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Author Topic: Dutrow denied a 3rd time by NY Supreme Court  (Read 2187 times)
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« on: January 08, 2013, 10:39:33 AM »


His lawyer says that's their last attempt in State courts.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/75417/ny-court-again-declines-dutrow-hearing
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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2013, 11:59:16 AM »

Not to nitpick, Terry, but in NY, the Supreme Court is the trial court of first instance.  This came from the NY Court of Appeals, and was fully expected.
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2013, 02:31:33 PM »

Not to nitpick, Terry, but in NY, the Supreme Court is the trial court of first instance.  This came from the NY Court of Appeals, and was fully expected.

Anybody who watched Law & Order should know that.  Got to forgive Terry, he is too busy on a computer to be aware of this.
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2013, 02:33:27 PM »

LOL, it's actually filmed in Supreme Court, NY County; the steps lead up to the Supreme Court building, but (comically) not the one in which criminal cases are tried.  Best place in NY to see stars and starlets, if you're so inclined.
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2013, 04:37:54 PM »

Anybody who watched Law & Order should know that.  Got to forgive Terry, he is too busy on a computer to be aware of this.

Unforgivable crime that totally invalidates the information about Dutrow.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2013, 05:03:21 PM »

No surprises.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2013, 07:33:49 PM »

he could of already had a year or more done if he would have taken his "lumps"when they were handed down!
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2013, 08:47:05 PM »

Unfortunately his last name isn't Armstrong.
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2013, 10:45:48 PM »

he could of already had a year or more done if he would have taken his "lumps"when they were handed down!

That doesn't make any sense. You say it like 9 years out of the game --or at least ruled off any major track -- is a piece of cake. Most people can't go 9 weeks without income.

Makes FAR more sense to do what Dutrow is doing: continue training while appealing the ruling (perfectly legal and without a smidge of moral taint), stockpile as much cash as possible, and hope that when they get in front of truly unbiased ears (SCOTUS), they catch a break and get the leverage they need to negotiate a lighter suspension.

And if they succeed with the latter, you and all the other tongue-cluckers will have learned a valuable lesson about our legal system: you don't just give in without a thorough examination of your rights and your options. If Dutrow gets stuck with the 10 year suspension, he's still hundreds of thousands of dollars ahead of where he would be had he started serving the suspension immediately.

Honestly, unless you are one of these dickheads that hates Dutrow based solely on what you've read in the press (and just want him out of the game at any cost, right or wrong, because you are a True Believer and think that his departure will improve racing), I think you could have noodled this one out for yourself.
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2013, 10:56:56 PM »

That only works if he is making more money than he is paying in legal fees. Supreme Court cases aren't cheap.
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2013, 11:07:17 PM »

That only works if he is making more money than he is paying in legal fees. Supreme Court cases aren't cheap.


You are correct.

Dutrow's horses earned over $7 million in 2012, so he's way ahead, legal fees notwithstanding. If he can squeeze out another 6 - 9 months, he's be sitting on a pretty decent pile.

(Then, he gets the beard trainer in place...)
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2013, 08:00:10 AM »

Hard to see a case like this ever getting to the US S. Ct.--they don't take many cases, and this one doesn't seem to have anything special about it that would lead the justices to want to hear it, but they'll no doubt take a shot at federal district court and maybe one level of appeal.  I would have to think his chances are not very good, but I say that not knowing any of the details (just based on the overall difficulty of getting a federal court to overturn a state court decision).
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2013, 08:28:29 AM »

Dutrow's horses earned over $7 million in 2012, so he's way ahead, legal fees notwithstanding. If he can squeeze out another 6 - 9 months, he's be sitting on a pretty decent pile.

$7 million in purses = trainer share of $700,000 ... hope it can carry him 10 years, because he is going down.
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2013, 08:52:23 AM »

Terry,

Nothing will change.  Horses will run under his assistant Michelle's name and business will carry on as usual.  Just as it has in the past.

