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« Reply #400 on: January 02, 2013, 10:44:24 AM »

It reads to me like they will require the horses to be off the Hawthorne backside, somewhere else for 28 days, before they're allowed to come into Fairmount.
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« Reply #401 on: January 02, 2013, 12:25:50 PM »


   Thats how I read it also. So no testing required  Roll Eyes just take in horses on a trainers word that they have been off the grounds for 28 days and have appeared to show no illness . You will be required however to have a health certificate and we all know that these can be acquired by doing some pencil whipping. crossedfingers
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« Reply #402 on: January 02, 2013, 01:03:09 PM »

It reads to me like they will require the horses to be off the Hawthorne backside, somewhere else for 28 days, before they're allowed to come into Fairmount.

Yes. But for how long. This isn't a policy that will stay in effect forever. I'm guessing once the quarantine is lifted, Fairmount will then accept horses 28 days after that date. But that's just a guess. Sorry, but FP is not running a spring meet without Steve, Scott, and Rusty's horses.
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« Reply #403 on: January 02, 2013, 01:11:50 PM »

We are open to your suggestions as to how we can make this foolproof. We have several ideas as to how we will verify that it has been 28 days and we might require proof of being vaccinated for the virus. Again we welcome your help in making sure the virus doesn't come to Fairmount.
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« Reply #404 on: January 02, 2013, 01:31:25 PM »

We are open to your suggestions as to how we can make this foolproof. We have several ideas as to how we will verify that it has been 28 days and we might require proof of being vaccinated for the virus. Again we welcome your help in making sure the virus doesn't come to Fairmount.

If the policy is currently "off Hawthorne grounds for 28 days", it would seem to make sense that 28 days after the quarantine is lifted, horses could come back to FP provided there are no new cases at Hawthorne after the quarantine ends. Just my opinion of course, but at that point I don't see what the difference would be.
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« Reply #405 on: January 02, 2013, 01:57:04 PM »

   Thats how I read it also. So no testing required  Roll Eyes just take in horses on a trainers word that they have been off the grounds for 28 days and have appeared to show no illness . You will be required however to have a health certificate and we all know that these can be acquired by doing some pencil whipping. crossedfingers

Well, that's a Fairmount issue. You seem to have some pull down there, so fix it.
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« Reply #406 on: January 02, 2013, 04:16:59 PM »

I want to head off any rumor or misinformation that may come out in the coming hours/days. Unfortunately Campo Joti had to be put down today. She fought a long battle but was just in too much pain. It is important that everyone knows that she tested negative for the virus several weeks ago. This has nothing to do with the virus. She foundered after she had contracted the virus and they just weren't able to get her through it. They tried for weeks. But in the end she just couldn't fight it. It is heartbreaking to know that she had to be put down. She was such a sweetheart. You won't find a friendlier horse anywhere.
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« Reply #407 on: January 02, 2013, 05:22:28 PM »

I want to head off any rumor or misinformation that may come out in the coming hours/days. Unfortunately Campo Joti had to be put down today. She fought a long battle but was just in too much pain. It is important that everyone knows that she tested negative for the virus several weeks ago. This has nothing to do with the virus. She foundered after she had contracted the virus and they just weren't able to get her through it. They tried for weeks. But in the end she just couldn't fight it. It is heartbreaking to know that she had to be put down. She was such a sweetheart. You won't find a friendlier horse anywhere.

Sorry to hear. I remember her winning at AP.

"Nothing to do with the virus" though? I'm a bit confused. Didn't she founder as a result of getting the virus? May not be directly related but certainly indirect it seems (and even worse/more related than the other indirect death of Coragil Cat).
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« Reply #408 on: January 02, 2013, 05:33:19 PM »

Sorry to hear. I remember her winning at AP.

"Nothing to do with the virus" though? I'm a bit confused. Didn't she founder as a result of getting the virus? May not be directly related but certainly indirect it seems (and even worse/more related than the other indirect death of Coragil Cat).

