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« on: February 01, 2013, 11:26:36 AM »

I know that several posters on BTW have extolled the positives of playing/visiting TBD in the past - and after a number of years of playing TBD minimally I finally put Tampa on my regular wagering radar last year. It's a challenging track for me as my preference is to selectively wager against the fav (and to ignore Ness is foolish). What I really like about this track is their typical 10 and 11 horse fields, turf and dirt races, low minimum wagers on most types of bets, full menu of exotic wagers, and my familiarity with some of the IL connections that winter there.

The reason for my post is not to do a PR bit for the track, but to express my great surprise at their daily handle. I wasn't paying attention to their mutual handle until last weekend. Last Sat it seemed like every race had $500k or more wagered. Sure enough, in looking at the charts they handled $5.1 Mil on a day with mostly nondescript races and one $75k stakes. Looking further I noted that over the course of the prior 10 days the handle seemed to average well above $3 Mil. Is that a a relatively recent occurrence? Their purses don't seem to reflect the handle (do they get slot supplements?).

What's up with that? Do any of you Tampa regulars (APCD Dan) care to comment?
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2013, 02:02:34 PM »

Their handle is starting to come back.  They took a hit the last couple of years with the dominance of Ness leading to shorter fields and prices.  If Ness continues to spread his horses around more, I expect the handle will increase even more.  PreNess they would regularly have bombs hitting and some crazy exotic payouts. I think it is a great place to play.
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2013, 02:11:41 PM »

They don't have slots, but they do have a poker room.  I don't know it that supplements their purses.  I wouldn't want to waste any conditions in their ALW races (17K, 20K if FL bred) but the claiming purses are a bit lower, but comparable to HAW.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2013, 02:20:46 PM »

I know that several posters on BTW have extolled the positives of playing/visiting TBD in the past - and after a number of years of playing TBD minimally I finally put Tampa on my regular wagering radar last year. It's a challenging track for me as my preference is to selectively wager against the fav (and to ignore Ness is foolish). What I really like about this track is their typical 10 and 11 horse fields, turf and dirt races, low minimum wagers on most types of bets, full menu of exotic wagers, and my familiarity with some of the IL connections that winter there.

The reason for my post is not to do a PR bit for the track, but to express my great surprise at their daily handle. I wasn't paying attention to their mutual handle until last weekend. Last Sat it seemed like every race had $500k or more wagered. Sure enough, in looking at the charts they handled $5.1 Mil on a day with mostly nondescript races and one $75k stakes. Looking further I noted that over the course of the prior 10 days the handle seemed to average well above $3 Mil. Is that a a relatively recent occurrence? Their purses don't seem to reflect the handle (do they get slot supplements?).

What's up with that? Do any of you Tampa regulars (APCD Dan) care to comment?

You have pretty much nailed it.  Big handle, small purses for such handles.  They usually run handles up to 2/3rds of GP.  I asked Margo, the analyst and VP of Marketing, about the difference and she blamed the state of Florida, whatever that means.  They do not have slot supplements, but they do have a card room that contributes.  

They get a lot of decent horses, the second stringers from Mott, Motion, Clemente and the other big trainers.  TBD is located not that far from Ocala which gives these guys a short van trip to the track.

Most of the Illinois trainers are not there this year due to the Hawthorne situation.   However, Granitz seems to have a few down there and has won several races.

The turf track is beautiful and the dirt track is good.  The grandstand is small and old.  They have big crowds every day of the week.  A number of retired people from the northeast and midwest live in the Tampa area and frequent the track, although a number of locals show up too.

It does not seem Ness is dominating quite as much as he has been at TBD.  He has a number of his better horses at GP this year.  Of course, Centeno and Serpa are the go to jocks but they have a large jockey colony that have some good, but not-so-well known riders.

It is a well-run track that truly is based on horse racing.  The place does not glitter but it is fun and reminds you of the better times in horse racing.  I will be going there early in March.

