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Author Topic: Why is nothing being done at Hawthorne  (Read 33264 times)
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« Reply #150 on: November 16, 2012, 05:41:46 PM »

it falls on everyone working there but its their property so they are the ones ultimately responsible and potentially liable wouldnt you say?

I don't know. The State Ag Department is in charge of these things. Are any horses owned by Hawthorne getting sick? Spreading the disease?
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« Reply #151 on: November 16, 2012, 05:54:31 PM »

Terry, we scratched.  Couldn't do it.  Just wanted to let everyone know.

I agree with you that horses from a "sick" barn should not be mixing with the general population. That just seems like plain old common sense. It would be interesting to know why sick barns aren't immediately put off limits like Barn A was at the beginning of the meet. Maybe our DRF reporter Marcus or someone could ask the State vet?   
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« Reply #152 on: November 16, 2012, 06:00:24 PM »

I just got TVG back to watch that race with Zen's little sister.  I could not even watch any Hawthorne races.  I can't believe what's going on there.   It's terrible.
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« Reply #153 on: November 16, 2012, 06:15:21 PM »

The ITHA wont say anything that would compromise Hawthorne and the Spring Welfare Meet.
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« Reply #154 on: November 16, 2012, 06:19:58 PM »

The ITHA wont say anything that would compromise Hawthorne and the Spring Welfare Meet.

Ah ... "Spring Welfare Meet" ... that's what we're calling Illinois horseman earning purses in Illinois during the first four months of the year now that Churchill/Arlington wants those simulcast dates for its own out-of-state welfare. Well, you're consistent if nothing else, TM.   
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« Reply #155 on: November 16, 2012, 06:23:07 PM »

Arlington does own the national jockey club........those were their dates to begin with......
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« Reply #156 on: November 16, 2012, 07:31:05 PM »

Ok, answering questions that I have the answers to

There was no one from the Dept. of Agri. At this mornings meeting.  Furthermore, the ITHA has not gotten involved to the best of my knowledge.  Certainly not attending this mornings meeting. 
G3tpwned:  I agree that Reavis' horses should not be allowed to train for more than one reason.  The main reason not being that he had a pos. 2 days ago, but that he is also stabled with us and we have between us 5 positives, including our fatality.
At this point as lax as the isolation situation is, I don't see how training with the general population is any different.

Brivolta:
Beckers horses were scratched because of the situation.  What I find very difficult to understand is hy they did NOT scratch our horse out of the 7th race.  My husband ultimately scratched the horse not being able to bring the horse over in good conscience knowing the horse is stabled with no less than 5 confirmed positive horses.

Terry:
Hawthorne doesn't own horses.  And we have been pleading to have OUR barn SHUT down, to no avail.  Our own vet was with my husband this morning trying to accomplish the same goal. 

Barn E

To date:
Reavis = 1 confirmed tested positive
Bennett (us) = 1 fatality, 3 additional positives

And this is just the last 72 hours....

But not to worry, the STATE vet, is not concerned.
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« Reply #157 on: November 16, 2012, 07:41:59 PM »

Today's latest update, from Hawthorne via the ITHA website:

"       to allow those healthy horses to control this outbreak..."  


Why don't you people sit back and pour yourselves a stiff drink?

For according to the official statement there, the hens in Hawthorne's hen house no longer need any help from you foxes.


Much as with the breeding industry, apparently you're about to be reminded that horses would be just fine without you, given the fact that they already know how to 'do-it' without your too-often-rendered assistance.
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« Reply #158 on: November 16, 2012, 07:43:40 PM »

3 claims today....

Race 1
Grand Composer
Tim Ice

Race 2
Angel in the evening
Mike Reavis

Race 6
Al mudeer
Charles Walker, JR.

Ok...how about a game of musical horses DURING AN EPIDEMIC...

seriously...this is sickening
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« Reply #159 on: November 16, 2012, 07:46:19 PM »

3 claims today....

Race 1
Grand Composer
Tim Ice

Race 2
Angel in the evening
Mike Reavis

Race 6
Al mudeer
Charles Walker, JR.

