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« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2012, 05:12:16 PM »

OK CIGAR , YOU ARE NOT DEE . BUT I THOUGHT YOU WERE CAUSE YOU WHERE SAYING SUCH STUPID THINGS !!   YOUR GENE, G.  AND THE STUFF ROBERTA WAS USING WAS BOUGHT AT A TACK SHOP!!!!!   SO TELL THat crap to anyone you want.          P.S.  I KNOW MY  EX-WIFE SAY"S STUFF ABOUT ME ,BUT WHAT EX  DOESNT .   THIS IS a sad thing cigar . do what you want!!   her and bobby are just sick about it!   GOODNIGHT! geezer

IRA WHY DUE YOU LET THIS PEACE OF SH*T GIT TO YOU,,,NOW YOURRE AS BAD AS BOBBY,,,YOU TOO SHULD NOT EVER RESPOND TO

THIS FCKING NUTCASE,,,HE ISNT WERTH THE FCKING TIME OF DAY,,,KARMA WILL GIT THIS MUTHERFCKER AND YOU BETTA BELEAVE

THAT,,,NO FCKING RESPECT HE WANTS TO USE ANYTING HE CAN TO MAKE HIS DEMINTED MIND LOOK SANE,,,FCK HIM,,,I FEEL REEL

BAD FOR BOBBY AND HIS MOM,,,JUST DONT REPLY TO THAT CLASSLESS PEACE OF SH*T CAUSE THE MUTHAFCKER AINT WERTH IT,,,
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« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2012, 05:18:10 PM »

    YOU KNOW-IT NOTHING PIECE OF SHIT !!   YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAID HE LIED ABOUT Huh    HIS ADDRESS ,THATS RIGHT, THEY HAD NOTHING ELSE SO THEY SAID HE LIED ABOUT HIS ADDRESS!!    SO SHUT THE *** UP ALREADY YOU MORON!! dude dude dude dude dude dude dude   YOUR NOTHIN BUT GARBAGE LOOKIN TO TALK SHIT! THAT HORSE GOT NOTHING -------------- ZERO !!     JUST BLED!


I read the USTA and IRB reports and nowhere did it say what you claim. head shake

I haven't read all the suspension reports in the last 50 years but I can't imagine one saying this:

The IRB finds licensee Bobby Smolin GUILTY of LYING about his home address under Oath. The IRB has determined Mr. Smolin to be truthful in all other statements made in his hearing before this board. Therefore we Fine Mr. Smolin the sum of $2,500.00 for LYING UNDER OATH. The IRB Hearing Officers are baffled by Mr Smolin's inability to correctly state where he lives. Mr. Smolin lying about his address seems a pretty petty issue for the IRB to fine him $2,500.00 dollars for but we must make an example of Mr. Smolin so no one else thinks lying to the IRB is legal.  

Since all of us have seen the USTA copy of ***'s fine, show us your copy supporting what you claim. bowing
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« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2012, 05:22:46 PM »

Believe that any horse that dies on the track the horse gets sent to the University of Illinois for a autopsy.  Where the results go from there not sure.  Maybe Old and Slow can shed some light.  And just because the pick 5 was a 168k why the *** does that have anything to do with procedure.  First thing first find out why the horse died you morons.  Why does everything come down to gambling first.  A animal died heartless ***.  Know if there was foul play have a hay day.
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« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2012, 05:23:11 PM »

IRA WHY DUE YOU LET THIS PEACE OF SH*T GIT TO YOU,,,NOW YOURRE AS BAD AS BOBBY,,,YOU TOO SHULD NOT EVER RESPOND TO

THIS FCKING NUTCASE,,,HE ISNT WERTH THE FCKING TIME OF DAY,,,KARMA WILL GIT THIS MUTHERFCKER AND YOU BETTA BELEAVE

THAT,,,NO FCKING RESPECT HE WANTS TO USE ANYTING HE CAN TO MAKE HIS DEMINTED MIND LOOK SANE,,,FCK HIM,,,I FEEL REEL

BAD FOR BOBBY AND HIS MOM,,,JUST DONT REPLY TO THAT CLASSLESS PEACE OF SH*T CAUSE THE MUTHAFCKER AINT WERTH IT,,,


I have never stolen from a client or used my position at my job to expose the financial records of a former horseman. rat

All unethical behavior don't you think? sneaky rat

So who is the piece of s**t? doh
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« Reply #54 on: December 10, 2012, 05:32:09 PM »


Why does everything come down to gambling first.  



This is like I've died and gone to CRACKHEAD HELL. doh

Horse racing exists only because of the gambling and the gambling is why horsemen cheat.

