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Author Topic: THE BIG M CLOSED DID ANY OF THE SMALLER TRACKS NOTICE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE?  (Read 839 times)
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« on: February 09, 2013, 06:01:41 AM »

Just curious.
If not then it is obvious that people really only want to bet the Meadowlands.
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2013, 09:43:16 AM »

Good Point......  would heavy drinkers substitute generic vodka when grey goose is out of stock??  would some even try hairspray??

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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2013, 10:04:12 AM »

Just curious.
If not then it is obvious that people really only want to bet the Meadowlands.

Northfields handle looked smaller than usual. Not sure of the actual numbers, but definitely less
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2013, 10:06:58 AM »

I don't think calx increased but Beave or rockstar know that
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2013, 01:26:04 PM »

Just curious.
If not then it is obvious that people really only want to bet the Meadowlands.

Remember all those tracks that were closed for live racing were also closed for simulcasting, including their satellite locations.  So, no, it is not obvious.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2013, 04:17:56 PM »

With the big storm ,  I think lots of folks have other things to worry about than betting.  so not certain.   this would be more interesting in august.  check the handle on other tracks on saturday after the mdw has closed.
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 09:04:25 PM »

Remember all those tracks that were closed for live racing were also closed for simulcasting, including their satellite locations.  So, no, it is not obvious.

Most gamble from home now?
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2013, 01:54:39 PM »

Most gamble from home now?

They do?  "Most"? 

Then why are all these asskissers talking about big crowds at M1?
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2013, 02:22:10 PM »

They do?  "Most"? 

Then why are all these asskissers talking about big crowds at M1?
"big crowds" is a relative term. I am not sure how many North American tracks you have been to in the last 20 years but nearly every one has closed areas, snack bars, etc.
On track attendance is a fraction of what it once was.
Since M1 opened, attendance has been excellent (relative term), especially Friday and Saturday. You need to call for a reservation for Terraces, I doubt you have to call any track in North America to make a table/dinner reservation.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2013, 02:44:42 PM »

I am not sure how many North American tracks you have been to in the last 20 years

Obviously Pompano, road trips to Yonkers, Meadowlands, Balmoral, Maywood, Delaware, Meadows, Northfield, Saratoga Harness.  Only track where there was a "crowd" was at Delaware for the Jug.

My point is, if you say M1 is crowded & then also say "most" people bet at home, that's inconsistent. 

This thread was started to examine whether or not bettors are betting alternate tracks when M1 is closed.  From what I've seen, the conclusion I'm coming to is this past Friday was about the same as any other night where there is no racing at M1. 

But, M1, YR & all their simulcast outlets were closed, reducing the possibility of other tracks handling a higher betting total, therefor you must conclude that their totals would have been (significantly) higher.  Again though, other bettors had fewer tracks to bet so how can you really know?
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2013, 02:57:02 PM »

Obviously Pompano, road trips to Yonkers, Meadowlands, Balmoral, Maywood, Delaware, Meadows, Northfield, Saratoga Harness.  Only track where there was a "crowd" was at Delaware for the Jug.

My point is, if you say M1 is crowded & then also say "most" people bet at home, that's inconsistent. 

This thread was started to examine whether or not bettors are betting alternate tracks when M1 is closed.  From what I've seen, the conclusion I'm coming to is this past Friday was about the same as any other night where there is no racing at M1. 

But, M1, YR & all their simulcast outlets were closed, reducing the possibility of other tracks handling a higher betting total, therefor you must conclude that their totals would have been (significantly) higher.  Again though, other bettors had fewer tracks to bet so how can you really know?
Somebody recently (either Homestretch or Sulky? Maybe?) posted a Jeff Gural interview with Mike Schneider on a NJ channel. In his interview he states ( I cannot remember the exact amounts) that 1/10 of the handle comes from on track attendance. I think there are many factors, the biggest being travel. I support the track and go to live races, but it is a major pain, traffic is worse than its ever been, and between tolls and gas prices, you are spending, $50-$60 in travel expenses. Regardless, I go to M1 live, and the turnouts have been excellent (not what it used to be) especially on the weekends.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2013, 03:26:39 PM »

As a player from home with access to all of the tracks, I didn't play any of the smaller tracks that I don't like on Friday.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2013, 03:34:20 PM »

As a player from home with access to all of the tracks, I didn't play any of the smaller tracks that I don't like on Friday.

That's the tact I take. If the Meadowlands or WEG track is down, I take the night off.
Northville Downs, Cal Expo, don't do it for me.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2013, 04:32:22 PM »

So you guys don't really bother with harness racing for 2/3 of the year.

No M1 4 nights a week, no M1 from early August to mid-December.

I wouldn't really consider that "supporting" the tracks or the sport.
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2013, 04:41:05 PM »

So you guys don't really bother with harness racing for 2/3 of the year.

No M1 4 nights a week, no M1 from early August to mid-December.

I wouldn't really consider that "supporting" the tracks or the sport.

