT FEEL LIKE ARGUIN WITH SAME,,MEANING LESS PEOPLE,,

MEANINGLESS TO ME,,LIKE ,,


LINT ON MY SHIRT,,


I LUV HARNESS HORSES AND RACING,,I invest  IN IT,,
FOR  DA LOVE OF THE HORSES...period

END OF STORY,,ALL  I NEED TO SAY...
I understand and agree with you.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2013, 06:24:46 PM »

I TINK THEY EDDER HAVE A  screw LOOSE,,,,OR THEY HAVE A MIZERABLE LIFE WIT NUTTING BETTOR TO DUE,,,  screwy
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 06:30:02 PM »

I agree that harness would be better without the chemist.  I love horses just as much as the next.  Had plenty of riding in my younger days with my best friend who had horses.  However since being a owner and hearing about EPO, it makes me sick that people use it.  Thing is if your not in the industry, as a individual you are blinded by what happens to some of these animals.  I know not all stories I have heard either on forums, people in the business, or in general aren't true.  As far as fixed, it is hard to think every race is fixed, or even a few per a card.  But you go to a OTB and boy some of the disgruntled gamblers cry and moan every time they lose and it's this jockey or driver is fixing.  Or every trainer is cheating.  I tend to think that is not the case.
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2013, 06:44:04 PM »

JIMMY YOU HAVE OWNED HORSES FOR LAST 10YRS,,OR LONGER ,,U KNOW ITS NOT DA CASE


ITS DA SAME GUYS WHO,,CRY FOUL,,,

THAT USAULLY GO HOME LOSIN FROM DA OTB,,,EVERY NITE...




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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2013, 06:52:27 PM »

I am aware that there are some negative things out there.  Some trainers aren't completely honest, some drivers don't give 100%, etc., etc.  but when it comes down to it, this is a hobby I enjoy and compare it to sausage...I don't want to see or know how they make it, i just want to enjoy it.

Some on here will say I'm just burrying my head in the sand, but if I saw them make the sausage, I would probably never eat it again.   I still love this game, and for my dollar there is nothing I'd rather do then play a Saturday night card at the Big M....I'm not becoming a vegetarian any time soon.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2013, 06:56:56 PM »

I am aware that there are some negative things out there.  Some trainers aren't completely honest, some drivers don't give 100%, etc., etc.  but when it comes down to it, this is a hobby I enjoy and compare it to sausage...I don't want to see or know how they make it, i just want to enjoy it.

Some on here will say I'm just burrying my head in the sand, but if I saw them make the sausage, I would probably never eat it again.   I still love this game, and for my dollar there is nothing I'd rather do then play a Saturday night card at the Big M....I'm not becoming a vegetarian any time soon.

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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2013, 06:58:34 PM »

  How do fix a race with marcus m. Kyle wilfong and husted in it . screwy     there are guys who setup horses but NO.Fixed Races here.

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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 06:59:09 PM »

Going into my fifth year owning.  Hope I make it to ten but Rocco it is getting so expensive.  Just added my bills for the year YUCK.  Everyone gets paid in this business and for a owner who just buys babies, because that is what I want to do, it is costly.  But these guys at the OTB *** and whine every time they rip that ticket.  TT there are a lot of honest trainers, then there are some that look for a small edge, then you have the scum bags that the industry doesn't need.
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2013, 07:05:11 PM »

YEAH NO CHEATS IN THIS GAME...JUST FROM THIS WEEK NOT TO MENTION ALL THE BROKE PEOPLE WHO BOUNCE CHECKS, FAIL TO PAY OTHER FINES, HAVE NO WORKERS COMPENSATION, ETC...PLUS ALL THE WHIPPING VIOLATIONS ETC...FULL OF HONEST PEOPLE, YOUR RIGHT.

AND THESE ARE JUST THE ONES THEY CAN CATCH, MANY INCLUDING THE BURKES ARE SKIRTING THE RULES AND HAVEN'T BEEN CAUGHT...

