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« Reply #475 on: January 17, 2013, 01:38:01 AM »

FYI  There are more people on some form of welfare in the state of Illinois than there are tax payers.

This is such bullcrap.

Let's just forget about the non-working dependents, because both working people and welfare cases have them, and look at the numbers that are measured.

There are nearly 6 million jobs in Illinois (out of a ~13M population). Every one of those jobs is paying taxes of some sort like social security or medicare or whatever, and if they make enough Federal and State income tax ... not to mention all the other taxes everyone gets stuck with, welfare recipient or not, like gas tax and sales tax and property tax and whatever.

http://www.ides.illinois.gov/Custom/Library/publications/PressReleases/MonthlyStatewideEmploymentRelease.pdf

Meanwhile, actual "welfare" recipients are 1.8M.

http://www.robparal.com/downloads/Immigrants_Illinois_welfare.pdf

Food stamp households just 857,000 (yes it seems low) and even then those household could be paying taxes:

http://www.peoplesworld.org/food-stamp-use-jumps-to-record-rates-in-illinois/

And then as far as people on the "welfare" of Social Security or Medicare ... THEY ALREADY WORKED FOR IT ALL THEIR LIVES!  doh

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At least the horsemen are willing to work every day for their "welfare"

Lots of people collecting "welfare" in the form of food stamps and so on are working their asses off, too. I'm willing to bet some of those same traditional food stamp and Medicaid and whatnot welfare recipients are horsemen and horsemen's help, too.

Late update: Here's some additional info on sporthorse's claim ... turns out what she wrote is based on one of those phony right wing "Well, it sounds good to me because I hate them too" emails that float around, the contents of which get slurped up and dutifully regurgitated by the gullible.

http://factcheck.org/2013/01/death-spiral-states/   
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« Reply #476 on: January 19, 2013, 01:24:10 PM »

Janine had the following linked from the ILHBPA, stating rules about required herpes vaccinations for any horses entering or stabled at a track. Presumably this means any horses already at Fairmount, too?

http://ilhbpa.com/equine-herpesvirus/
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« Reply #477 on: January 19, 2013, 08:17:04 PM »

Janine had the following linked from the ILHBPA, stating rules about required herpes vaccinations for any horses entering or stabled at a track. Presumably this means any horses already at Fairmount, too?

http://ilhbpa.com/equine-herpesvirus/
Yes, that is correct.
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« Reply #478 on: January 20, 2013, 11:48:12 PM »

This is such bullcrap.

Let's just forget about the non-working dependents, because both working people and welfare cases have them, and look at the numbers that are measured.

There are nearly 6 million jobs in Illinois (out of a ~13M population). Every one of those jobs is paying taxes of some sort like social security or medicare or whatever, and if they make enough Federal and State income tax ... not to mention all the other taxes everyone gets stuck with, welfare recipient or not, like gas tax and sales tax and property tax and whatever.

http://www.ides.illinois.gov/Custom/Library/publications/PressReleases/MonthlyStatewideEmploymentRelease.pdf

Meanwhile, actual "welfare" recipients are 1.8M.

http://www.robparal.com/downloads/Immigrants_Illinois_welfare.pdf

Food stamp households just 857,000 (yes it seems low) and even then those household could be paying taxes:

http://www.peoplesworld.org/food-stamp-use-jumps-to-record-rates-in-illinois/

And then as far as people on the "welfare" of Social Security or Medicare ... THEY ALREADY WORKED FOR IT ALL THEIR LIVES!  doh

Lots of people collecting "welfare" in the form of food stamps and so on are working their asses off, too. I'm willing to bet some of those same traditional food stamp and Medicaid and whatnot welfare recipients are horsemen and horsemen's help, too.