Sod
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2013, 09:28:33 AM »

Dutrow is no dummy he is going to exhaust every oppurtunity available to him like he should. His sentence is life, even after his suspension is over he will never be granted a license again anywhere to race and he knows that.
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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2013, 09:41:17 AM »

Terry,

Nothing will change.  Horses will run under his assistant Michelle's name and business will carry on as usual.  Just as it has in the past.

Sod

Just like Asmussen and his assistants.
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2013, 10:04:32 AM »

...he is going down.

C'mon. You weren't born yesterday.

It will be much more difficult for him to operate, yes, but he ain't going nowhere.

Racing will get it's totally meaningless "feelgood", though, and that is what is important.  Wink   

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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2013, 10:11:40 AM »

C'mon. You weren't born yesterday.

It will be much more difficult for him to operate, yes, but he ain't going nowhere.

Racing will get it's totally meaningless "feelgood", though, and that is what is important.  Wink   


So apparently it does no good to ever sanction any wrong-doers of racing, and we should just save the money by doing away with all testing and TRPB and stewards and racing board investigators and auditors and everything else, and just let the jackals fight it out amongst themselves, "anything goes", and offer wagering on that product. Sounds like a real growth business.
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2013, 10:18:15 AM »

So apparently it does no good to ever sanction any wrong-doers of racing, and we should just save the money by doing away with all testing and TRPB and stewards and racing board investigators and auditors and everything else, and just let the jackals fight it out amongst themselves, "anything goes", and offer wagering on that product. Sounds like a real growth business.

Sounds like what has happened (in the t-bred world*) after Dutrow got busted. ZZZZzzzzzzz......a big NOTHING. No other big name trainers use? No other significant findings in two plus years? Everybody is back on hay, oats and water?

Bullshit.




(* I don't count a trivial bunch of positives at some leaky-roof third-tier track as anything substantial.)
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2013, 10:59:06 AM »

 doh

We went through all this several times before and Dutrow is NOT some lone martyr.  

Asmussen got his time off. That French named snake venom trainer got his time off. O'Neill got his time off. The big harness winner got his LONG time off. And all those trainers at smaller SW tracks got their long, long suspensions, whether you personally consider that meaningful or not.
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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2013, 02:25:25 PM »

Whatever is the OPPOSITE of a 'black eye' for racing, well, this is it!  trophy

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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2013, 07:43:58 PM »

His last attempt is Federal court:

http://www.drf.com/news/dutrow-plans-fight-suspension-federal-court
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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2013, 08:09:24 PM »

Terry,

Nothing will change.  Horses will run under his assistant Michelle's name and business will carry on as usual.  Just as it has in the past.

Sod
just like it is done in harness racing...
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2013, 11:36:52 PM »

doh

We went through all this several times before and Dutrow is NOT some lone martyr.  

Asmussen got his time off. That French named snake venom trainer got his time off. O'Neill got his time off. The big harness winner got his LONG time off. And all those trainers at smaller SW tracks got their long, long suspensions, whether you personally consider that meaningful or not.

NOBODY at a decent track got 10 years. You're simply lying to yourself if you don't think they are trying to make an example out of Dutrow.

(Please -- enough of the inbred nobodies that got suspended from the bush tracks -- no one cares. Ask one person in the game if they feel better because some backwoods trainers nobody ever heard of from a track nobody ever bets got suspended. BFD.)
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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2013, 12:27:19 PM »

NOBODY at a decent track got 10 years.

What difference does it make "decent" track or 2nd tier? Absolutely none, is what. And. I might add, the harness guy NY also took down, Pena, was running at NY's "decent" harness track.

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You're simply lying to yourself if you don't think they are trying to make an example out of Dutrow.

And you're just making excuses.

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(Please -- enough of the inbred nobodies that got suspended from the bush tracks -- no one cares.

You are the ONLY person who thinks this trifling difference means a thing. A suspended trainer is a suspended trainer, and 10 years is 10 years. Dutrow's punishment is not unique, as you try to make it out to be.

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Ask one person in the game if they feel better because some backwoods trainers nobody ever heard of from a track nobody ever bets got suspended. BFD.)

Sorry to have to be the one to clue you in, but lots of people bet Louisiana racing.
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