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« Reply #100 on: January 01, 2013, 01:43:42 PM » |
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« Reply #101 on: January 01, 2013, 01:45:42 PM » |
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You're really comparing Cam to Admiral's Express? That's the best way I've ever heard to have all your opinions disregarded. It's just so wrong I don't know where to begin. Cam Fella went as fast as he needed to go to win. If he were racing today without a hubrail and with the modern bikes, he'd go faster. Long after he had retired they brought him out on Jug Day and and he spun around there in about 56 seconds when he was about 20 years old or something. Admiral's Express is a nice hard-knocking horse but Cam is an all-time great.
They both had a same desire to slowly discourage their competition with that never say die attitude...you know its not as crazy as one might think to compare the Pacing Machine and the Grey Gladiator.....they both got the job done without the flash and flare of other stars mentioned and sometimes it wasnt pretty  |
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« Reply #102 on: January 01, 2013, 01:51:16 PM » |
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6 hour trip with Billy O I'm sure there wasn't a dull moment...he has a great memory & is a great "story" teller  Does he like to talk or what!!....he remembers not only certain races but word for word conversations with trainers as they handed him the lines....great teller of tales true or not  |
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« Reply #103 on: January 01, 2013, 01:56:08 PM » |
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They both had a same desire to slowly discourage their competition with that never say die attitude...you know its not as crazy as one might think to compare the Pacing Machine and the Grey Gladiator.....they both got the job done without the flash and flare of other stars mentioned and sometimes it wasnt pretty I have nothing but admiration for Admiral's Express. It seemed like he kept going forever. I'd only be slightly surprised if I picked up a program for Northville and saw him at 3-5 on the M/L in their open.  But he's no Cam Fella. Cam Fella was a great, great horse. Don't let that "slow" TT mark of his fool you. He won all those races in a row against the best that there was at the time. A horse like Mr. Dalrae who was pretty damn great in his own right couldn't start him pacing. |
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« Reply #104 on: January 01, 2013, 02:07:48 PM » |
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I have nothing but admiration for Admiral's Express. It seemed like he kept going forever. I'd only be slightly surprised if I picked up a program for Northville and saw him at 3-5 on the M/L in their open. But he's no Cam Fella. Cam Fella was a great, great horse. Don't let that "slow" TT mark of his fool you. He won all those races in a row against the best that there was at the time. A horse like Mr. Dalrae who was pretty damn great in his own right couldn't start him pacing. Claiming King, Do you remember the hype when Cam Fella raced against Its Fritz ? Fritz took the lead at Meadowlands and opened up a quick 4 or 5 and Cam Fella came back for the win. |
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« Reply #105 on: January 01, 2013, 02:10:06 PM » |
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Claiming King,
Do you remember the hype when Cam Fella raced against Its Fritz ?
Fritz took the lead at Meadowlands and opened up a quick 4 or 5 and Cam Fella came back for the win.
Yeah, that was a great race. Fritz blew right by him at the top of the stretch and Cam just kept coming back at him. The two races Cam put together at Sportsman's in the summer of 1983 were something to see too. |
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« Reply #106 on: January 01, 2013, 02:26:11 PM » |
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Can someone please post a more impressive first lifetime start at grand river than the Beach? I thought not.
Most of us wouldn't know, since the place is way under the radar, and generally, good horses don't MAKE their first start at Grand River. But if you think his first start compares to Warrawee Needy's, I have a nice span from Brooklyn to Manhattan to sell you. |
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« Reply #107 on: January 01, 2013, 02:47:01 PM » |
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Bret Hanover and Albatross were before my time.