Late update: Here's some additional info on sporthorse's claim ... turns out what she wrote is based on one of those phony right wing "Well, it sounds good to me because I hate them too" emails that float around, the contents of which get slurped up and dutifully regurgitated by the gullible.

http://factcheck.org/2013/01/death-spiral-states/   
This was quoted from an edition of MSNBC "hardly" what you would consider right wing! They further stated that there were 7 other states in the same shape. Kentucky also being one of them. I do not consider Social Security to be welfare nor an entitlement and Im pretty certain that they were counting people who work at below living wage jobs and draw food stamps and Medicaid.
  As far as horsemen are concerned there are those who do take full advantage of the welfare system and without trying to sound ignorant the mass majority are Hispanic. Im not one of those "hate them too" type people. The system has been abused for years and its no secret the tax paying citizen pool is steadily dwindling.
  I worked two jobs for the biggest part of my life and put three children thru private school and did the vast majority of it working on the track and never drew a days worth of welfare. I for one get highly insulted when the government tries to rope Social Security in the same sentence with welfare or the word entitlement
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« Reply #479 on: January 20, 2013, 11:52:34 PM »

Janine had the following linked from the ILHBPA, stating rules about required herpes vaccinations for any horses entering or stabled at a track. Presumably this means any horses already at Fairmount, too?

http://ilhbpa.com/equine-herpesvirus/

We have already vaccinated ours last week with a six way...I highly recommend everyone get it done soon! thumbs up
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« Reply #480 on: January 21, 2013, 12:15:16 AM »

This was quoted from an edition of MSNBC "hardly" what you would consider right wing! They further stated that there were 7 other states in the same shape. Kentucky also being one of them.

Did you bother to read the factcheck.org piece?

"A viral email making this claim is off base. It distorts a Forbes article that compares private-sector workers with those “dependent on the government,” including government workers and pensioners, and Medicaid recipients — not just “people on welfare.”

The same Forbes piece was the basis of distorted Fox News reporting, and I'd wager if you heard it from MSNBC, they were probably skewering the Fox Nws take.

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I do not consider Social Security to be welfare nor an entitlement and Im pretty certain that they were counting people who work at below living wage jobs and draw food stamps and Medicaid.

Well, I can see you didn't bother to read that story. See above.
 
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As far as horsemen are concerned there are those who do take full advantage of the welfare system and without trying to sound ignorant the mass majority are Hispanic. Im not one of those "hate them too" type people. The system has been abused for years and its no secret the tax paying citizen pool is steadily dwindling.

The taxpaying citizen pool is not dwindling. There are more taxpayers now than there have ever been, paying all sorts of taxes. What there are is more government dependents, thanks largely to a big baby boom of retirees.

And here's another article that directly refutes your original faulty claim, "FYI  There are more people on some form of welfare in the state of Illinois than there are tax payers."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/deathspiral.asp
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« Reply #481 on: January 21, 2013, 04:10:58 PM »



      When you say there are more tax paying citizens then ever before are you counting the part time minimum wage jobs that are just about the only thing available anymore? You surely arent buying the drop in the unemployment rate doh


Do you agree or disagree with this article....Just wondering                         http://www.zerohedge.com/article/entitlement-america-head-household-making-minimum-wage-has-more-disposable-income-family-mak


And yes I read the factcheck piece..

Also like to add that Ive read several articles where the Red states are being blamed for the welfare state of mind. Seems to me instead of the politicians choosing to put people back to work at a decent living wage its much easier to point fingers back and forth to blame for the rise in welfare recipients
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« Reply #482 on: January 21, 2013, 04:26:17 PM »

When you say there are more tax paying citizens then ever before are you counting the part time minimum wage jobs that are just about the only thing available anymore? You surely arent buying the drop in the unemployment rate doh

There are more people every year, and every one of them who works a job has to (is supposed to) pay taxes.

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Do you agree or disagree with this article....Just wondering

There aren't all that many poor head of households pulling in every one of those benefits, or using their entire Medicaid benefits if they have them.
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« Reply #483 on: January 21, 2013, 04:33:30 PM »

It's good to see that the virus is seemingly under control, given that this thread gets bumped to discuss who pays taxes and who doesn't.

