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Author Topic: Big early bird bets left holding the bag on St. Elmo Hero!  (Read 1481 times)
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« on: December 23, 2012, 10:18:13 AM »

 Several people made early bird bets on St. Elmo Hero! Even with his late scratch his crappy entry mate went off as the 9-5* favorite because there was no way to cancel their tickets. That is one big disadvantage on betting on an entry. Forget about the 2 for 1 advantage LOL! Tough break! bang head
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2012, 10:41:20 AM »

That was appalling... Bell Valley Bill was at best a 20-1 shot against that bunch. Shoulda run him for purse-only and refunded the dough.
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2012, 10:51:24 AM »

ARE YOU NEW,,,


THIS IS BALMORAL  WE TALKIN ABOUT ,,YIMMSTER.
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2012, 10:51:59 AM »

Sorry, I'm a t-bred guy.  Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2012, 11:59:51 AM »

I CANVELLED MY BETS AT OTB,,,,,,THEN BET ALS TO WIN BUT NO TIME FOR EXOTICS,,,,,,,,BALMORAL NEVER DOES THE RIGHT THING
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2012, 12:29:11 PM »

it was low class indeed by balmoral,, no way bill would be under 25-1 without  elmo... should have cancelled all bets on the one like someone posted but obviously bmp could care less... i had some exacta boxes with carpenters horse(by the way shold be very tight next week)  with the one i sat in disbelief that i had a 9-5 horse in the exacta  that had absolutely no chance at alll bang head.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2012, 12:40:37 PM »

is there a precedent for this notion to make the other half of the entry a no-bet after a scratch?

i cant see how that is the "right thing to do"
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2012, 12:42:23 PM »

is there a precedent for this notion to make the other half of the entry a no-bet after a scratch?

i cant see how that is the "right thing to do"

Someone has got to have the authority to step in.
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2012, 12:44:27 PM »

Someone has got to have the authority to step in.

but why? why is that the right thing to do? doesnt make any sense to me.
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2012, 12:48:26 PM »

but why? why is that the right thing to do? doesnt make any sense to me.

Just get rid of the entries. Don't allow the same barn or owner 2 horses in the same race.
Stakes are different if they earn a spot in the finals.
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2012, 12:58:50 PM »

In an age where people bet through all different ways, this has to rate up there with

THE MOST CROOKED HARNESS EVENTS OF 2012

I often bet my pic 4's early & when at the track bet & then leave.....I was totally duped & pretty upset....


I hope others will join me in a Boycott of Balmoral Park for tonight.......These people make a complete mockery of the sport & someone should be held accountable.

Where is Swooey when you need him
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2012, 01:01:11 PM »

In the best interest of the betting public, Barnard should have scratched both.

The whole scenario is low-rent at best.
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2012, 01:02:43 PM »

In an age where people bet through all different ways, this has to rate up there with

THE MOST CROOKED HARNESS EVENTS OF 2012

I often bet my pic 4's early & when at the track bet & then leave.....I was totally duped & pretty upset....


I hope others will join me in a Boycott of Balmoral Park for tonight.......These people make a complete mockery of the sport & someone should be held accountable.

Where is Swooey when you need him

let me ask you a question. When you made these wagers, were you under the assumption that if Elmo were to be scratched, but the other half of the entry raced, that you would be refunded all wagers?
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2012, 01:13:44 PM »

let me ask you a question. When you made these wagers, were you under the assumption that if Elmo were to be scratched, but the other half of the entry raced, that you would be refunded all wagers?

To answer the question no  but there is a big BUT

this scratch had to take place minutes prior to the race...I had made my bets at OTB only 1 race prior to the pic 4 so it had to happen just minutes before the race & sure I was not the only one in shock to see no SEH...

I have seen hoses in NY run for purse only which should have happened in this case but Chi Town crooked judges needed some x tra x mas cash obviously.

Same thing with late driver changes- its a slippery slope

This absolutely WREAKS cheese cheese cheese cheese thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2012, 01:14:37 PM »

let me ask you a question. When you made these wagers, were you under the assumption that if Elmo were to be scratched, but the other half of the entry raced, that you would be refunded all wagers?

Why ***-trap the wager?

