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« on: December 15, 2012, 12:10:48 PM »

Steve, I'm going to post some comments you made regarding Dave's interview at Maywood last week.  Then I will post a link to the interview.

They say it takes a big man to apologize when he's wrong.  Let's see what kind of a man you are.

I was so disappointed I couldn't get there before the 8th race but had a ballgame to attend first.

So I get there an ask my buddies to fill me in on all that I missed.

Before I go Full Metal Jacket on what a total sham this was I need some input from all the backstretch CRACKHEADS who heard the interviews.

According to what I was told I only missed Dave McCaffery BOLDLY LIE to the fans then Widger's first interview.

I saw Widger's 2nd interview where he and Warren hooked wheels with the two favorites in the 9th, ground breaking for sure!

Now is where I am open to dissent on what McCaffery said. I can't find a website with the interviews where I can hear it myself.

Per my buddies McCaffery said"The race fans are the ones who provide the handle that we exist on, we would never cheat the fans."

From this point forward I am going to assume this is what he said or close to what he said and he should RESIGN for saying it! doh screwy

How can Dave McCaffery make this claim knowing damn well all the suspensions for cheating in Illinois including SUPER NIGHT? sneaky

Dave McCaffery has officially become the WORST IHHA PRESIDENT in Illinois history for lying to the fans straight to their faces! rat

Is Dave McCaffery suffering from amnesia and forgotten the criminal history of Illinois horsemen here and at other tracks?

HEY DAVE, YOU ***! Your leading trainer at Maywood last year was suspended for BETTING AGAINST HIS OWN HORSES!  

In every other place where humans exist on earth betting against yourself is called "CHEATING THE FANS"!! bang head screwy doh

Todd Warren was given a year suspension in Michigan at the age of 24 for BETTING AGAINST HIMSELF.

Marcus Miller another IHHA Board member was suspended 7 days for stiffing PowerOfAMoment at 1/9! Wasn't that CHEATING THE FANS?

Until tonight I had no intentions of calling my reps in Springfield anymore. I told you before I coached one of their kids.

But after this  BSmeter that was served up as UNPRECEDENTED TRANSPARENCY I have to contact Quinn and my reps again. nyah

I will be sure to include how McCaffery "Revolutionized" the art of telling a LIE. bowing McCaffery even sucks at spin. doh

Where were the pre-race interviews that would help the fans handicap and give them insight into what the drivers are thinking? dunno

Bernie you said "Fans are going to be surprised". Surprised at what? Surprised that you would do what you said? screwy doh

The only "fans" surprised by tonight's interviews are the dumbasses who expected you to delivery on what you advertised! laughing guy laughing guy

NOT ME.  I hit this nail square on it's head and called this transparency  BSmeter and nothing but spin. trophy trophy

McCaffery, you FAILED horribly. You lied to the fans hoping none of them know how to check the suspension lists at the IRB and the USTA.

I knew not to get my hopes up. The character and integrity of today's horsemen is lower than whale shit. sneaky rat

And the abyss just keeps getting deeper. bowing



It's the simplest of concepts even the least educated horseman can understand. And that sentence is not aimed at you.

Whether the EXACT words were as told to me or whether they were paraphrased, it doesn't matter.

McCaffery's intent was to tell the fans to their faces that the horsemen respect them and would never cheat them.

No matter how those words are arranged by McCaffery the meaning is still the same.

So the "LIE" started when McCaffery didn't preface his statement with an acknowledgement of the corrupt past of Illinois horsemen.

Had McCaffery made this acknowledgement and then promised a new direction in Illinois harness racing then it wouldn't be a lie.

EPO, milkshaking, M-99, snake venom, gout medication...etc is by any definition Cheating the Fans.

The entire room at the OTB which holds 100 fans couldn't wait to tell me what was said. They all agreed on the essence of what McCaffery said.

But no one could give me a verbatim quote so I used a consensus of what they told me.

I paraphrased what the FANS told me. I am 99% sure I didn't stick my neck out on this one.      

There's more, Steve, but I think you get the idea.  And yes, you did stick your neck out and were dead wrong.

Here is the interview:    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5KSxwTd-AU&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2012, 12:50:57 PM »

Steve, I'm going to post some comments you made regarding Dave's interview at Maywood last week.  Then I will post a link to the interview.

They say it takes a big man to apologize when he's wrong.  Let's see what kind of a man you are.

There's more, Steve, but I think you get the idea.  And yes, you did stick your neck out and were dead wrong.