Rumor has it Oaklawn will begin accepting Hawthorne horses in early to mid February. They have not made an announcement that I'm aware of, but are supposedly telling trainers that the ban will be lifted in less than 30 days. Anyone else hearing this?
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« Reply #484 on: January 21, 2013, 05:00:31 PM »

Greetings from Sunny Negril, Jamaica....

I am still interested in running at Hawthorne, but won't do so until FP lifts the 28-day ban.  There is a lot of talk about Mid-Feb (coincidently when the Hawthorne meet opens).  Just talk, though. 
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« Reply #485 on: January 21, 2013, 05:02:19 PM »

Greetings from Sunny Negril, Jamaica....

I am still interested in running at Hawthorne, but won't do so until FP lifts the 28-day ban.  There is a lot of talk about Mid-Feb (coincidently when the Hawthorne meet opens).  Just talk, though. 

Horses can come back to FP from Hawthorne on Feb 9th.
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« Reply #486 on: January 21, 2013, 05:12:55 PM »

 
 Umbrella drinks in Jamaica , instead of Beer from the Bottle at Ardie's , What a Deal.
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« Reply #487 on: January 21, 2013, 10:45:04 PM »

It's good to see that the virus is seemingly under control, given that this thread gets bumped to discuss who pays taxes and who doesn't.

Rumor has it Oaklawn will begin accepting Hawthorne horses in early to mid February. They have not made an announcement that I'm aware of, but are supposedly telling trainers that the ban will be lifted in less than 30 days. Anyone else hearing this?

Not exactly the same, but generally similar--vague rumors about other states opening up around early- to mid-February (assuming no further flare-ups).  Fingers crossed.
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« Reply #488 on: January 21, 2013, 10:50:57 PM »

Not exactly the same, but generally similar--vague rumors about other states opening up around early- to mid-February (assuming no further flare-ups).  Fingers crossed.

Good hear a semi confirmation. As much as anywhere else, in the horse racing business it seems where there is smoke there is fire.
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« Reply #489 on: January 22, 2013, 05:36:08 PM »

I see Haran is running several horses at Beulah, J Jones as the trainer. A win doesn't cover the ship? or is it paid training!
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« Reply #490 on: January 23, 2013, 12:16:16 AM »

Did the horse run at Hawthorne ?
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« Reply #491 on: January 23, 2013, 07:06:55 AM »


  Both Raced at HAW

 # 7 in Race 3 ran on 12/20/2012

 # 4 in Race 8 ran on 12/22/2012

 Today is 1/23/2013
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« Reply #492 on: January 23, 2013, 09:38:34 AM »

Yes several of them have started a number of times at Hawthorne, there are many more entered. I dont follow the Beulah card but look at those purses!!!!
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« Reply #493 on: January 23, 2013, 11:47:17 AM »

Yes several of them have started a number of times at Hawthorne, there are many more entered. I dont follow the Beulah card but look at those purses!!!!

Soon to be pumped up by slots welfare ... maybe AFTER Penn National moves the casino/track to Dayton (?). Well, somewhere in Ohio where there's MUCH higher demand for horse racing.
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« Reply #494 on: January 23, 2013, 10:58:01 PM »

Beulah Park is still slated to be shut down and relocated at Mahoning Valley, near Youngstown.  At the present, the Ohio horsemen are balking loudly at the plan, which includes no stables to speak of.  Though it appears to be moving forward, it is not 100% a done deal.
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« Reply #495 on: January 23, 2013, 11:26:27 PM »

By the way, on-track handle at Beulah is incredibly miniscule.  Tuesday was $8123 and Wednesday about $10,000.  I used to bet that on my own, a few years back.  There is some attendance, but I guess most come for the cheap Pepsi.

Regarding the purses, they are actually higher this meet.  In the fall meet, there were maiden claiming $2k and NW1/2 years for $2k----- Both had purses of $2000.  How would you like to lose your maiden condition for $900 after Jock Mount/Pony/Lasix?

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