One final thing, the track is not an easy track to bet.  Horses come in from the smaller Ohio and northeastern tracks, as well as a number from the bigger trainers.  You throw the Calder shippers into the mix and you have some handicapping to do.  Have fun!
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2013, 02:40:22 PM »

Its a tough track and usually not in my rotation unless they run on a mon-wed.   Because of low level races and low level shippers.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2013, 02:44:58 PM »

I noticed nice crowds out on the apron during weekdays.
 
shippers from Dec 1-Jan 30                               ROI/$1.00

Shp Unl           00016  00001    06% 13% 13%    0.11 0.44 0.34          
Shp AP           00011  00000    00% 27% 27%    0.00 1.10 0.55              
Shp AQU         00018  00003    17% 50% 61%    0.74 1.12 1.04          
Shp BEL          00023  00006    26% 35% 48%    0.56 0.59 0.76        
Shp BEU          00004  00000    00% 00% 00%    0.00 0.00 0.00              
Shp CBY          00008  00002    25% 25% 38%    0.93 0.53 0.56          
Shp CD            00063  00015    24% 35% 52%    1.17 0.80 0.91          
Shp CNL           00019  00001    05% 11% 11%    0.27 0.21 0.15        
Shp CRC           00294  00031    11% 22% 38%    0.78 0.76 0.85        
Shp CT             00007  00001    14% 14% 14%    1.13 0.50 0.40    
Shp DED           00002  00000    00% 50% 50%    0.00 1.20 0.80            
Shp DEL           00055  00009    16% 25% 36%    0.63 0.72 0.67      
Shp ELP           00005  00002    40% 60% 60%    1.20 1.14 0.82      
Shp FE            00013  00000    00% 15% 23%    0.00 1.26 0.69            
Shp FG            00003  00002    67% 67% 67%    7.10 3.07 2.13      
Shp FL            00016  00002    13% 38% 44%    0.61 1.78 1.11      
Shp GP            00122  00021    17% 33% 47%    0.60 0.71 0.81        
Shp HAW         00001  00000    00% 00% 00%    0.00 0.00 0.00              
Shp HOL            00001  00000    00% 100 100    0.00 1.80 1.50            
Shp HOO          00044  00007    16% 25% 32%    1.11 0.80 0.68        
Shp KD            00001  00000    00% 00% 00%    0.00 0.00 0.00            
Shp KEE           00040  00008    20% 30% 45%    1.37 0.84 0.88        
Shp LRL            00057  00007    12% 33% 54%    0.38 0.73 0.94      
Shp MED          00026  00002    08% 27% 35%    0.46 0.79 0.78        
Shp MNR          00029  00002    07% 34% 45%    0.41 1.09 0.98        
Shp MTH          00017  00005    29% 35% 35%    1.28 0.96 0.66        
Shp NP             00005  00001    20% 20% 40%    0.86 0.38 0.90      
Shp PEN           00028  00003    11% 36% 39%    0.28 0.66 0.55    
Shp PHA/PRX     00019  00002    11% 16% 32%    0.26 0.26 0.69        
Shp PID            00042  00003    07% 24% 38%    0.59 0.95 0.99      
Shp PRM            00001  00000    00% 00% 00%    0.00 0.00 0.00            
Shp RD             00001  00000    00% 00% 00%    0.00 0.00 0.00            
Shp RP             00001  00000    00% 00% 00%    0.00 0.00 0.00            
Shp SA              00002  00002    100 100 100    1.75 1.40 1.08    
Shp SAR            00006  00000    00% 17% 17%    0.00 0.25 0.18              
Shp SUF            00109  00009    08% 13% 22%    0.69 0.61 0.61      
Shp TAM            01406  00162    12% 23% 35%    0.74 0.70 0.71        
Shp TDN            00041  00004    10% 22% 32%    1.11 0.74 0.71      
Shp TP              00010  00001    10% 20% 50%    0.54 0.50 1.12      
Shp TUP            00002  00001    50% 50% 50%    3.35 1.65 1.30      
Shp WO             00016  00000    00% 25% 38%    0.00 0.46 0.47                
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2013, 03:39:38 PM »

i havent played the track in years but as APCD dan mentioned it is not a easy track to play but it generally does produce some nice prices overall. horses seem (atleast when i saw) to either love or hate the surface so local record heavily prevailed over recent form when i wagered on races there especially early on in the meet
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2013, 04:55:10 PM »