You wanna create a handicapping perspective that the best part of the entry could be scratched?

When I'm playing Pinochle, and my partner loses connection, or has to leave, I want a sub of close to equal value..............or I stop playing until the game is cancelled.
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« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2012, 01:16:54 PM »

...then there's all the folks watching the banks of tv's at the otb's w/o the sound on....
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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2012, 01:19:46 PM »

To my knowledge, in harness racing, there is no precedent to what you guys wanted to have happen - have the other entry mate run for purse money only.

im not sure what the sour grapes is here...you knew the rules, knew the possibilies but you bet anyway.
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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2012, 01:23:49 PM »

To my knowledge, in harness racing, there is no precedent to what you guys wanted to have happen - have the other entry mate run for purse money only.

im not sure what the sour grapes is here...you knew the rules, knew the possibilies but you bet anyway.

I have seen it in NY - granted t breds but that is still a precedent to me.....
The other part of the entry could have been scratched as that is done quite a bit in the t breds when the better half is out.

To me it is the timing...when did this scratch occur...5 minutes before post time.... thats criminal no matter how you may feel.

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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2012, 01:27:38 PM »

I have seen it in NY - granted t breds but that is still a precedent to me.....
The other part of the entry could have been scratched as that is done quite a bit in the t breds when the better half is out.

To me it is the timing...when did this scratch occur...5 minutes before post time.... thats criminal no matter how you may feel.



cant speak to tbreds. unfortunately, late scratches are a part of the game. even 5mtp. when they are part of an entry, you know the risks going in...
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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2012, 01:31:54 PM »

cant speak to tbreds. unfortunately, late scratches are a part of the game. even 5mtp. when they are part of an entry, you know the risks going in...

I guess we can agree to disagree

same with late driver changes- total crap
If the change isnt made prior to race 1, the horse should be scratched....unless very unusual circumstance like an accident that injures drivers.

To me..getting the shuffle, breaking stride...those are the inherent risks of betting
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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2012, 02:13:13 PM »



      If this isnt really suspicous I dont know what is what a way it to set up a major score.

    Put an entry in one of the pick 3 races

    One horse that looks like a 3-5 shot and one that looks like a not shot 35-1 shot

    Scratch the 3-5 shot late knowning the public was using the favorite the whole time and use some other horse that you know is 2nd best and could win easily because the chalk was going to be scratched. Chaaaaaaa- Ching!!!!!!!!

   Plus its easy when you know the fact that Illinois is totaly clueless and dont care anyway.
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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2012, 02:59:56 PM »

Well, I guess the thinking is..............If Elmo was lame or sick, peeps would have lost anyway.
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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2012, 03:03:32 PM »

WATS FUNNY ABOUT DA HOLE TING,,,THEY FART AROUN FOR EVER WEN WAITEN FOR THE P4 AN P5 BETS,,,DELAY DA RACES FOR

15-20 MINS,,,,THEN THEY SCRATCH THIS HORSE AND GIVE YOU 2 MINUTS TO CHANGE,,,WHICH I DID BETTEN ONLINE,,,
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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2012, 03:24:54 PM »

ARE YOU NEW,,,


THIS IS BALMORAL  WE TALKIN ABOUT ,,YIMMSTER.
like the screwy stuff that happens at northfield --- management would first half to care.

The entry was 3-5 and thru a combination of some money probably being cancelled and money going in late on other live horses --- he snuck up to 9-5.

I made a good bet / bad bet

played $10 across on the winner --- but instead of playing an exacta, i played a small tri and missed a fairly easy gimmick...
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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2012, 03:49:11 PM »

  this whole thing sucked   dude  but many times t-breds are scratched at the gate !! in this case , the proper thing was to flash across the screen over and over that the horse is scrtched but the entry goes !!  the horse was 2/5!!   i might even have sent them back to the paddock.  YOU HAVE TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC!!!  HELLO!!! head shake head shake head shake head shake
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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2012, 03:58:41 PM »

How many entries you see at Woodbine?

Answer:  None
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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2012, 04:21:32 PM »

Just get rid of the entries. Don't allow the same barn or owner 2 horses in the same race.Stakes are different if they earn a spot in the finals.

