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Author Topic: Attn: IRB...If You Do Nothing About Recking Ball Then Every Member Must Resign  (Read 1605 times)
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« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2012, 09:17:58 PM »

It paid $29 BECAUSE everybody DID bet it. Look at it's last 5 starts odds.........................Horse should have paid OVER $100. Great racing in Chicago.

When there's only $8000 or so in a win pool, it's pretty hard to say what any horse "should have" paid. From what another poster wrote earlier, the other horses in the race were no great shakes, either ... which I think one might expect of $4k claimers with a condition of "nw of $1000 in last 5 starts, last 2 starts in clm $4000". Do they have a more bottom of the barrel classification than that?

At any rate, I'm still endlessly amused by guys who see stiffs, fixes, juice jobs, and whatever peeking out from behind every woodpile continuing to bet good money on these races. Must be some serious self-loathing issues. 
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« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2012, 10:12:57 PM »

When there's only $8000 or so in a win pool, it's pretty hard to say what any horse "should have" paid. From what another poster wrote earlier, the other horses in the race were no great shakes, either ... which I think one might expect of $4k claimers with a condition of "nw of $1000 in last 5 starts, last 2 starts in clm $4000". Do they have a more bottom of the barrel classification than that?

At any rate, I'm still endlessly amused by guys who see stiffs, fixes, juice jobs, and whatever peeking out from behind every woodpile continuing to bet good money on these races. Must be some serious self-loathing issues.  


 laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy And used car salesmen are completely honest too right ? I've met some people with their head in the sand, but you sir, take the cake. And just for YOUR amusement, people are NOT continuing to bet good money on this crap. Ever go to a live performance of this garbage ? See how many people are there ? People will bet on a 3 card monty game so people will continue to gamble on ANYTHING. But EVERY day less and less people care about harness racing. And when the politicians pull the plug on slot subsidies,you can turn out the light on harness racing. There will be MAYBE 3 or 4 tracks racing. For about $800 purses.
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« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2012, 10:35:04 PM »


 laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy And used car salesmen are completely honest too right ? I've met some people with their head in the sand, but you sir, take the cake.

No, actually you guys take the cake.

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And just for YOUR amusement, people are NOT continuing to bet good money on this crap.

Most people aren't. Not any more. Nor are they betting on dogs, and God knows who is stiffing them when they run.

But you guys are. Sometimes this forum reminds me of those crusty old guys you see hanging around any racetrack, harness or tbred, just for the joy of cursing and blaming someone else for all the failures in their own life.

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But EVERY day less and less people care about harness racing. And when the politicians pull the plug on slot subsidies,you can turn out the light on harness racing. There will be MAYBE 3 or 4 tracks racing. For about $800 purses.

It's inevitable. Not sure how old you are, but my dad grew up with horses, and could appreciate a good one vs. a bad one. His generation is the last one that really supported horse racing but is steadily dying off. My generation didn't grow up with horses, and very few of my friends really give a crap about racing. It's not because it's crooked, it's just because they never cared about the question of "which horse is better".
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« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2012, 02:43:58 AM »

I have a lot of friends who did care about harness racing. And very few of them are still betting harness racing. Most have switched to thoroughbreds, and with a good bit of success I might add. A couple just bet sports. They stopped betting harness racing when it became apparent that the juice trainers and the crooked drivers were the only ones really making any money. Juice trainers, you say? How can that be ? Maybe you don't know or remember these fellows. Bill Robinson,Justin Abbott, Richard Chansky, just to name a very few. They won lots of races and people thought they were juicers but they continued to win. And they had their defenders too, just like YOU. And how about the CONVICTED HARNESS DRIVERS-George Brennan, Howard Parker, Jim Morrill Jr, and the winningest driver ever Herve Filion. Yet, guess what ? They are ALL back driving. If a person gets caught stealing once at a casino-he's GONE FOREVER. Think THAT ever happens at the harness races ?
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« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2012, 04:19:34 AM »


But you guys are. Sometimes this forum reminds me of those crusty old guys you see hanging around any racetrack, harness or tbred, just for the joy of cursing and blaming someone else for all the failures in their own life.



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You really are clueless and boring if you believe your own  BSmeter.

The only failure in this thread is your attempt to defend the indefensible! screwy doh
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« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2012, 07:42:12 AM »



     The irb lets Warren and other crooks in here to race do you think they care?

                Government appointed jobs you cant beat them
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« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2012, 10:13:58 AM »

8 TIMES I TRIED TO POST ABOUT THIS . 8 TIMES THE COMPUTER BROKE  doh  THE LORD HAS SPOKEN  dude                         P,S, ROCCO FOR GOV ,  trophy trophy trophy dunno
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« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2012, 10:31:43 AM »

I have a lot of friends who did care about harness racing. And very few of them are still betting harness racing. Most have switched to thoroughbreds, and with a good bit of success I might add. A couple just bet sports. They stopped betting harness racing when it became apparent that the juice trainers and the crooked drivers were the only ones really making any money.

Do you really think harness racing, or for that matter thoroughbred racing, is dirtier now than it has been since time immemorial?
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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2012, 10:36:03 AM »

    T --BREDS ARE WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WORSE THAN HARNESS TOTAL JUICE!! 
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« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2012, 03:05:34 PM »

    T --BREDS ARE WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WORSE THAN HARNESS TOTAL JUICE!! 

Then why aren't thoroughbreds dropping their race times 4 OR 5 seconds ? And don't give me that BS about better equipment. We BOTH know why.
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« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2012, 03:41:49 PM »

Short thread intermission:

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« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2012, 03:45:50 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2012, 08:23:30 PM »

Then why aren't thoroughbreds dropping their race times 4 OR 5 seconds ? And don't give me that BS about better equipment. We BOTH know why.
This is a good topic for it's own thread, Warren.

There are gassers and juicers in this game, no doubt, and it's wrong, wrong, wrong.

But, Standardbreds are a relatively young breed.  They haven't been around nearly as long as Thoroughbreds. The breed keeps developing. 

Look back 5 generations on most pedigrees and you'll see both pacing and trotting blood.  This has changed in the last 75 years or so.  Years ago it took trainers time to get them gaited properly.  Nowadays you see day old foals pacing (or trotting as the case may be) next to their moms in the pasture.  So the breed itself is getting truer to it's gait.  That's huge in itself.

By and large the breeding is much better than years ago.  People look more at the dam side now than they did 75 years ago, and the stallions are much better.

Couple that with better equipment, better track surfaces, and better vet work (acid injections in joints, surgeries for breathing problems etc) and the times are bound to drop.  And in 20 years 47 miles for open pacers may be commonplace, who knows?

I completely agree with you though on horses that drop 4 or 5 seconds off lifetime marks in a week or 2 under a new trainer.

Probably not better shoeing and letting the hopples out 2 holes, though that's not impossible I guess.

But I really think we are a young breed that has not yet reached it's potential, whereas the tbreds may already have.
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« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2012, 11:55:45 PM »

To Old and Slow:

Please stop.  You're running Supernaut all over the track.  In each and every argument you show your superiority over him/her.  It's embarrassing.  Please stop!  Grin
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