But who can stand listening to that caller!  He gives me a headache.  Sometimes I even walk outside during a race it's so bad.
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2013, 06:38:15 PM »

Pam, my husband and I don't mind listening to the race call.  The first time we heard him, and that was years ago, we both thought he sounded like a narrator that used to be on the Rocky & Bullwinkle Show so everytime I hear him, I think of Rocky & Bullwinkle and it's fond memories for me and it's even better when I win at Tampa.

For anyone who wants to make the comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65t-OzhlmvE

Tampa race replays, click on today's date and Race 1:

http://www.tampabaydowns.com/daily-replays.aspx
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2013, 06:48:29 PM »

 
 Great Place to Attend the Races.

 Great Place to Bet the Races.

 Great Place to avoid the Chicago, New York or New Jersey Loudmouths.

 Great Place to Escape the Cold.

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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2013, 07:02:44 PM »

Pam, my husband and I don't mind listening to the race call.  The first time we heard him, and that was years ago, we both thought he sounded like a narrator that used to be on the Rocky & Bullwinkle Show so everytime I hear him, I think of Rocky & Bullwinkle and it's fond memories for me and it's even better when I win at Tampa.

For anyone who wants to make the comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65t-OzhlmvE

Tampa race replays, click on today's date and Race 1:


It's been so lon since I watched Rocky that I had forgotten.  They sound so much alike.  Maybe that will make it easier to listen to now. 

http://www.tampabaydowns.com/daily-replays.aspx
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2013, 08:29:50 PM »

The turf track is beautiful and the dirt track is good.  The grandstand is small and old.  They have big crowds every day of the week.  A number of retired people from the northeast and midwest live in the Tampa area and frequent the track, although a number of locals show up too.

It is a well-run track that truly is based on horse racing.  The place does not glitter but it is fun and reminds you of the better times in horse racing.  I will be going there early in March.

One final thing, the track is not an easy track to bet.  Horses come in from the smaller Ohio and northeastern tracks, as well as a number from the bigger trainers.  You throw the Calder shippers into the mix and you have some handicapping to do.  Have fun!
Dan should know, I bumped into the hat years ago when I had vacation time in winter, it's been too long since I made it down there.

The only point of contention is the last paragraph.   Dan, I want you to tell me an easy track to bet.   Every track is a mystery to me and especially in winter because most places have shippers.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2013, 11:19:12 PM »

Dan should know, I bumped into the hat years ago when I had vacation time in winter, it's been too long since I made it down there.

The only point of contention is the last paragraph.   Dan, I want you to tell me an easy track to bet.   Every track is a mystery to me and especially in winter because most places have shippers.

I agree, that sure is true for me too.  I was thinking of the handicappers on this forum who may think that they can clean up on little Tampa.
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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2013, 07:33:18 AM »

I agree, that sure is true for me too.  I was thinking of the handicappers on this forum who may think that they can clean up on little Tampa.
I remember way back in the day (we are talking late 60's early 70's when I first went to Hialeah and Gulfstream.  I considered that I knew a whole lot about racing and yeah, we would be taking money from the chumps down south.   My father beat that out of me quickly since he had so much experience.   We stuck to oour conservative betting style and most years broke even or made a few hundred bucks.  

I remember one year, we were having a terrible Gulfstream meet and on the last day we were down (we may have had one or two winners in two weeks).   That was the day we hit on a parlay and made it all back in one day.   We were certainly lucky that day but thetimes we struggled were never from being overconfident.  
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