BURTON, RICHARD BLOOMINGDALE, IL YOB 1963
BmlP on 12/8/2012 INDEFINITE SUSPENSION(IND) AS OF
2/1/2013
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
An analysis of the test sample obtained from LIL ROY following its first
place finish inthe fourth race on December 8, 2012 at Balmoral Parck
revealed the presence of Phenylbutazone. Pursuant to IRB rule 603.60 A 3
B 1, the purse money won is hereby ordered forfeited and redistributed.
Trainer is hereby assessed a $1000 civil penalty (first offense).
Status as of 2/1/2013 - Subsequent Ruling - Trainer Richard


COLEMAN, NEIL E SHELBYVILLE, IN YOB 1956
BmlP on 12/22/2012 FINED: $1,000
HORSE DISQUALIFIED - PLACED 10,
PURSE REDISTRIBUTION
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
An analysis of the test sample obtained from PARK LANE SUE following its first place finish in the fourth race on December 22, 2012 at Balmoral Park revealed the presence of phenylbutazone. Pursuant to IRB rule 603.60 A 3 B 1, the purse money won by PARK LANE SUE is hereby ordered forfeited and redistributed among the remaining horses.


CROSS, STEVEN J
MACEDONIA, OH
YOB 1955
Nfld on 1/1/2013
FINED: $250
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
Blood sample #792208 collected at Northfield Park on 1/1/13 from the horse Big On Luk was found to contain flunixin at a concentration of 43 nanograms per milliliter of plasma. This exceeds the threshold of 20 nanograms per milliliter adopted by the OSRC. O.S.R.C.-3769-18-01(B)(1)(a) 18-02 18-99


FAUROT, CLAYTON JR
WASHINGTON, PA
YOB 1965
Mea on 12/4/2012
FINED: $500 FULL - 15 DAYS, 2/15/2013 THRU 3/1/2013 HORSE DISQUALIFIED - PLACED 8, PURSE REDISTRIBUTION
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
PA Code Title 58 - (183.352)(183.355)(183.357) Mr. Faurot, Jr. was the trainer of the horse THEY CALL ME MOON for the 1st race on December 4, 2012 at The Meadows. Post race samples were collected from THEY CALL ME MOON. The samples were tested and found to contain Propoxyphene. As the trainer, Mr. Faurot, Jr. is responsible for the positive test. Appeals are due within ten days of ruling. Fine is due by February 24, 2013. During the time of the suspension, Mr. Faurot, Jr. is denied access and use of all areas under the jurisdiction of the PHRC. During the time of the suspension, all horses owned &/or trained by Mr. Faurot, Jr. shall also be suspended unless transferred to an owner/trainer in good standing. All of Mr. Faurot, Jr.`s owner/trainer transfers must be approved by the Judges at the Meadows or the PHRC.
Mea on 12/5/2012
FINED: $500 FULL - 15 DAYS, 3/2/2013 THRU 3/16/2013 HORSE DISQUALIFIED - PLACED 9, PURSE REDISTRIBUTION
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
PA Code Title 58 - (183.352)(183.355)(183.357) Mr. Faurot, Jr. was the trainer of the horse MYSTERY ISLAND for the 5th race on December 5, 2012 at The Meadows. Post race samples were collected from MYSTERY ISLAND. The samples were tested and found to contain Propoxyphene. As the trainer, Mr. Faurot, Jr. is responsible for the positive test. Appeals are due within ten days of ruling. Fine is due by February 24, 2013. During the time of the suspension, Mr. Faurot, Jr. is denied access and use of all areas under the jurisdiction of the PHRC. During the time of the suspension, all horses owned &/or trained by Mr. Faurot, Jr. shall also be suspended unless transferred to an owner/trainer in good standing. All of Mr. Faurot, Jr.`s owner/trainer transfers must be approved by the Judges at the Meadows or the PHRC.


WILLEY, KEITH E
HERALD, CA
YOB 1934
CalX on 12/8/2012
FINED: $500
MEDICATION PROCEDURE VIOLATION
TRAINER KEITH WILLEY, WHO STARTED “KD AMAZIN SPIRIT” IN THE THIRD RACE ON DECEMBER 8, 2012, IS FINED FIVE HUNDRED ($500.00)* DOLLARS FOR VIOLATION OF CALIFORNIA HORSE RACING BOARD RULE #1843 (A) (D) (MEDICATIONS, DRUGS AND OTHER SUBSTANCES – PROHIBITIVE DRUG SUBSTANCE – GUAIFENESIN) PURSUANT TO CALIFORNIA HORSE RACING BOARD RULE #1887 (A) (TRAINER TO INSURE CONDITION OF HORSE).