They were both better than Cam Fella. Of course Cam had Pat Crowe so he gets plenty of points for that. But Frank Ervin was a pathetic driver which puts Bret all alone. |
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« Reply #108 on: January 01, 2013, 02:56:08 PM » |
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I have nothing but admiration for Admiral's Express. It seemed like he kept going forever. I'd only be slightly surprised if I picked up a program for Northville and saw him at 3-5 on the M/L in their open. But he's no Cam Fella. Cam Fella was a great, great horse. Don't let that "slow" TT mark of his fool you. He won all those races in a row against the best that there was at the time. A horse like Mr. Dalrae who was pretty damn great in his own right couldn't start him pacing. I was there following Cam right from his purchase from Doug right to his last win over Monkey Wrench at Greenwood on retirement day and even his farewell tour years later.....he was maybe the greatest ever to be bred....that day at the Jug when Pat turned him on his retirement tour and he paced a last 1/4 in 27 and change with the crowd on their feet was the greatest moment in his whole career at twenty years old and after battling cancer the year before...he was a legend in the breeding shed also.....I think the mare Eternal Camnation had all of Cams guts and determination....Looking back as the sport is slowly leaving us Im glad I got to witness all those great moments. |
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« Reply #109 on: January 01, 2013, 03:09:38 PM » |
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Cam Fella had guts, and ball.  |
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« Reply #110 on: January 01, 2013, 04:00:03 PM » |
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Cam Fella was the greatest ridgling of all time.
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« Reply #111 on: January 01, 2013, 04:03:40 PM » |
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Cam Fella was the greatest ridgling of all time.
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« Reply #112 on: January 01, 2013, 04:12:58 PM » |
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Ehh, they were nuthin' to Crowe about.
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« Reply #113 on: January 01, 2013, 04:16:00 PM » |
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Had the best teeth too
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« Reply #114 on: January 01, 2013, 04:16:58 PM » |
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Something I read somewhere.  |
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« Reply #115 on: January 01, 2013, 04:17:43 PM » |
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Not a bad sire considering his Lancearmstrongian condition.
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« Reply #116 on: January 01, 2013, 04:24:40 PM » |
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Had the best teeth too
A number of people actually put some thought and analysis into their answers on this thread. The drive-by farg-you responses from people who've complained (correctly, I think) about the crushing dumbitude of many threads on the board lately is... disappointing, to say the least. |
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« Reply #117 on: January 01, 2013, 04:26:31 PM » |
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A number of people actually put some thought and analysis into their answers on this thread. The drive-by farg-you responses from people who've complained (correctly, I think) about the crushing dumbitude of many threads on the board lately is... disappointing, to say the least.
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« Reply #118 on: January 01, 2013, 04:27:55 PM » |
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Had the best teeth too
If you didnt keep your head up around him he would have no qualms about sinking them teeth into the middle of your back...he was a real rouge |
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« Reply #119 on: January 01, 2013, 04:29:30 PM » |
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If you didnt keep your head up around him he would have no qualms about sinking them teeth into the middle of your back...he was a real rouge Imagine Buddy Gilmour driving him. He would have won 50 in a row. Crowe was a big time anchor |
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« Reply #120 on: January 01, 2013, 04:31:12 PM » |
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Most of us wouldn't know, since the place is way under the radar, and generally, good horses don't MAKE their first start at Grand River. But if you think his first start compares to Warrawee Needy's, I have a nice span from Brooklyn to Manhattan to sell you. duh it was the battle of waterloo elims the final goes for 250,000 which way did they go george warawee needy couldn;t hold sbsw's oat pail |
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« Reply #121 on: January 01, 2013, 04:33:04 PM » |
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So how many other really top horses have made their first starts at Grand River? Can you name, say, 20?
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« Reply #122 on: January 01, 2013, 04:50:56 PM » |
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So how many other really top horses have made their first starts at Grand River? Can you name, say, 20?
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« Reply #123 on: January 01, 2013, 04:55:10 PM » |
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Sammy has not been forthcoming with a response. What a shock. |
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« Reply #124 on: January 01, 2013, 04:55:57 PM » |
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The only way a top horse would make a first start a Elmira would be for The Battle elims and Im sure those days are gone after March of 13....not gonna happen again......I remember a 2yold colt of Teagues going in 52 flat in his first start at Georgian in an OSS Elim....he was never the same again,he still races in Delaware in the cheap claimers...ruined him flat out |
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