Did you really not have a grasp on the big picture here? doh

Are you friends with drug addicts ThePaceMaker and Purple Lavern? screwy dunno
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« Reply #55 on: December 10, 2012, 05:38:25 PM »

You wrong again IRA, ask your wife if I wont tell anybody anything to their face. Like I did today..She always has to make up lies and talk shit... I feel terrible for Zeke or any horse that has to go through any pain or suffering.  I have never in my life wished or did anything to harm any horse.. Now ask your x wife just what shes been telling people.. screwy screwy..
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« Reply #56 on: December 10, 2012, 05:44:35 PM »

Shi* BOBBLE CANE you spray to all fields..

I actually fins a lot of your stuff funny....in a Crispin Glover kind of way

Do you actually believe what you spew  screwy.....I am starting to think that cane is made from asbestos
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« Reply #57 on: December 10, 2012, 05:48:31 PM »

No ass I have parts of 16 horses some here in Illinois.  Have been a owner for four years and have enjoyed most of my time being a owner.  Except for some bad drives and lots of bills.  You fool horse racing exist because of the breeders who take the time and money to breed the animals, then to the owners who take their hard earn money to buy the babies, stake them, pay trainers, vet bills and so on but I shouldn't have to tell you since you were a owner.  Yes the gambling dollar plays a huge factor but nothing more than what owners have in the game.  The owners are the game without us there is zip.  The gaming dollar has been sliced and diced over the past 30 years more avenues for people.  I guess you are that far departed from being a owner that the two dollar bettor matters more.  And no I don't know those posters you mention, I know Bernie, Quaids and Luc since they are owners and that is about it.  
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« Reply #58 on: December 10, 2012, 07:04:54 PM »

No ass I have parts of 16 horses some here in Illinois.  Have been a owner for four years and have enjoyed most of my time being a owner.  Except for some bad drives and lots of bills.  You fool horse racing exist because of the breeders who take the time and money to breed the animals, then to the owners who take their hard earn money to buy the babies, stake them, pay trainers, vet bills and so on but I shouldn't have to tell you since you were a owner.  Yes the gambling dollar plays a huge factor but nothing more than what owners have in the game.  The owners are the game without us there is zip.  The gaming dollar has been sliced and diced over the past 30 years more avenues for people.  I guess you are that far departed from being a owner that the two dollar bettor matters more.  And no I don't know those posters you mention, I know Bernie, Quaids and Luc since they are owners and that is about it.  


Maybe YOU ought to go back and find out WHERE the purse money comes from. The owners do NOT put up the purse money. The GAMBLERS (and some drivers- laughing guy) DO.THEY SUPPLY ALL of the purses, except for the stakes races. And unless the casinos are forced to subsidize the purses. The owners foot the bill for their OWN horses. It's called THEIR PROPERTY. One is SUPPOSED to pay for ones own property. And the breeders are in it for the  dollar dollar dollar. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. More than one breeding farm has gone to the sales and bid up their own stock. Talk about making yourself important................................ bang head bang head bang head bang head

Without GAMBLING, there would be NO horse racing PERIOD.
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« Reply #59 on: December 10, 2012, 07:49:27 PM »

Believe that any horse that dies on the track the horse gets sent to the University of Illinois for a autopsy.  Where the results go from there not sure.  Maybe Old and Slow can shed some light.  And just because the pick 5 was a 168k why the *** does that have anything to do with procedure.  First thing first find out why the horse died you morons.  Why does everything come down to gambling first.  A animal died heartless ***.  Know if there was foul play have a hay day.


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I am sure the university of Illinois is part of the vast cover up.

I mean how funny is it?

The tracks do the right thing and any animal that dies on the grounds an autopsy is automatic.

But that doesn't matter they cover up the results anyway. Just ask the goofs. They are all in it together to defraud them of their bets and hard earned money.

Its all very funny except the horse is dead and I believe Ira that the trainer and driver are devastated.
I feel very bad for them.
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« Reply #60 on: December 10, 2012, 07:52:00 PM »

Shi* BOBBLE CANE you spray to all fields..

I actually fins a lot of your stuff funny....in a Crispin Glover kind of way

Do you actually believe what you spew  screwy.....I am starting to think that cane is made from asbestos

Or krack.
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« Reply #61 on: December 10, 2012, 07:57:03 PM »

Shi* BOBBLE CANE you spray to all fields..

I actually fins a lot of your stuff funny....in a Crispin Glover kind of way

Do you actually believe what you spew  screwy.....I am starting to think that cane is made from asbestos

You can't accuse me of having integrity issues because I bet and owned horses and say that is bad for a coach to do,

Then expect me to overlook or condone illegal drug use from the same guys attacking me.