I support: Tioga, Vernon, Pocono, Grand River, Flamboro, Plainridge, Monticello, Chester, Freehold, and sometimes: Bamoral, Maywood, and Northfield.
I prefer to support tracks live and in person every chance I get.
Since the Big M is within 2 hours of me, I support it the most. I do NOT like Yonkers. If anyone needs proof I will save the live programs to prove it laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2013, 04:47:21 PM »

I support: Tioga, Vernon, Pocono, Grand River, Flamboro, Plainridge, Monticello, Chester, Freehold, and sometimes: Bamoral, Maywood, and Northfield.
I prefer to support tracks live and in person every chance I get.
Since the Big M is within 2 hours of me, I support it the most. I do NOT like Yonkers. If anyone needs proof I will save the live programs to prove it






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 I will admit I rarely support ANY track with Mooolah.........   I support the industry in my own ways.....   dont have to prove anything to anyone.....    nyah
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2013, 04:50:57 PM »

Big M is within 2 hours of me, I support it the most. I do NOT like Yonkers.

2 hours?Huh!!!!  That's a long freakin' way.  You have to be closer to other tracks.  I withdraw my support comment - sorry... 2 hours, wow!  When I lived in NY I was 35 minutes from RR, 50 minutes from YR & about an hour from M1, which I only went to maybe 6 times?  Probably 1 1/2 hours from Fhld, which I forgot to mention on tracks I've been to in the last 10 years.

I have no choices here but I also only live 25 minutes from PPK & my other simulcasting outlets are not nice facilities.
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2013, 05:12:56 PM »

2 hours?Huh!!!!  That's a long freakin' way.  You have to be closer to other tracks.  I withdraw my support comment - sorry... 2 hours, wow!  When I lived in NY I was 35 minutes from RR, 50 minutes from YR & about an hour from M1, which I only went to maybe 6 times?  Probably 1 1/2 hours from Fhld, which I forgot to mention on tracks I've been to in the last 10 years.

I have no choices here but I also only live 25 minutes from PPK & my other simulcasting outlets are not nice facilities.

I also got to Roosevelt in short time myself Dolfan. Sickening to me when it closed. Yonkers is much easier for me, but I do not like the track. I completely lost interest for Yonkers, especially years back when they reconfigured the stretch, and moved the finish line. I have been to Pompano a few times within last couple of years, wish I can get there more...weather is great! To me the Meadowlands offers the closest thing to the way the game once was. Tioga is great also.
I love Mohawk but cant get there that often.
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2013, 04:59:43 AM »

the Meadowlands offers the closest thing to the way the game once was.





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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2013, 08:38:30 AM »

I spent January in South Florida.
I was based 9 miles from PPK and I got there maybe 5 times..
I always enjoyed Pompano, going back to the 80's.
On my last trip to the track I decided to walk into the casino, which I have zero interest in.
I must say that they did a nice job on that facility, and the racing/simulcast area was nice..
As with all tracks today, there did not seem to be an excess of interest in the live racing, but I loved the weather, and I spoke a few times to the gal who does the TV interviews (she ain't bad looking).
The "crowds" at the Meadowands are probably deceptive these days.
They have people pushed into a smaller area these days, similar to what Garden State did years ago when the had the downstairs grandstand area closed.
I'm sure that on the weekend, the "crowd" numbers less than 3000, probably more like 2000.
I guess that is good for today, and the money mostly comes in from off track, but I remember the 80's and 90's when you actually had to wait on a line to bet..
Everything changes.
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2013, 01:32:55 PM »

I spent January in South Florida.
I was based 9 miles from PPK and I got there maybe 5 times..
I always enjoyed Pompano, going back to the 80's.
On my last trip to the track I decided to walk into the casino, which I have zero interest in.
I must say that they did a nice job on that facility, and the racing/simulcast area was nice..
As with all tracks today, there did not seem to be an excess of interest in the live racing, but I loved the weather, and I spoke a few times to the gal who does the TV interviews (she ain't bad looking).

Gigi is a very sweet & talented young woman.  Pretty hot, IMO too.

They are having their best season, as far as I can see, in the casino.  It is overcrowded on weekend nights.  The grandstand is going to be knocked-down - it has been condemned by local authorities.  They keep threatening to build a hotel but we'll see.  The bad news is when they do collapse the grandstand (probably July or August), there will really be only a tiny area for the horse player.  The area now, on the 2nd floor is always packed & you can rarely find a seat where someone is not standing right in front of you - usually Haitian or Jamaican.

Isle's original plan was scrapped because the Hard Rock Indian casino is always a few steps ahead as far as gaming & entertainment & that's where most of the younger people go.  Unless there is a level playing field, the tracks in South Florida will continue to fall far behind the Hard Rock.
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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2013, 01:47:32 PM »

I wondered if and when they would destroy the old grandstand down there for a smaller more efficient new one. They certainly dont need all those floors. I was impressed by the "buckle" in the 2nd or 3rd floor flooring. Seems to me, it wouldnt take a LOT for Pompano to be a fairly good site for racing and gambling. But hey, whats right and seemingly obvious costs more than anyone wants to spend. Look no further than Yonkers for that. Anyway, I have to agree with one aspect i usually drive the wife nuts with....S FL in the winter is just BEYOND great, weather wise. At least for me anyway.
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2013, 02:14:01 PM »

They have no intentions of building a new grandstand.  Without casino money the track would probably be gone by now so it would be bad business to sink more money into it.  The quality of horse gamblers that you have here is severely low so most new items (tv's & betting machines) are abused & have a short life span. 

Based on my travels over the past 10 years, only Yonkers had as low a quality of gambler as PPK with Meadows having the highest quality.  Those are just my observations.  When I visit a track I usually try to see the entire facility as they are often one-time visits but I do feel that it is still representative of the typical crowd.
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