Here is the interview:  www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5KSxwTd-AU&feature=youtu.be
Damn it  O and S why let the actual video of what was said get in the way of the continual rambling diatribes of the Moral Racing Compass of our Industry known as Saint Steve ?  laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2012, 12:53:09 PM »

WHEN SWOOEY LOOSES HIS 2 BUCKS,,,YOU CANT TELL HIM NUTTIN,,,AN IF YOU DISARGREE YOULL BE CALLDED A CRACKHEAD,,,
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2012, 12:54:09 PM »

Damn it  O and S why let the actual video of what was said get in the way of the continual rambling diatribes of the Moral Racing Compass of our Industry known as Saint Steve ?  laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy

swooey wasn't wrong about ANYTHING, now or ever! Haven't you figured that out yet? The entire rest of the world is on crack, is what the problem is.
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2012, 12:55:25 PM »

SWODDAL,,GOOD PEEPS
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2012, 12:55:51 PM »

WHEN SWOOEY LOOSES HIS 2 BUCKS,,,YOU CANT TELL HIM NUTTIN,,,AN IF YOU DISARGREE YOULL BE CALLDED A CRACKHEAD,,,
Wonder what pain meds he takes for that phony injury/disability that he is scamming the SSD system Huh? Vicadin head Huh
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2012, 01:13:20 PM »

I would have to say that after watching that video twice, I would have to laugh at the comment made by McCaffery about the drivers being "articulate". I would be willing to bet that more than half of the drivers can't even SPELL the word much less display the actual act.  laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2012, 01:17:59 PM »

Glad you chimed in Warren.  Here's your quote backing up Swoody.  You were dead wrong too.

Man enough to admit it?
I saw the interviews and that is what McCaffery said.

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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2012, 01:22:43 PM »

Glad you chimed in Warren.  Here's your quote backing up Swoody.  You were dead wrong too.

Man enough to admit it?
Will you stop already with trying to reason, rationalize and present actual evidence to conspiracy theorists and anti-Illinois racing folks.  You have a better chance of winning the powerball than convinicing the harbingers or should I say the harpies of gloom and doom.
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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2012, 01:27:35 PM »

Will you stop already with trying to reason, rationalize and present actual evidence to conspiracy theorists and anti-Illinois racing folks.  You have a better chance of winning the powerball than convinicing the harbingers or should I say the harpies of gloom and doom.
You're right, NJC.
I guess it's just a character flaw I have.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2012, 01:32:15 PM »

You're right, NJC.
I guess it's just a character flaw I have.
HONEST QWESTION,,,DUE YOU TINK SUTTON SAYING *** INTURNET POSTERS IS A POSITIVE FOR IL RACINE,,,
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2012, 01:34:17 PM »

Glad you chimed in Warren.  Here's your quote backing up Swoody.  You were dead wrong too.

Man enough to admit it?

WHO was it that talked about transparency and honesty to the gambler? I KNOW I heard someone saying it.
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2012, 02:00:05 PM »

   Ive been around along time.  Dave is the best pres. In the history of the IHHA.  This I am sure of. Wait till we get slots you'll see why !
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2012, 02:02:32 PM »

Slots will the WORST thing EVER for the horsemen. Way worse than recapture. Good for a few years then.........Good By racing.
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2012, 02:03:31 PM »

WHO was it that talked about transparency and honesty to the gambler? I KNOW I heard someone saying it.
I didn't think you'd be man enough to admit you were wrong, Warren, but i held out some hope.
Oh well...
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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2012, 02:57:59 PM »

I didn't think you'd be man enough to admit you were wrong, Warren, but i held out some hope.
Oh well...

EXACTLY what do you want? I was wrong, it was not in that particular interview. I do know that someone said it. Not sure who now. But now you've got me on the trail of who said and in what interview.Will you admit the bingo idea is/was a bad one when it fails dismally ? ANY one with an ounce of intelligence KNOWS that bingo players are NOT horse players. IS the idea of INCREASING the handle foreign to some ? THAT'S supposed to be the idea. Or do you just want 1,000 people there watching the bingo ? It's good for the track because those 1,000 people will be buying concessions but the horsemen do NOT get a cut of that. Horsemen should only be concerned with the HANDLE. And what cut they get out of that. It's amazing how people lose focus of what's important.
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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2012, 03:06:14 PM »

Wow

I thought he only quoted facts?

I am in shock.