I am dead serious about the drug use. Can't get on your high horse with anyone else until you clean up your act.
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« Reply #62 on: December 10, 2012, 08:09:07 PM »

No ass I have parts of 16 horses some here in Illinois.  Have been a owner for four years and have enjoyed most of my time being a owner.  Except for some bad drives and lots of bills.  You fool horse racing exist because of the breeders who take the time and money to breed the animals, then to the owners who take their hard earn money to buy the babies, stake them, pay trainers, vet bills and so on but I shouldn't have to tell you since you were a owner.  Yes the gambling dollar plays a huge factor but nothing more than what owners have in the game.  The owners are the game without us there is zip.  The gaming dollar has been sliced and diced over the past 30 years more avenues for people.  I guess you are that far departed from being a owner that the two dollar bettor matters more.  And no I don't know those posters you mention, I know Bernie, Quaids and Luc since they are owners and that is about it.  

How popular would horse racing be with just owners, no gambling and with purses supplied by the participants?

Oh yeah that would be circa 1880.

Horse racing gained it's popularity by being the only legal means to gamble before casinos and until casino expansion had an availability advantage. Now horse racing can't survive with decreased gambling dollars and is in desperate need of casino welfare just to exist on life support.

And you think the owners are the most important ingredient? doh
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« Reply #63 on: December 10, 2012, 08:10:46 PM »

Another fool I guess you know not one owner who wagers.  At Balmoral last night with the 30 people at best at the track for a 100k pick 5.  Almost willing to wager the 630.00 pick 5 ticket I played was more than the 30 people at the track.  Also without any luck put more money into the pool in the first six races.  Dropping over a grand I tried my best to cash but failed.  Guessing you haven't been to many sales even the big ones after the first day when many go for under stud fees.  Breeders have been taking it on the chin but don't let me tell you just look, under 10,000 foals bred in 2012 compared to 15,000 seven years ago.  A breeder needs at least 2.5-3 times stud fees to make some money.  Lets take Rocknroll Hanover stands for 15k in 2013 down from 20k two years ago.  So his 99 yearlings sold this year for a average 36k.  Sold 11 for over 100k while a staggering 56 sold for 20k or less.  Yes won't argue that these breeders bid up there horses.  Yes let me go back the slot states get most of there money from the casino revenues.  If they had to get it from there Gamblers there would be no racing.  If Balmoral does a 1.0mln handle a staggering 25k goes to the purse account.  Never said the gambling dollar wasn't important but without owners and all of their risk there is no game.  Breeders play a big part, as do owners, with trainer of choice they get the animal ready for the playing field so people can wager.  And yes here in Illinois the owner does put his money into the system because most stake races are paid by the owners to race in them.  So for the Violet stake 30 horses paid 500 to stake to, that's 15k of the 50k purse, along with the entry fee of 500.  Another 5k for the starters so don't tell me all the purse money comes from the Gambler.
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« Reply #64 on: December 10, 2012, 08:19:13 PM »

Another fool I guess you know not one owner who wagers.  At Balmoral last night with the 30 people at best at the track for a 100k pick 5.  Almost willing to wager the 630.00 pick 5 ticket I played was more than the 30 people at the track.  Also without any luck put more money into the pool in the first six races.  Dropping over a grand I tried my best to cash but failed.  Guessing you haven't been to many sales even the big ones after the first day when many go for under stud fees.  Breeders have been taking it on the chin but don't let me tell you just look, under 10,000 foals bred in 2012 compared to 15,000 seven years ago.  A breeder needs at least 2.5-3 times stud fees to make some money.  Lets take Rocknroll Hanover stands for 15k in 2013 down from 20k two years ago.  So his 99 yearlings sold this year for a average 36k.  Sold 11 for over 100k while a staggering 56 sold for 20k or less.  Yes won't argue that these breeders bid up there horses.  Yes let me go back the slot states get most of there money from the casino revenues.  If they had to get it from there Gamblers there would be no racing.  If Balmoral does a 1.0mln handle a staggering 25k goes to the purse account.  Never said the gambling dollar wasn't important but without owners and all of their risk there is no game.  Breeders play a big part, as do owners, with trainer of choice they get the animal ready for the playing field so people can wager.  And yes here in Illinois the owner does put his money into the system because most stake races are paid by the owners to race in them.  So for the Violet stake 30 horses paid 500 to stake to, that's 15k of the 50k purse, along with the entry fee of 500.  Another 5k for the starters so don't tell me all the purse money comes from the Gambler.

I haven't made a stake payment or starters fee since 2002 and you're telling me you had a 500 starting fee?

Obviously fees are going way up since I raced so I give you that owner's contributions are a higher percentage now.

