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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2013, 03:48:28 PM »

Yeah, and they all paid $3.60 or some such. What good is it?
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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2013, 03:51:56 PM »

YIMMY,,,A SHORT PRICE IS BETTER THAN A LONG FACE ALWAYS
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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2013, 03:59:43 PM »

Touche.  Wink
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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2013, 05:18:30 PM »

If Sears stays at Yonkers, as seems likely, I am wondering if it will cost him any Grand Circuit drives? I agree with the above comment that I do not think anyone is losing any sleep at the Meadowlands-from management to heavy bettors to casual fans-that Sears is not there. But I am a bit surprised if he chooses Yonkers, because I think the more not-so-sound horses he (and the other drivers) campaign around those tight turns, the more likely the risk of an accident and injury. And he made it clear last year at the Meadowlands that he would not drive in the cheapest claimers.
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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2013, 05:23:09 PM »

If he wants to be a prima donna, let him go back to the Meadows whence he came.
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« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2013, 05:45:47 PM »

If he wants to be a prima donna, let him go back to the Meadows whence he came.
Where he was the perrenial second place finisher to that no good Palone, who only beats up lesser talent.
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« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2013, 05:52:36 PM »

I assume there's some referent there, an old thread or some such... expla-ma-nation, please?
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« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2013, 05:59:52 PM »

I assume there's some referent there, an old thread or some such... expla-ma-nation, please?
Not really.
The facts were that Sears never beat Palone at the Meadows.
Sears then goes on the be the top driver (certainly top 2-3) in North America for a good stretch.
Yet Palone gets little or no respect. At least on the forums. (not that that really counts for anything)
Never made much sense to me.
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« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2013, 06:07:18 PM »

Without horsemen entering at the track then there is no customers.  The bettor needs the horsemen just the like horsemen needs the bettor, they need to allow horsemen to survive at the track

the bettor does not need the horsemen,they will just find something else to bet on
just look at all the dopes playing the slots

the horsemen are the ones who need the bettors whether they are slot or horseplayers

 i seriously doubt gamblers will stop gambling if there is no horse racing
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« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2013, 06:27:32 PM »

Not really.
The facts were that Sears never beat Palone at the Meadows.
Sears then goes on the be the top driver (certainly top 2-3) in North America for a good stretch.
Yet Palone gets little or no respect. At least on the forums. (not that that really counts for anything)
Never made much sense to me.

Good god.  I generally don't read the driver-comparison threads.  The ones I did read (cuD Danial Doobay beeT bReT miLorR on a 58/179s TraK??) were so stupid as to sour me on the whole oeuvre.
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« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2013, 06:47:31 PM »

Good god.  I generally don't read the driver-comparison threads.  The ones I did read (cuD Danial Doobay beeT bReT miLorR on a 58/179s TraK??) were so stupid as to sour me on the whole oeuvre.
gotcha
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« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2013, 06:48:36 PM »

 Wink
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« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2013, 09:16:54 PM »

I mean every so often back in the day at Yonkers, you'd have a race in which Julius Kohegyi or Herman Hylkema or some such autotoss would hand the lines to Loosh.  Okay... fine.  3-2, 6-5... no secrets.  Too obvious.

This is the first time in 30 years I saw these two names mentioned in one sentence.
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« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2013, 09:45:00 PM »

Where have you gone Robert Burgholzer/a nation turns its lonely eyes to you...
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« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2013, 11:53:04 PM »

the bettor does not need the horsemen,they will just find something else to bet on
just look at all the dopes playing the slots

the horsemen are the ones who need the bettors whether they are slot or horseplayers

 i seriously doubt gamblers will stop gambling if there is no horse racing


they will stop gambling on horse racing
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« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2013, 08:42:13 AM »

the bettor does not need the horsemen,they will just find something else to bet on
just look at all the dopes playing the slots

the horsemen are the ones who need the bettors whether they are slot or horseplayers

 i seriously doubt gamblers will stop gambling if there is no horse racing

BINGO!