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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2013, 07:07:45 PM »

THEN YOU HAVE DRIVERS WHO GIVE HOLES, KICK HORSES, ETC ETC...IT GOES ON AND ON...

SURE I LOVE RACING AND AM A GAMBLER, BUT THIS GAME IS SO FAR GONE ANYONE WHO THINKS OTHERWISE IS SIMPLY IN THE LOW IQ BRACKET.
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2013, 01:08:12 AM »

WoW.  A bute positive !! censor
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2013, 02:02:38 AM »

YEAH NO CHEATS IN THIS GAME...JUST FROM THIS WEEK NOT TO MENTION ALL THE BROKE PEOPLE WHO BOUNCE CHECKS, FAIL TO PAY OTHER FINES, HAVE NO WORKERS COMPENSATION, ETC...PLUS ALL THE WHIPPING VIOLATIONS ETC...FULL OF HONEST PEOPLE, YOUR RIGHT.

AND THESE ARE JUST THE ONES THEY CAN CATCH, MANY INCLUDING THE BURKES ARE SKIRTING THE RULES AND HAVEN'T BEEN CAUGHT...

BURTON, RICHARD BLOOMINGDALE, IL YOB 1963
BmlP on 12/8/2012 INDEFINITE SUSPENSION(IND) AS OF
2/1/2013
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
An analysis of the test sample obtained from LIL ROY following its first
place finish inthe fourth race on December 8, 2012 at Balmoral Parck
revealed the presence of Phenylbutazone. Pursuant to IRB rule 603.60 A 3
B 1, the purse money won is hereby ordered forfeited and redistributed.
Trainer is hereby assessed a $1000 civil penalty (first offense).
Status as of 2/1/2013 - Subsequent Ruling - Trainer Richard


COLEMAN, NEIL E SHELBYVILLE, IN YOB 1956
BmlP on 12/22/2012 FINED: $1,000
HORSE DISQUALIFIED - PLACED 10,
PURSE REDISTRIBUTION
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
An analysis of the test sample obtained from PARK LANE SUE following its first place finish in the fourth race on December 22, 2012 at Balmoral Park revealed the presence of phenylbutazone. Pursuant to IRB rule 603.60 A 3 B 1, the purse money won by PARK LANE SUE is hereby ordered forfeited and redistributed among the remaining horses.


CROSS, STEVEN J
MACEDONIA, OH
YOB 1955
Nfld on 1/1/2013
FINED: $250
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
Blood sample #792208 collected at Northfield Park on 1/1/13 from the horse Big On Luk was found to contain flunixin at a concentration of 43 nanograms per milliliter of plasma. This exceeds the threshold of 20 nanograms per milliliter adopted by the OSRC. O.S.R.C.-3769-18-01(B)(1)(a) 18-02 18-99