But gambling is still the key ingredient and without it your horses pull Amish carriages.
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« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2012, 08:23:25 PM »

High and mighty Knowitall how do you as a coach of baseball explain to your players that for a decade or more many of the games super stars were juiced up.  On how those players help cause salaries to sky rocket causing ticket prices to go higher.  How about the high school kids that fell in love with Sammy and Mark homer fest that they began using steroids in high school causing some to die.  Or the guys in the minor league system that had to juice if they every wanted to make the show.  Drugs are rampant in every sport why because every needs the edge or they get fazed out.  I have issues with some of the things you say but not all I believe their dirty stuff happening just because.  Like I said your getting stale with Illinois racing move onto the states with racino's and all their dirty baggage.  See Burke has Run and Tell Pap a  preferred winner in 54.3.  Burke has made a living buying older Illinois breds and improving them off the bat into late closer stars or overnight preferred winners.  
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« Reply #66 on: December 10, 2012, 08:31:43 PM »

You can't accuse me of having integrity issues because I bet and owned horses and say that is bad for a coach to do,

Then expect me to overlook or condone illegal drug use from the same guys attacking me.

I am dead serious about the drug use. Can't get on your high horse with anyone else until you clean up your act.

Its gonna be legal- the people have spoken & NOBODY considers weed illegal drug use, even though its illegal..
I see more people addicted to Opiods & crap like that- do you take pain killers swooey?
Not trying to make a joke but would assume if you really need a cane to walk that there are some pain issues..

I am never on a high horse- am a man of the people....I dont expect harness racing to be perfectly clean like any other sport.
Those are the costs of doing biz.

If I hated something so much, just wouldn't do it.....period
life to short Swooey to get caught up in the minutia
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« Reply #67 on: December 10, 2012, 08:34:10 PM »

Sad thing to lose a pet---sorry smolin family
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« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2012, 08:34:18 PM »

That's just one Hanover which usually gets chopped with more than 13 entries is payment of 300, 300, and entry of 300.  Purse gets chopped to 30k.  For the Hanover you may have 50 staked.  Springfield 500 entry, Duquion 500 entry, supernight 1,500 entry but every finals entry gets part of the purse.  Again never said it wasn't important plays a part like everything else.  I spent most of my 20's spending weekly paychecks at the OTB on the thoroughbreds I know the public plays a big part.  I'm jealous as hell of the stories in the 70's and 80's on a Friday night that Sportsman part was 30,000 people deep.  Wish it was like that today.
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« Reply #69 on: December 10, 2012, 10:40:27 PM »

Jim Musick drops a horse dead right in his barn with the needle still in it's neck and the IRB does nothing as well---what's a mother to do?

His breakfast club cronies covered for him....
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« Reply #70 on: December 10, 2012, 11:42:43 PM »

That's just one Hanover which usually gets chopped with more than 13 entries is payment of 300, 300, and entry of 300.  Purse gets chopped to 30k.  For the Hanover you may have 50 staked.  Springfield 500 entry, Duquion 500 entry, supernight 1,500 entry but every finals entry gets part of the purse.  Again never said it wasn't important plays a part like everything else.  I spent most of my 20's spending weekly paychecks at the OTB on the thoroughbreds I know the public plays a big part.  I'm jealous as hell of the stories in the 70's and 80's on a Friday night that Sportsman part was 30,000 people deep.  Wish it was like that today.

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« Reply #71 on: December 11, 2012, 12:02:53 AM »

IRA WHY DUE YOU LET THIS PEACE OF SH*T GIT TO YOU,,,NOW YOURRE AS BAD AS BOBBY,,,YOU TOO SHULD NOT EVER RESPOND TO

THIS FCKING NUTCASE,,,HE ISNT WERTH THE FCKING TIME OF DAY,,,KARMA WILL GIT THIS MUTHERFCKER AND YOU BETTA BELEAVE

THAT,,,NO FCKING RESPECT HE WANTS TO USE ANYTING HE CAN TO MAKE HIS DEMINTED MIND LOOK SANE,,,FCK HIM,,,I FEEL REEL

BAD FOR BOBBY AND HIS MOM,,,JUST DONT REPLY TO THAT CLASSLESS PEACE OF SH*T CAUSE THE MUTHAFCKER AINT WERTH IT,,,
Your right J Manx he should let u and I respond to the jack azz!
It is true that big D's has taken on new natural herb products that are excellent blood builders and many new products and they are perfectly leagual and the blood builder I'm referring too does take about two months to take full affect .
So take your tape conversation over too a tack shop and check it out b4 u start blowing hot smoke up investigators azz.
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« Reply #72 on: December 11, 2012, 12:54:17 AM »

Thats right fuzzy.  thumbs up
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« Reply #73 on: December 11, 2012, 02:11:12 AM »

Cam Newton stole some kids lap top. Doesn't make him any less of a QB!
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« Reply #74 on: December 11, 2012, 08:37:03 AM »

As the famous Africian Americian told the public " Why can't we all get along "
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