Sorry Chris. What I mean is she didn't die from the virus so the discussion of clock resets or anything like that would be pointless. Yes, she foundered after being nuerological in November. My statement was only in an effort to head off the "new dead horse" posts.
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« Reply #409 on: January 02, 2013, 06:05:51 PM »

   

   I agree Brivolta however Manley Becker and Hellman are but a small piece of the puzzle. We have trainers stabled here who ship in daily that own a farm and rent stalls out to just about anyone. Whats to keep these people from stabling at their farm and shipping sick horses here. I know that this is going to be a huge effort on everyones part to keep this virus from coming here. I think we need to address this in open forum with a few of the vets here before the training session starts. From everything Ive read the vaccine does not protect the horses from the virus that is going around. Rusty Arnold in Kentucky said in a lot of cases the killed modified virus makes things worse. Would we all feel better if the horses were tested before leaving Hawthorne serve the 28 days and then ship in with health certificate and proof of results from test?
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« Reply #410 on: January 02, 2013, 08:04:45 PM »

We are open to your suggestions as to how we can make this foolproof. We have several ideas as to how we will verify that it has been 28 days and we might require proof of being vaccinated for the virus. Again we welcome your help in making sure the virus doesn't come to Fairmount.

Trailers that are being used to transfer horses from the quarantine to a farm should be subject to the very same protocol as the animals.  I have read articles and heard from others that the virus can be spread by trailers, slop, and tack.  There is conflicting information regarding how long the virus can survive without a host animal.  However, it is apparent this IS a risk and should be addressed.  There is at least one trailer that transferred horses to a farm and then showed up at FP soon thereafter, so this is not hypothetical.
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« Reply #411 on: January 02, 2013, 08:11:01 PM »

   

   I agree Brivolta however Manley Becker and Hellman are but a small piece of the puzzle. We have trainers stabled here who ship in daily that own a farm and rent stalls out to just about anyone. Whats to keep these people from stabling at their farm and shipping sick horses here. I know that this is going to be a huge effort on everyones part to keep this virus from coming here. I think we need to address this in open forum with a few of the vets here before the training session starts. From everything Ive read the vaccine does not protect the horses from the virus that is going around. Rusty Arnold in Kentucky said in a lot of cases the killed modified virus makes things worse. Would we all feel better if the horses were tested before leaving Hawthorne serve the 28 days and then ship in with health certificate and proof of results from test?

I keep looking for the "Like" button...  This is a big concern to me, as well.  I am aware of a couple of those operations and they freely ship back and forth.  One of them doesn't even start more than a couple horses a year, yet is frequently training over the track with shipins. 

Fairmount is somewhat of a free-for-all, especially in the Winter and that is a recipe for disaster.

Either we take strong measures now or we risk our meet, which would be a much larger issue. 

It would seem extreme to disallow entry to shipins, but then it is going to really seem extreme when one of them brings in the virus and we lose the meet!
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« Reply #412 on: January 02, 2013, 08:15:44 PM »

Yes. But for how long. This isn't a policy that will stay in effect forever. I'm guessing once the quarantine is lifted, Fairmount will then accept horses 28 days after that date. But that's just a guess. Sorry, but FP is not running a spring meet without Steve, Scott, and Rusty's horses.

Hmmmm.  When the purses dropped several years ago, the above-mentioned participated to a much lower degree and the fields were still decent.  Yes, you can argue the competition might suffer but there would be participation from the smaller barns to fill the gaps.
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« Reply #413 on: January 02, 2013, 08:21:16 PM »

 
 My cynical Uncle Guido says : " If Hawthorne screwed it up, Fairmount will screw it up worse". 
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« Reply #414 on: January 03, 2013, 11:26:35 AM »

A horse trainer wouldn't lie would they?
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« Reply #415 on: January 03, 2013, 11:32:11 AM »

Hmmmm.  When the purses dropped several years ago, the above-mentioned participated to a much lower degree and the fields were still decent.  Yes, you can argue the competition might suffer but there would be participation from the smaller barns to fill the gaps.

