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Author Topic: Attn: IRB...If You Do Nothing About Recking Ball Then Every Member Must Resign  (Read 1650 times)
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« on: December 14, 2012, 12:27:13 AM »

Hey Pace Maker I told you weeks ago Duncan would get his win during the first two weeks of December at Maywood.

This has happened every year and Recking Ball at 14 years old hadn't won in 2 years. Plus Duncan was down as trainer this time.

What happened after the race in the winners circle is why Illinois harness racing is THE CON GAME OF THE CENTURY! doh

When Angie Affrunti was the ONLY ONE in the winners circle for the picture everyone knew this was a juiced horse. doh

I thought Duncan Price had more integrity then to let Angie Affrunti/Procopi pre-race his horse? head shake

The other thread talks about this horse winning which was predicted but this thread is about the crook in the winners circle. sneaky

The Illinois racing board has no integrity among it's members or they would stop this cheating from happening. rat

Why didn't Duncan get his picture taken? Was it bad enough that Angie's presence gave his little secret away? doh

Track management, the stewards nor the IRB care enough about the integrity of the sport to test every horse Affrunti/Procopi touch.

So now we have Procopi standing in for Seekman and Affrunti standing in for Price. sneaky

It is the time of year for those Christmas victories and now we know who is behind most of them. sneaky bowing
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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2012, 12:33:48 AM »

I for one agree with Knowitall.  Why is Angie getting into pictures of other trainers wins.  That looked very bad for the integrity of the sport. 
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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2012, 12:40:32 AM »

I for one agree with Knowitall.  Why is Angie getting into pictures of other trainers wins.  That looked very bad for the integrity of the sport. 

And I don't mean to step on your toes with the other thread.

But IRB members do read these forums and especially the threads aimed at them. doh

Which is my intent with starting a new thread addressing how this horse won and who was involved.

Angie is getting away with aggravated armed robbery! bowing trophy

She is armed with illegal substances and the number of times she has gotten away with it is aggravating! doh bang head
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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2012, 12:59:27 AM »

I for one agree with Knowitall.  Why is Angie getting into pictures of other trainers wins.  That looked very bad for the integrity of the sport.  

I will ask her tomorrow maybe she has a good reason no? obviously she's not hiding anything right? I also want to say this.  THe horse had the rail.  NONE of the horses in that race were ANY good.  It was his 5th start of the year not 20.  HE CRAWLED HOME IN 30:3 off the TRIP of ALL TRIPS and was all out to barely get there.  You cannot argue those points.

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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2012, 01:05:31 AM »

Not to mention the horse is being tested no? It won the race you know the rules. The horse didnt have any extraordinary performance.  Barely came home in 30.3 which if you dont know isnt very good.  By your reasoning he should have raced better than that  dunno
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2012, 01:08:47 AM »

Also note how surprised Brian Carpenter was at the end of the race.....
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2012, 02:41:10 AM »

Not to mention the horse is being tested no? It won the race you know the rules. The horse didnt have any extraordinary performance.  Barely came home in 30.3 which if you dont know isnt very good.  By your reasoning he should have raced better than that  dunno

Don't even start this BULLSHIT JD! doh

I'm beginning to believe you are a phony again. bang head

Wasn't LEDFRAUD tested in Chicago before he went to the Meadowlands? doh sneaky

Don't give us the "Horse was Tested"  BSmeter.  We all know Illinois doesn't test every sample taken.

A sample was taken. The testing part is up for debate. dunno

And again you are absolutely dead wrong about his performance. screwy

Had the rail 2nd start back at Maywood couldn't keep up. 0 for 2 years nyah.

Has been beaten by more length's then McDonald's has hamburgers. bowing

And the clincher is Affrunti shoving it down everyone's throat by getting a win photo she won't pay for. sneaky doh
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2012, 06:06:06 AM »

Pretty sad you predict the outcome of a race and still can't cash a ticket, no wonder you cry so much.
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2012, 06:16:32 AM »

no way this horse wins a legit race! 8 wins 295 races?  give me a break !
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2012, 07:43:06 AM »

When Angie Affrunti was the ONLY ONE in the winners circle for the picture everyone knew this was a juiced horse. doh

What was the juice? Has she been caught with it prior to this?
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2012, 07:54:02 AM »

Not to mention the horse is being tested no? It won the race you know the rules. The horse didnt have any extraordinary performance.  Barely came home in 30.3 which if you dont know isnt very good.  By your reasoning he should have raced better than that  dunno

It wasn't an extraordinary performance but that little extra aid he received was the difference between winning and losing. We can also give Smolin an assist for dangling 4th on the outside, which gave to outer flow 0 chance. He dropped anchor as soon as he pulled.
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2012, 08:07:44 AM »

Congrats to Duncan Price!
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2012, 09:08:14 AM »

I bet on smolin. Congrats to Duncan and Wendy !! dunno
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2012, 09:21:29 AM »

Congrats to Duncan Price!