They only do this to certain stables/trainers
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« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2012, 04:30:57 PM »

SEH looked lame while warming up.  Even if he raced imo very unlikely he would have won. 
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« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2012, 05:07:17 PM »

AT TIOGA THIS SUMMER ,,,1/2 OF ENTRY WAS SCRATCHED AND THE OTHER 1/2 ONLY RACED FOR PURSE MONEY,,,ALL BETS REFUNDED
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« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2012, 05:14:19 PM »

AT TIOGA THIS SUMMER ,,,1/2 OF ENTRY WAS SCRATCHED AND THE OTHER 1/2 ONLY RACED FOR PURSE MONEY,,,ALL BETS REFUNDED

im calling BS on this weasel. name the date/race
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« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2012, 05:17:50 PM »

it WAS A SUNDAY AFTERNOON,,,,NYSS ACTION,,,ASK JASON WHEN THE BIG M OPENS HE WILL KNOW FOR SURE
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« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2012, 05:20:38 PM »

it WAS A SUNDAY AFTERNOON,,,,NYSS ACTION,,,ASK JASON WHEN THE BIG M OPENS HE WILL KNOW FOR SURE

gtf outta here. it was a race in your dreams, your homo erotic manifested dreams with this "jason"
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« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2012, 05:22:07 PM »

ARE YOU MAKIN MIND BETS ,,AGAIN,,,DALRAE
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« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2012, 05:29:02 PM »

IM A JAGUAR FAN ,,,,,TODAY
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« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2012, 05:05:16 AM »

I didn't bet the race so I have no dog in this fight.  But IMHO, this was total garbage.  2 min to post they flash on screen LATE SCRATCH St. ELMO HERO.

5 min later they go to the gate and race.  9-5 on a hopeless nag.  wtf?   bang head BSmeter doh
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« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2012, 05:41:32 AM »

Wouldn't be as offensive if they didn't sit at 0 mtp for 10+ minute on nightly basis
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« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2012, 11:56:11 AM »

SEH looked lame while warming up.  Even if he raced imo very unlikely he would have won. 

Then WHY wasn't he scratched AFTER warming up ? PRIOR, NOT AFTER the PK 3 wagers. "Shenanigans" again from this operation.
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« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2012, 11:58:01 AM »

WHAT ELSE IS NEW AT THAT JOINT
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« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2012, 12:02:43 PM »

Gives new meaning to Scratch 'N Sniff (as in crying).
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« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2012, 12:48:31 PM »

Then WHY wasn't he scratched AFTER warming up ? PRIOR, NOT AFTER the PK 3 wagers. "Shenanigans" again from this operation.

You'd have to ask the trainer or Dr Fitz that question.

Shenanigans  who knows   


As far as entries,   I dont like them. especially when the entrymates are not of equal ability.  Dont like multiple horses trained by the same person (at least on paper)     in a  single race racing as seperate entries.   

 
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« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2012, 02:37:09 PM »

You'd have to ask the trainer or Dr Fitz that question.

Shenanigans  who knows   


As far as entries,   I dont like them. especially when the entrymates are not of equal ability.  Dont like multiple horses trained by the same person (at least on paper)     in a  single race racing as seperate entries.   

 


Neither the trainer NOR the owner are reputable.
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« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2012, 02:57:59 PM »


Neither the trainer NOR the owner are reputable.

Hope JD gets a chance to question them one day soon.
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« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2012, 05:09:01 PM »

What is god's name does it matter whether there's precedent in harness racing for it or not?  Are the bangtails still racing in conventional sulkies from the 60s, with FFAs going in 2:00.1?   It's not a SCOTUS decision, it's a sport (of sorts).  The late scratch of SEH left bettors holding a 20-1 shot at 4/5 or some such.  This is simply inequitable.
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« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2012, 05:12:48 PM »

harness racing should never make you take the post time favorite in the event of a late scratch. The should pay a consolation on the scratched horse. The entire system of offering the fav on the pick 3,4 & 5 is BS. The MEds and Goofy could do the racing community a favor by instituting the policy like I told Gural and Gooflin last year but they did nothing as expected. It took them a year to finally tell you what bikes were being used. A suggestion I gave them both a year prior. screwy
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