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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2012, 03:08:46 PM »

If they come out to the track, there is a good chance they will bet at least a few races. You have to develop handicappers, they don't just appear.
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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2012, 03:17:09 PM »

If they come out to the track, there is a good chance they will bet at least a few races. You have to develop handicappers, they don't just appear.

No, there isn't. People who play bingo are NOT going to wager on horse races. It isn't in their circle. Take a card player to a slot room and he will just sit there. And even if they did, how much would they bet ? $2? $4? Just like when they have their "free voucher" nights. How much higher is the handle ? Not at all. The ones who win are the concessions and the booze sellers. Horsemen get NOTHING of that. A lot of people betting nothing to speak of. The tracks need gamblers and honest racing. Not people who bet 4 or 6 dollars a visit.
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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2012, 03:20:14 PM »

Will you stop already with trying to reason, rationalize and present actual evidence to conspiracy theorists and anti-Illinois racing folks.  You have a better chance of winning the powerball than convinicing the harbingers or should I say the harpies of gloom and doom.

With those rose colored glasses, the Cubs must be winning the World Series, huh?  laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy RIP RIP
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2012, 03:30:03 PM »

 bang head bang head bang head bang head
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2012, 05:09:15 PM »

Instead of *** about it supernaut bring something to the table on getting handle increased.  You can start by giving reasons to getting the whales back who all swam to the Thoroughbred game because of deeper pools.  And no bullshit about late closers at the end of the year.  Does nothing.  Went out to Balmoral Sunday when they had a 168k pick 5 maybe 30 people in the place.  I'm starting to believe it is a dead game.  When you have Tampa Bay downs on a week day handling 600k per a race there is something very wrong with Harness racing.
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2012, 05:45:25 PM »

here you go il sucks,

carryover or not sundays especially sunday night's during nfl season will never be a winner at a track out in the boonies
plenty of people have to go to worlk mondays and you killed them with that trip from balmoral
imo it makes no sense to race 1 day at bal then 2 days at maywood and back to bal for 2 days   give maywood wed and sunday and bal thurs fri and sat nites
the mile tracks outhandle all other tracks and you are losing revenue on fri nites by racing at maywood
eliminate the smaller payout for live on track customers at balmoral vs those playing at a otb in indiana
try an accurate post time for the races  10 mtp does not mean 15 or more
guarateed seeded p5's and p4's of at least $20k not waiting for a carryover to stir interest

i have more but they will not do the simplest of things because mgmt does not care
i fogot who invited me to meet with mgmt but only 2 people were to sho and mgmt did not feel that was important enuff to meet with us so they canceled
they had no idea how much either of us wagered in a yr yet blew us off
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2012, 07:21:14 PM »

I hate to jump on the bandwagon but you're wrong again , I recently had a work outing at Maywood where four out of the 12 people played Bingo and went to the casinos the others had never gambled , they had great time won money and stayed for the full card so I'm not sure were you're getting your information from?

No, there isn't. People who play bingo are NOT going to wager on horse races. It isn't in their circle. Take a card player to a slot room and he will just sit there. And even if they did, how much would they bet ? $2? $4? Just like when they have their "free voucher" nights. How much higher is the handle ? Not at all. The ones who win are the concessions and the booze sellers. Horsemen get NOTHING of that. A lot of people betting nothing to speak of. The tracks need gamblers and honest racing. Not people who bet 4 or 6 dollars a visit.
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2012, 07:31:47 PM »

here you go il sucks,

carryover or not sundays especially sunday night's during nfl season will never be a winner at a track out in the boonies
plenty of people have to go to worlk mondays and you killed them with that trip from balmoral
imo it makes no sense to race 1 day at bal then 2 days at maywood and back to bal for 2 days   give maywood wed and sunday and bal thurs fri and sat nites
the mile tracks outhandle all other tracks and you are losing revenue on fri nites by racing at maywood
eliminate the smaller payout for live on track customers at balmoral vs those playing at a otb in indiana
try an accurate post time for the races  10 mtp does not mean 15 or more
guarateed seeded p5's and p4's of at least $20k not waiting for a carryover to stir interest

i have more but they will not do the simplest of things because mgmt does not care
i fogot who invited me to meet with mgmt but only 2 people were to sho and mgmt did not feel that was important enuff to meet with us so they canceled
they had no idea how much either of us wagered in a yr yet blew us off

Some good ideas Niatross  maybe even an occasional DH on Sunday

Yes, Yes on the post times.....since when does 0 minutes to post = the post parade
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