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Author Topic: ADW Illegal in Illinois January 1st  (Read 6049 times)
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« on: December 18, 2012, 08:22:18 PM »

The latest from Bloodhorse:

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/75104/adw-illegal-in-illinois-effective-jan-1
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2012, 10:39:37 PM »

This state never ceases to amaze me.....
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2012, 12:43:26 AM »

Nothing too surprising here. Our Governor and legislature seem determined to eliminate what's left of the horse racing/breeding industry in Illinois. Their actions and inactions speak very clearly to their indifference for the future of facing/breeding in this state. Sad.
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2012, 02:17:10 AM »

Had all the horsemen and tracks agreed on how a renewal of the legislation was going to read and who was going to get what, or were they still fighting about it and maybe that helped hold things up? Just a couple months ago there were still some issues.
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2012, 08:20:12 AM »

I believe this was a straight extension of the existing law, no changes.
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2012, 08:52:11 AM »

It was a straight renewal and there was no issue with the actual applications either according to the audio feed of the IRB meeting yesterday.

As usual the idiots in Springfield have other things on their minds.....
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2012, 10:35:35 AM »

well thas kinda stinks.

looks like i wont be betting, i really have no interest in driving to the OTb anymore.
oh well...time for a new sport to follow..
or maybe i'll just move to colorado and get high and climb the mountains all weekend long
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2012, 12:21:01 PM »

It was a straight renewal and there was no issue with the actual applications either according to the audio feed of the IRB meeting yesterday.

Thx.

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As usual the idiots in Springfield have other things on their minds.....

They're still arguing over pension reform, aren't they?
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2012, 05:36:30 PM »

The IRB meeting was an interesting listen with topics including what happened to the Elk Grove Village OTB, the ADW issue and a lengthy report on the virus from the State Vet and Jim Miller.  You can get to it from the IRB website if this link below doesn't work.  FYI -- the virus discussion is about half way through the file.

http://multimedia.illinois.gov/irb/IRB-2012-Dec.mp3
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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2012, 10:20:17 AM »

Without ADW you can forget about seeing Hawthorne racing on TVG.  Hopefully this gets resolved before they re-open.
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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2012, 01:05:26 PM »

The IRB meeting was an interesting listen with topics including what happened to the Elk Grove Village OTB, the ADW issue and a lengthy report on the virus from the State Vet and Jim Miller.  You can get to it from the IRB website if this link below doesn't work.  FYI -- the virus discussion is about half way through the file.

http://multimedia.illinois.gov/irb/IRB-2012-Dec.mp3
Love the part where Duke Johnston stammers and BSs his way through the reasons the Elk Grove spot should be able to stay open.It would be funny if he wasn't in charge of a business.
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2012, 10:43:17 PM »

Love the part where Duke Johnston stammers and BSs his way through the reasons the Elk Grove spot should be able to stay open.It would be funny if he wasn't in charge of a business.

I stopped in that place once and will never be there again. By far the worst OTB I have ever been. Not a single positive thing about the place.
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2012, 09:15:18 AM »

 Listened to whole thing.   It does not do much to instill confidence. Seems like " Seat of the Pants Flying " on every level , top to bottom.
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2012, 12:21:58 PM »

Listened to whole thing.   It does not do much to instill confidence. Seems like " Seat of the Pants Flying " on every level , top to bottom.
That is a spot on analysis.No one is willing to admit their selfishness and incompetence.There was laughter at things that were not funny and a lot of pontificating on things not important it seemed to me.It was just a theatre of the absurd and a huge waste of time.
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2012, 07:02:16 PM »

hawthorne should have been on top of this.  people aren't running out to otbs now on a holiday.   they're used to playing from the computer.
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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2012, 07:20:10 PM »

hawthorne should have been on top of this.  people aren't running out to otbs now on a holiday.   they're used to playing from the computer.

There's no such thing as host track with ADW. It's an issue for every track.
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2012, 07:22:46 PM »

I stopped in that place once and will never be there again. By far the worst OTB I have ever been. Not a single positive thing about the place.

Ever been to Quad City Downs? Man, is that place sad!!!
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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2012, 07:39:41 PM »

There's no such thing as host track with ADW. It's an issue for every track.

Not entirely true. I believe Fairmount is/was the host track for TVG in Illinois and received a percentage of all Illinois wagers through TVG. Not sure exactly how it works but there was an issue in 2009 when Fairmount was trying to secure dates and ADW receipts.
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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2012, 07:50:09 PM »

I stopped in that place once and will never be there again. By far the worst OTB I have ever been. Not a single positive thing about the place.

Scav, I agree with you. The one bright spot is if you are hungry the pizza is really good. But the service is in line with the employees and their attitudes of the place. TERRIBLE.

Szulc......... It's been a while
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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2012, 09:47:15 PM »



Szulc......... It's been a while

Yes, it has. Coming back to Chicago tonight. Hope you and your family have a great Christmas!
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2012, 10:07:18 AM »

Not entirely true. I believe Fairmount is/was the host track for TVG in Illinois and received a percentage of all Illinois wagers through TVG. Not sure exactly how it works but there was an issue in 2009 when Fairmount was trying to secure dates and ADW receipts.
You're right, Pal B. 

Originally, Fairmount was tied to TVG, Arlington with Twin Spires, and Hawthorne and Maywood/Balmoral with Youbet.

Currently, Fairmount is still TVG, Arlington is still TS, Hawthorne is Expressbet, and Maywood and Balmoral is Betzotic.

The Illinois track that was being bet gets the standard 3% or whatever simulcast fee.  The ADW platform associated with each track pays a fee to it's respective track and horsemen if the bet was made on their platform.

For example, if someone bets Hawthorne on TVG, Hawthorne and it's horsemen split the 3%.  Fairmount and it's horsemen also get a taste, which depending on their contract can be much more than Hawthorne gets.

As has been noted, horsemen, tracks and the IRB were in agreement on the extension.  Apparently the legislators just forgot to call it for a vote.

Only in Illinois....

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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2012, 10:25:51 AM »

As has been noted, horsemen, tracks and the IRB were in agreement on the extension.  Apparently the legislators just forgot to call it for a vote.

I'm sure the track's lobbyists brought the usual Envelope Stuffed With Cash to cover the matter, but the IRB is filled with a bunch of noobs who likely didn't know what to do with the illegal boodle.
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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2012, 11:22:51 AM »

You're right, Pal B.  

By "no host track" for ADW I meant not by any specific time of the year like regular simulcasts, which would seem to be implicit in Trainer Rusty's original assertion that "hawthorne should have been on top of this". It's the track running while this is happening. Every track should have been on top of it, because they will all be affected.
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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2012, 11:25:35 AM »

I'm sure the track's lobbyists brought the usual Envelope Stuffed With Cash to cover the matter, but the IRB is filled with a bunch of noobs who likely didn't know what to do with the illegal boodle.

The IRB doesn't have anything to do with the legislature renewing the law. The IRB did its job. Madigan and his boys were busy with something else.
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« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2012, 12:05:12 PM »

The IRB doesn't have anything to do with the legislature renewing the law. The IRB did its job. Madigan and his boys were busy with something else.

Aha, I stand corrected.

Sounds like somebody missed making a payment, then.   Grin
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