FAUROT, CLAYTON JR
WASHINGTON, PA
YOB 1965
Mea on 12/4/2012
FINED: $500 FULL - 15 DAYS, 2/15/2013 THRU 3/1/2013 HORSE DISQUALIFIED - PLACED 8, PURSE REDISTRIBUTION
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
PA Code Title 58 - (183.352)(183.355)(183.357) Mr. Faurot, Jr. was the trainer of the horse THEY CALL ME MOON for the 1st race on December 4, 2012 at The Meadows. Post race samples were collected from THEY CALL ME MOON. The samples were tested and found to contain Propoxyphene. As the trainer, Mr. Faurot, Jr. is responsible for the positive test. Appeals are due within ten days of ruling. Fine is due by February 24, 2013. During the time of the suspension, Mr. Faurot, Jr. is denied access and use of all areas under the jurisdiction of the PHRC. During the time of the suspension, all horses owned &/or trained by Mr. Faurot, Jr. shall also be suspended unless transferred to an owner/trainer in good standing. All of Mr. Faurot, Jr.`s owner/trainer transfers must be approved by the Judges at the Meadows or the PHRC.
Mea on 12/5/2012
FINED: $500 FULL - 15 DAYS, 3/2/2013 THRU 3/16/2013 HORSE DISQUALIFIED - PLACED 9, PURSE REDISTRIBUTION
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
PA Code Title 58 - (183.352)(183.355)(183.357) Mr. Faurot, Jr. was the trainer of the horse MYSTERY ISLAND for the 5th race on December 5, 2012 at The Meadows. Post race samples were collected from MYSTERY ISLAND. The samples were tested and found to contain Propoxyphene. As the trainer, Mr. Faurot, Jr. is responsible for the positive test. Appeals are due within ten days of ruling. Fine is due by February 24, 2013. During the time of the suspension, Mr. Faurot, Jr. is denied access and use of all areas under the jurisdiction of the PHRC. During the time of the suspension, all horses owned &/or trained by Mr. Faurot, Jr. shall also be suspended unless transferred to an owner/trainer in good standing. All of Mr. Faurot, Jr.`s owner/trainer transfers must be approved by the Judges at the Meadows or the PHRC.


WILLEY, KEITH E
HERALD, CA
YOB 1934
CalX on 12/8/2012
FINED: $500
MEDICATION PROCEDURE VIOLATION
TRAINER KEITH WILLEY, WHO STARTED “KD AMAZIN SPIRIT” IN THE THIRD RACE ON DECEMBER 8, 2012, IS FINED FIVE HUNDRED ($500.00)* DOLLARS FOR VIOLATION OF CALIFORNIA HORSE RACING BOARD RULE #1843 (A) (D) (MEDICATIONS, DRUGS AND OTHER SUBSTANCES – PROHIBITIVE DRUG SUBSTANCE – GUAIFENESIN) PURSUANT TO CALIFORNIA HORSE RACING BOARD RULE #1887 (A) (TRAINER TO INSURE CONDITION OF HORSE).


Nobody said that there won't be any cheats in this game. In a game where money changes hands there will always be crooks and cheat lurking around,You listed about five cheating trainers. Now list all those races and trainers which were run fair and square where no drugs were involved.

This list should take you about a month to complete. Good luck with it.
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2013, 06:05:27 AM »

WoW.  A bute positive !! censor

Unfortunately ira the system only catches the little guys who cheat a little to try and compete.   Look at ledford busted yet never got a hot test.

Don't say wow, say wtf go get the Burkes, the allards, the Coleman's, afruntis, the guys who have horses with no form yet can jog in 150 over a tiring muddy track and do so looking like a quarter horse.

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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2013, 09:32:59 AM »

You cant catch what there is no test for. dude   how bout.  Assman, baffort,  dutrow,  a never. Ending list !!     Racing. Has always been this way.  Im sayin . There is no group of 6 guys working together to fix races. In ill. Thats race fixing !!   Thats not going on.
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2013, 09:54:27 AM »

You cant catch what there is no test for. dude   how bout.  Assman, baffort,  dutrow,  a never. Ending list !!     Racing. Has always been this way.  Im sayin . There is no group of 6 guys working together to fix races. In ill. Thats race fixing !!   Thats not going on.
when u say a group of 6 guys u mean in the bike? because i was there on the friday night in june when rodney mills pulled his horse bizz off stride at 4-5* from 8 hole and jeff tilden pulled his horse off stride as second choice at 3-1 from 1 hole. there was a group of individuals working the casinos in vegas leaving out both of these two horses, but using everyone else. they were going from casino to casino. then the casinos called each other and got suspicious, so then they called maywood. this was before the race even started. then bombers came in the gimmicks and it paid a little of nothing. clearly, several people were in on it. there were people at maywood and people in vegas who were in on it + two drivers who conspired with a trainer and owner. that's quite a few people in my opinion. what is the boy scout up to these days? same deal with ron marsh with mike's cadet. several people making bets at maywood, yet the jig was up before the race even started. all those people scattered like mice and never cashed those tickets. they knew they had been caught as the word spread quickly. screwy
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2013, 10:10:09 AM »

