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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2012, 06:44:37 PM »

There has never been a two term limit for anybody.  I would be in favor of that.  Mike's salary is well below 100.  The electioneering clauses have been part of the by-laws for decades.  Tony got beat, plain and simple.
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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2012, 06:50:20 PM »

Who are these influential members of our industry who were asked to stand down? Were they horsemen?
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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2012, 06:52:28 PM »

There has never been a two term limit for anybody.  I would be in favor of that.  Mike's salary is well below 100.  The electioneering clauses have been part of the by-laws for decades.  Tony got beat, plain and simple.

I agree completely, Tony got beat.  I was answering a question asked of me.  You are wrong about the rule changes.  Term limits were removed and some of the electioneering rules were expanded.  They also changed the way the Ex Dir is hired or fired.
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« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2012, 06:55:21 PM »

I agree completely, Tony got beat.  I was answering a question asked of me.  You are wrong about the rule changes.  Term limits were removed and some of the electioneering rules were expanded.  They also changed the way the Ex Dir is hired or fired.

Could someone post an actual compare and contrast of the limits and electioneering language between what Chris says are 2009 bylaws at the website, with whatever these new ones are?

By the way, I seem to recall, wasn't Tony G. on the ITHA board some years back, and there were lawsuits or something?
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« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2012, 07:02:19 PM »

Who are these influential members of our industry who were asked to stand down? Were they horsemen?


I did not say anyone specifically were asked to stand down I said:

 "influential members in our industry were told they had to stand down and not be involved in our election."

Meaning they were prohibited by the new election rules from backing or endorsing any candidate. 
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« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2012, 07:05:33 PM »

I did not say anyone specifically were asked to stand down I said:

 "influential members in our industry were told they had to stand down and not be involved in our election."

Meaning they were prohibited by the new election rules from backing or endorsing any candidate. 

As pointed out previously, these are not new rules. And again, what influential members in our industry are you talking about?
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« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2012, 07:10:50 PM »

If by influential members of the industry you mean Arlington management that is true.  Both tracks were requested to not get involved.
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« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2012, 07:13:48 PM »

As pointed out previously, these are not new rules. And again, what influential members in our industry are you talking about?



You are looking at a tree, I am talking about the forest.  The game is rigged to make it very difficult for a challenger to defeat an incumbent.  If there are term limits it takes care of itself, and new blood gets in.  Without term limits it becomes troubling because you could have officers caring more about staying in office than making the hard choices that could cost them votes but be better for racing.
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« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2012, 07:24:49 PM »

Last election Mike beat Frank.  Election before that Frank beat Joe.  Granted being the incumbent gives you more visibility, but that can also backfire.

Again, there were never term limits.
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« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2012, 07:31:58 PM »


Again, there were never term limits.


Maybe I'm wrong then.  I was at the October meeting and I thought for sure I saw the by law change for two terms to none, and the ex director being hired and fired by the board and not the president (which is a good idea)
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« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2012, 07:47:06 PM »

that wasnt too difficult was it? joe was under fire from serious allegations at the time as you most certainly know(were they ever proven true or untrue? seems it was all swept under the carpet in the end), that is the only reason kirby beat him. kirby's speech was awful at the meeting in the old clubhouse at hawthorne. he started off by saying *country accent* "well i dont know much bout anything but i know i can do a better job then whats being done" LOL! Think campbell had a tough opponent first time around? This time granitz, well i dont know him personally and cant say anything one way or the other but for years now on the backside ive heard people speak negatively of him so i dont think he had too big of a following to begin with.

you keep saying its much less than a 100k a year, how much less exactly? cuz ive heard 80 something, and to be honest with the job hes done or lack there of hed be way overpaid getting 50k a year


Last election Mike beat Frank.  Election before that Frank beat Joe.  Granted being the incumbent gives you more visibility, but that can also backfire.

Again, there were never term limits.
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« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2012, 08:23:18 PM »

Less than $50.  Ex Dir less than$100. 

If you were at the meeting when the bylaws were approved, I get the confusion.  We were going off recommendations of the bylaw committee.  That was never a bylaw.
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« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2012, 08:47:49 PM »

The telephone numbers of the members are on record at the ITHA.  We occasionally get texts from them.  (Not personalised, mass texts pertaining to training hours or whatever). So, they do have our phone numbers.
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« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2012, 08:49:48 PM »

Beobob,
I am a member and I was not only asked not to talk about the candidate horse shoe but deleted, just saying..
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« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2012, 08:51:30 PM »

Less than $50.  Ex Dir less than$100. 

If you were at the meeting when the bylaws were approved, I get the confusion.  We were going off recommendations of the bylaw committee.  That was never a bylaw.

Reasonable people resolving differences without bringing mothers into it on BTW.  I could get used to that.

Thanks for the info
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« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2012, 08:53:24 PM »

Beobob...
Maybe what they really need is a woman in office.....
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« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2012, 08:54:22 PM »

Trainers signed up for the text alerts.  It is optional.
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« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2012, 08:56:17 PM »

Beobob...
Maybe what they really need is a woman in office.....

My daughters taught me years ago, girls rule and boys drool.
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« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2012, 08:57:34 PM »

Christine held the office at one time. Either she got tired of it, or the members got tired of her, I don't recall.
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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2012, 09:28:15 PM »

Yes they did GG.  But that give some parties a more extensive access to numbers.
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« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2012, 09:29:29 PM »

Beobob,
He true is that !!!!
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« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2012, 11:29:13 PM »

Beobob,
He true is that !!!!

Not?
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« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2012, 11:35:33 PM »

Not?

I think she meant to type "how true is that" in response to the phrase my daughters taught me, girls rule - boys drool
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« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2012, 11:59:04 PM »

Thx Beobob, you were correct
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« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2012, 01:49:31 AM »

I think she meant to type "how true is that" in response to the phrase my daughters taught me, girls rule - boys drool

I know. So I answered her.
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