And it would be in their best interest to cultivate actual horseplayers rather than just sucking more welfare from slots players which we should all understand by now is temporary regardless of what a law might say at the time. It shouldn't be hard for anyone with a brain to grasp what Gural is attempting to do.
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« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2013, 08:51:27 AM »

Sears is still mad about Irish Elitist dumping and dragging him on the way to the gate in the first round of last yearís Clyde Hirt. Heís driven the horse three times since that incident, over at Yonkers, but for the most part he seems to keep his distance.
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« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2013, 09:01:03 AM »

Also, big picture here, I don't want to sound naive. I know that getting slots at the Meadowlands is Gural's end game. But he is first and foremost a racing guy. He's never going to sell racing down the river. He'll use those slots to help racing. Now, of course, Gural will not live forever and who knows what happens when he's gone. But right now he is the best hope racing has.

That's as opposed to Illinois where I truly believe that a slots bill will be the death knell for racing. The Johnstons are looking to put money in their pockets. If they can do that without the headaches of horses and horsemen, they certainly will. They're getting the casino, the horsemen aren't. And nobody should forget that. Canadian horsemen thought they were partners in a casino too.
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« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2013, 01:57:20 PM »

My experience hs been that you frequently get great prices on huge driver changes on horses with no apparent form.

You guys cash on Dauplaise to Dube for a $100 payoff?  I know I missed that one, but I have cashed many a telephone number at similar angles.
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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2013, 03:00:09 PM »

the bettor does not need the horsemen,they will just find something else to bet on
just look at all the dopes playing the slots

the horsemen are the ones who need the bettors whether they are slot or horseplayers

 i seriously doubt gamblers will stop gambling if there is no horse racing

100% fact.  Or they will stop gambling...god forbid that!  Lucky there is crack, hookers, bubblegum, etc.  There is no economic sense to the statement that bettors need horsemen.  Emotional, perhaps, but I'm sure we've all lost something we loved and recovered from that loss.  But ask people who lose their job in a specific area with little or no other skill how they recover.  That is why racing will continue forever, at least my forever, because there is NOTHING else many of these people could do.  To believe otherwise is foolish.
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« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2013, 03:53:55 PM »

My experience hs been that you frequently get great prices on huge driver changes on horses with no apparent form.

You guys cash on Dauplaise to Dube for a $100 payoff?  I know I missed that one, but I have cashed many a telephone number at similar angles.

Is ANYONE short of Clair Umholtz to Dooby a good driver change?  He seems to have broken the track record for being needlessly five wide on the first turn.  Has Ford broken with him, as now seems to be the case?
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« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2013, 04:00:15 PM »

http://www.drf.com/news/yonkers-live-racing-resumes-friday-sears-drive
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« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2013, 10:51:12 AM »

In February of last year, four months before the flap between Gural and Brennan over comments the latter made about Lou Pena to the Times, Jeff Gural said the following to HRU:

"The only disappointment that I have had is the fact that
our leading driver last year has decided to drive at Yonkers,"
Gural said. "He's going to win an award this week
from USHWA and he was the Meadowlands' top driver last
year and he has abandoned the Meadowlands when we
needed him the most. I really appreciate the fact that the
other drivers have stuck by the Meadowlands."

Sears has seven drives at YR Friday. I wonder what Guralís thoughts are about him. Will he comment on Searsí decision to stay at Yonkers?

Sears isnít joined at the hip with a Pena like boogeyman the way Brennan was, so the circumstances arenít the same, but Gural isnít one to stew in silence.
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« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2013, 11:19:57 AM »

In February of last year, four months before the flap between Gural and Brennan over comments the latter made about Lou Pena to the Times, Jeff Gural said the following to HRU:

"The only disappointment that I have had is the fact that
our leading driver last year has decided to drive at Yonkers,"
Gural said. "He's going to win an award this week
from USHWA and he was the Meadowlands' top driver last
year and he has abandoned the Meadowlands when we
needed him the most. I really appreciate the fact that the
other drivers have stuck by the Meadowlands."

Sears has seven drives at YR Friday. I wonder what Guralís thoughts are about him. Will he comment on Searsí decision to stay at Yonkers?

Sears isnít joined at the hip with a Pena like boogeyman the way Brennan was, so the circumstances arenít the same, but Gural isnít one to stew in silence.


Yonkers races 5 days a week with higher purses and at worst he will be 2nd call in every race. He might lose some drives during the Grand circuit but that didn't seem to hurt Brennan's earnings.
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« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2013, 01:12:06 PM »

Good luck on the closers there, Bri!  Have fun!
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