It would certainly be easier for the barns already at FP to win purses if the ones that were at Hawthorne were locked out, and no shippers were allowed.
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« Reply #416 on: January 03, 2013, 02:25:26 PM »

I'm sure no one is suggesting that the trainers from Fairmount stabling currently at Hawthorne not be allowed back into Fairmount...But the Fairmount meet wouldn't be a no go if the above mentioned trainers didn't race there.  They simply aren't a make or break for the entire meet.
Suggestion:  When a horse ships out of Hawthorne, the trainer is required to get a health certificate stated the horses temp. and proof of the vaccination.  Dated on the day of DEPARTURE and signed by security to verify that they have left the grounds.   Then in turn, that documentation be required at Fairmount to enter the grounds with the horses tattoo being verified.  It covers the vaccination, temp. at time of departure and the DATE of departure, all signed by vet., trainer, and security. 
Like I said, just a suggestion.  It would require effort from everyone involved but if they want to race at the Fairmount meet, its a small inconvenience.
Wouldn't hurt to suggest that ALL trainers stay in their assigned SHEDROW for 28 days after the lifting of the quarantine.  It eliminates any outside traffic thru each persons horses.  There are alot of small trainers that don't employ exclusive help.  Meaning grooms, gallop boys, etc...go from barn to barn everyday.
No offense to any of my Hawthorne friends but on some level you have to agree that fact alone helped the virus spread there.  And we've also learned that you can't count on your fellow barn-mate/horseman to always be diligent with cleanliness or any integrity to report things in a timely manner...
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« Reply #417 on: January 03, 2013, 09:11:12 PM »

On a good day, my exercise rider gallops for up to five barns.  Scary proposition if it spreads here.
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« Reply #418 on: January 05, 2013, 12:41:04 PM »

Janine has a couple stories on the front page about restrictions Kentucky has put in place.

In particular, "Thus, according to the memo and effective immediately, all horses entering Kentucky from Illinois must have an entry permit issued by the KDA. Further, horses currently or recently stabled at Hawthorne will not be allowed at Kentucky racetracks, with the exception of horses approved by the Kentucky state veterinarian."

That "from Illinois" business might also apply to breeding stock?

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/75359/ky-restricts-horse-movement-from-ill-due-to-ehv-1-outbreak
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« Reply #419 on: January 05, 2013, 03:33:37 PM »

Hopefully only one more week then everybody can get out.
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« Reply #420 on: January 05, 2013, 04:47:30 PM »

If the quarantine actually ends on Jan 12 and there are no new positives of any kInd after that, I predict Oaklawn and Fairmount will allow horses directly from Hawthorne by Feb 15th. Could be way off. Just one mans prediction
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« Reply #421 on: January 05, 2013, 06:13:26 PM »

Given the new information from our friends in Kentucky it seems unlikely that any Hawthorne horses will be racing at Turfway this winter.  Might this have anything to do with the feud between Churchill and the Illinois racing board?  Yes I know They are different tracks but Churchill has all the power when it comes to horse racing in the bluegrass state.  Just another conspiracy theory.
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« Reply #422 on: January 05, 2013, 06:18:00 PM »

Given the new information from our friends in Kentucky it seems unlikely that any Hawthorne horses will be racing at Turfway this winter.  Might this have anything to do with the feud between Churchill and the Illinois racing board?  Yes I know They are different tracks but Churchill has all the power when it comes to horse racing in the bluegrass state.  Just another conspiracy theory.

I'm always up for a good conspiracy theory. Let's roll with this!
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« Reply #423 on: January 05, 2013, 06:40:10 PM »

Whatever happens it should be some short fields in Feb. when they come back.And running for the casino enhanced purses for awhile anyway.
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« Reply #424 on: January 05, 2013, 08:22:22 PM »


    Its no surprise that Kentucky has changed its policy in regards to allowing Ill horses onto the track. As we ALL know (besides Terry) this virus has been mishandled from the onset. The constant change of protocol has done nothing to aid in the eradication. I have also wondered if the total environment was given consideration when seeking advice. The cramped barn area with virtually little to no ventilation and the horrid air quality I feel certainly hasn't been any help in the fight.
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