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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2012, 09:53:12 AM »

so angie helped duncan and his daughter....is there a rule agst that??  she sure isnt tryin to hide the fact...if she was she wouldnt have been in the picture!!....

jdizigg...stop with the "he only came home in 30 and change etc nonsense...if you know racing then you know there was SIGNIFICANT improvement in this horses performance this week....angie helped and whatever it is she does to improve horses she did with recking ball...period.

personally...i wont call what she does illegal until they catch her,,,,and until they do, if they ever do...i just assume shes gonaa continue to improve the performance of horses she gets..just like shes been doing for quite some time now....just wish i knew she was invoved in duncans horse before the race instead of after....

and re the interview...i appreciate the interviews and overall you did a good job yesterday...but the interview with duncan should have included the question regarding affruntis help...you claimed you were going to ask the tough questions...you didnt in this case...joeb
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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2012, 10:00:40 AM »

ANGIE GOOD PEEPS.. thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up heart heart heart heart flag flag flag dollar dollar dollar trophy trophy trophy
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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2012, 10:14:41 AM »

I may have to kill myself but have to agree with Swooey on this one...

The horse did get a golden trip but looks like the engine was a little stronger then usual carrot

I have seen this at Arlington Park a handful of times , especially with out of state trainers & use it as in important handicapping tool.
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2012, 10:18:16 AM »

I maybe wrong on this I had heard Quinn replace some of the IRB members with his own guys.  Has anyone else heard about this maybe 4-5 weeks ago?
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2012, 10:29:31 AM »

I maybe wrong on this I had heard Quinn replace some of the IRB members with his own guys.  Has anyone else heard about this maybe 4-5 weeks ago?

Like replacing Gacy with Dahmer
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2012, 03:27:55 PM »

Pretty sad you predict the outcome of a race and still can't cash a ticket, no wonder you cry so much.

When I give you a winner a month in advance the best reply you can make is to shut up.

The subject here is how Duncan won not the simple fact that he got his Christmas victory again.
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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2012, 03:32:16 PM »

What was the juice? Has she been caught with it prior to this?


Here we go again. Are you in that Group 1 class that is so damn old you can't remember past yesterday? geezer

Affrunti = Pete Procopi = mutliple suspensions for juicing and betting against their own horses. sneaky

Do your self a favor and do not attempt to reply. Just say to yourself "Oh, I forgot". geezer
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2012, 03:37:10 PM »


Here we go again. Are you in that Group 1 class that is so damn old you can't remember past yesterday? geezer

Affrunti = Pete Procopi = mutliple suspensions for juicing and betting against their own horses. sneaky

The actual question was what particular juice [you claim] she was using the other night on this particular horse, and has she got caught with it. If you know she's juicing, you should be telling the IRB what they're looking for.
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2012, 03:38:12 PM »

Can anyone confirm that this was Recking Ball...........and not a ringer?
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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2012, 03:41:25 PM »

Can anyone confirm that this was Recking Ball...........and not a ringer?

Can anyone confirm it wasn't a giant conspiracy of drivers like usually figures prominently in anything swooey doesn't understand?

And what I'd like to know is, if everyone on the inside knew this horse was juiced/a ringer/a fix/whatever, why the hell was no one on hand to get in the Winner's Circle picture, and why did it pay $29.80?
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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2012, 04:03:51 PM »

It paid $29 BECAUSE everybody DID bet it. Look at it's last 5 starts odds.........................Horse should have paid OVER $100. Great racing in Chicago.
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« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2012, 08:17:58 PM »

It paid $29 BECAUSE everybody DID bet it. Look at it's last 5 starts odds.........................Horse should have paid OVER $100. Great racing in Chicago.

When there's only $8000 or so in a win pool, it's pretty hard to say what any horse "should have" paid. From what another poster wrote earlier, the other horses in the race were no great shakes, either ... which I think one might expect of $4k claimers with a condition of "nw of $1000 in last 5 starts, last 2 starts in clm $4000". Do they have a more bottom of the barrel classification than that?

At any rate, I'm still endlessly amused by guys who see stiffs, fixes, juice jobs, and whatever peeking out from behind every woodpile continuing to bet good money on these races. Must be some serious self-loathing issues. 
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« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2012, 09:12:57 PM »

When there's only $8000 or so in a win pool, it's pretty hard to say what any horse "should have" paid. From what another poster wrote earlier, the other horses in the race were no great shakes, either ... which I think one might expect of $4k claimers with a condition of "nw of $1000 in last 5 starts, last 2 starts in clm $4000". Do they have a more bottom of the barrel classification than that?

At any rate, I'm still endlessly amused by guys who see stiffs, fixes, juice jobs, and whatever peeking out from behind every woodpile continuing to bet good money on these races. Must be some serious self-loathing issues.  


 laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy And used car salesmen are completely honest too right ? I've met some people with their head in the sand, but you sir, take the cake. And just for YOUR amusement, people are NOT continuing to bet good money on this crap. Ever go to a live performance of this garbage ? See how many people are there ? People will bet on a 3 card monty game so people will continue to gamble on ANYTHING. But EVERY day less and less people care about harness racing. And when the politicians pull the plug on slot subsidies,you can turn out the light on harness racing. There will be MAYBE 3 or 4 tracks racing. For about $800 purses.
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« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2012, 09:35:04 PM »


 laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy And used car salesmen are completely honest too right ? I've met some people with their head in the sand, but you sir, take the cake.