 Here is something else to consider for the people that say Affrunti is honest. she was with ron marsh and even had a child with him. she was with him while he had cocaine addiction and was being investigated for race fixing. ron's father got in trouble on the east coast for race fixing. it all filters down. the company you keep speaks volumes of how you are. watch the interview JD had by the winners circle with Affrunti. if i had a nickel for everytime she fidgeted around i would be a millionaire. she can't control herself. she is so herky jerky with her body it is a sign that she has a serious medical problem or is on something. she looks like she has ants in her pants.
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2013, 10:19:41 AM »

Here is something else to consider for the people that say Affrunti is honest. she was with ron marsh and even had a child with him. she was with him while he had cocaine addiction and was being investigated for race fixing. ron's father got in trouble on the east coast for race fixing. it all filters down. the company you keep speaks volumes of how you are. watch the interview JD had by the winners circle with Affrunti. if i had a nickel for everytime she fidgeted around i would be a millionaire. she can't control herself. she is so herky jerky with her body it is a sign that she has a serious medical problem or is on something. she looks like she has ants in her pants.
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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2013, 10:54:24 AM »

when u say a group of 6 guys u mean in the bike? because i was there on the friday night in june when rodney mills pulled his horse bizz off stride at 4-5* from 8 hole and jeff tilden pulled his horse off stride as second choice at 3-1 from 1 hole. there was a group of individuals working the casinos in vegas leaving out both of these two horses, but using everyone else. they were going from casino to casino. then the casinos called each other and got suspicious, so then they called maywood. this was before the race even started. then bombers came in the gimmicks and it paid a little of nothing. clearly, several people were in on it. there were people at maywood and people in vegas who were in on it + two drivers who conspired with a trainer and owner. that's quite a few people in my opinion. what is the boy scout up to these days? same deal with ron marsh with mike's cadet. several people making bets at maywood, yet the jig was up before the race even started. all those people scattered like mice and never cashed those tickets. they knew they had been caught as the word spread quickly. screwy

When Forest Gerry Jr. and his crew were fixing supers in New York, in the early ‘70s, the fact that they had from 10-25K to invest in each of those races stood as their biggest advantage. Typical intel about a horse could be used to eliminate him from consideration. If that wasn’t the case two trainer/ driver units would be persuaded to declare their horses dead in the race for $1,000 each. They didn’t know anything about the other dead horse etc.

There would generally be two dead horses and one live horse (probably finish first or second). They involved as few people as possible. When the tickets are three bucks each a six-horse box is $1,080 as opposed to $5,080 for an eight-horse box. Gerry fashioned himself a superior handicapper so that skill was employed to weight the betting with the live horse in mind, as opposed to betting a clean six-horse box. As a result some races they did better than others but over the long haul the odds were stacked in their favor to such a degree that they did very well.
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2013, 11:25:27 AM »

When Forest Gerry Jr. and his crew were fixing supers in New York, in the early ‘70s, the fact that they had from 10-25K to invest in each of those races stood as their biggest advantage. Typical intel about a horse could be used to eliminate him from consideration. If that wasn’t the case two trainer/ driver units would be persuaded to declare their horses dead in the race for $1,000 each. They didn’t know anything about the other dead horse etc.

There would generally be two dead horses and one live horse (probably finish first or second). They involved as few people as possible. When the tickets are three bucks each a six-horse box is $1,080 as opposed to $5,080 for an eight-horse box. Gerry fashioned himself a superior handicapper so that skill was employed to weight the betting with the live horse in mind, as opposed to betting a clean six-horse box. As a result some races they did better than others but over the long haul the odds were stacked in their favor to such a degree that they did very well.


Careful, this game is clean, those guys just bet really smart.
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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2013, 11:31:55 AM »

The handle was bigger years ago. Pools are small in ill. Not much to cutup.. many drivers are leaving ill. If they were making a score fixing races they would never leave
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2013, 11:35:16 AM »

Soon i see . Miller. Widger. Tetrick. Roberts.  Warren.  Sutton.    GONE. !! dunno           
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