No, actually you guys take the cake.

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And just for YOUR amusement, people are NOT continuing to bet good money on this crap.

Most people aren't. Not any more. Nor are they betting on dogs, and God knows who is stiffing them when they run.

But you guys are. Sometimes this forum reminds me of those crusty old guys you see hanging around any racetrack, harness or tbred, just for the joy of cursing and blaming someone else for all the failures in their own life.

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But EVERY day less and less people care about harness racing. And when the politicians pull the plug on slot subsidies,you can turn out the light on harness racing. There will be MAYBE 3 or 4 tracks racing. For about $800 purses.

It's inevitable. Not sure how old you are, but my dad grew up with horses, and could appreciate a good one vs. a bad one. His generation is the last one that really supported horse racing but is steadily dying off. My generation didn't grow up with horses, and very few of my friends really give a crap about racing. It's not because it's crooked, it's just because they never cared about the question of "which horse is better".
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« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2012, 01:43:58 AM »

I have a lot of friends who did care about harness racing. And very few of them are still betting harness racing. Most have switched to thoroughbreds, and with a good bit of success I might add. A couple just bet sports. They stopped betting harness racing when it became apparent that the juice trainers and the crooked drivers were the only ones really making any money. Juice trainers, you say? How can that be ? Maybe you don't know or remember these fellows. Bill Robinson,Justin Abbott, Richard Chansky, just to name a very few. They won lots of races and people thought they were juicers but they continued to win. And they had their defenders too, just like YOU. And how about the CONVICTED HARNESS DRIVERS-George Brennan, Howard Parker, Jim Morrill Jr, and the winningest driver ever Herve Filion. Yet, guess what ? They are ALL back driving. If a person gets caught stealing once at a casino-he's GONE FOREVER. Think THAT ever happens at the harness races ?
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« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2012, 03:19:34 AM »


But you guys are. Sometimes this forum reminds me of those crusty old guys you see hanging around any racetrack, harness or tbred, just for the joy of cursing and blaming someone else for all the failures in their own life.



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You really are clueless and boring if you believe your own  BSmeter.

The only failure in this thread is your attempt to defend the indefensible! screwy doh
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« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2012, 06:42:12 AM »



     The irb lets Warren and other crooks in here to race do you think they care?

                Government appointed jobs you cant beat them
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« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2012, 09:13:58 AM »

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« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2012, 09:31:43 AM »

I have a lot of friends who did care about harness racing. And very few of them are still betting harness racing. Most have switched to thoroughbreds, and with a good bit of success I might add. A couple just bet sports. They stopped betting harness racing when it became apparent that the juice trainers and the crooked drivers were the only ones really making any money.

Do you really think harness racing, or for that matter thoroughbred racing, is dirtier now than it has been since time immemorial?
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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2012, 09:36:03 AM »

    T --BREDS ARE WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WORSE THAN HARNESS TOTAL JUICE!! 
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« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2012, 02:05:34 PM »

    T --BREDS ARE WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WORSE THAN HARNESS TOTAL JUICE!! 

Then why aren't thoroughbreds dropping their race times 4 OR 5 seconds ? And don't give me that BS about better equipment. We BOTH know why.
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« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2012, 02:41:49 PM »

Short thread intermission:

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« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2012, 02:45:50 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2012, 07:23:30 PM »

Then why aren't thoroughbreds dropping their race times 4 OR 5 seconds ? And don't give me that BS about better equipment. We BOTH know why.
This is a good topic for it's own thread, Warren.

There are gassers and juicers in this game, no doubt, and it's wrong, wrong, wrong.

But, Standardbreds are a relatively young breed.  They haven't been around nearly as long as Thoroughbreds. The breed keeps developing. 

Look back 5 generations on most pedigrees and you'll see both pacing and trotting blood.  This has changed in the last 75 years or so.  Years ago it took trainers time to get them gaited properly.  Nowadays you see day old foals pacing (or trotting as the case may be) next to their moms in the pasture.  So the breed itself is getting truer to it's gait.  That's huge in itself.

By and large the breeding is much better than years ago.  People look more at the dam side now than they did 75 years ago, and the stallions are much better.

Couple that with better equipment, better track surfaces, and better vet work (acid injections in joints, surgeries for breathing problems etc) and the times are bound to drop.  And in 20 years 47 miles for open pacers may be commonplace, who knows?

I completely agree with you though on horses that drop 4 or 5 seconds off lifetime marks in a week or 2 under a new trainer.

Probably not better shoeing and letting the hopples out 2 holes, though that's not impossible I guess.

But I really think we are a young breed that has not yet reached it's potential, whereas the tbreds may already have.
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« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2012, 10:55:45 PM »

To Old and Slow:

Please stop.  You're running Supernaut all over the track.  In each and every argument you show your superiority over him/her.  It's embarrassing.  Please stop!  Grin
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