Ok...how about a game of musical horses DURING AN EPIDEMIC...

seriously...this is sickening


If I'm not mistaken I think Scott claimed Dixie's Back back as well.
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« Reply #160 on: November 16, 2012, 08:20:20 PM »

I guess it just gets better and better, huh
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« Reply #161 on: November 16, 2012, 08:56:11 PM »

ITHA has scheduled a conference call with the State of Illinois Dept of Agriculture for Monday 19, at 1pm.  Horsemen can submit questions to Mike Campbell for him to ask the Ag group.

http://itharacing.com/weeklywhinnies/detail/detaillist/MjQ3
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« Reply #162 on: November 16, 2012, 09:11:55 PM »

MONDAY ?  Really ? Great !  More than 72 hours from now.  Would you like for me to Re-cap the past 72 hours for you again ? 
What was the delay ?


I won't be available on MONDAY, as I will be speaking to the Governor at that time, but thanks for the delayed reaction to this situation.

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« Reply #163 on: November 16, 2012, 09:17:06 PM »

I follow this group on Twitter so if anyone feels it becomes necessary, you can "Contact" them. They are not an extremist PETA group but are a group dedicated to the welfare of horses.

http://www.horsefund.org/about-us-one.php
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« Reply #164 on: November 16, 2012, 09:18:55 PM »

Arlington does own the national jockey club........those were their dates to begin with......

No, it doesn't. Duchossois Industries bought the NJC note, not Churchill. And besides, the State of Illinois "owns" dates. Dates don't go along with the old furniture and equipment Mr. D repossessed when he called in his note.
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« Reply #165 on: November 16, 2012, 09:22:05 PM »

Terry:
Hawthorne doesn't own horses. 

I know that. I was making the point it's not their animals getting sick, or infecting others. Those belong to horsemen.
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« Reply #166 on: November 16, 2012, 09:54:12 PM »

MONDAY ?  Really ? Great !  More than 72 hours from now.  Would you like for me to Re-cap the past 72 hours for you again ? 
What was the delay ?


I won't be available on MONDAY, as I will be speaking to the Governor at that time, but thanks for the delayed reaction to this situation.



Time to head for Tampa!
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« Reply #167 on: November 16, 2012, 09:54:37 PM »

Ok, sorry Terry, I misunderstood.  
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« Reply #168 on: November 16, 2012, 09:57:08 PM »

Apcd Dan .....that was just mean.     Smiley     I can't WAIT to get to Tampa....
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« Reply #169 on: November 16, 2012, 10:01:08 PM »




 Another horse just died as of 15 min ago out of barn 9!  Cmon Hawthorne!!!!!!! We KNOW you all read these blogs!!! SHUT THE F#$@ PLACE DOWN AND FULL QUARANTINE!!!!!
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« Reply #170 on: November 16, 2012, 10:05:09 PM »

Where did you hear this ?
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« Reply #171 on: November 16, 2012, 10:06:11 PM »

Horrible to hear that another horse was lost.
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« Reply #172 on: November 16, 2012, 10:09:41 PM »

My husband is on the phone with Steve Manley as we speak, and his filly did not die.  She is, at the moment, stable and being made as comfortable as possible. Please refrain from relaying information that is not directly verified by the trainer or owner.
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« Reply #173 on: November 16, 2012, 10:14:33 PM »

I agree with you that horses from a "sick" barn should not be mixing with the general population. That just seems like plain old common sense. It would be interesting to know why sick barns aren't immediately put off limits like Barn A was at the beginning of the meet. Maybe our DRF reporter Marcus or someone could ask the State vet?   
Had a good long talk with an equine infectious disease professor at UC Davis this evening. He agreed with what several horse-people suggested today: At this point, EHV-1 is everywhere on the backstretch. Horses are regularly being exposed. Many will contract it. A smaller number will exhibit non-neurlogical symptoms. A smaller number still will have the neurologic symptoms. Of those, 30% or so will die.

The reason the Barn E outbreak is being treated differently than Barn A is this: When the EHV-1 first hit, the hope was it would be isolated in one barn, as often happens in these situations. Remember: The entire backstretch was not quarantined then, and horses could still come and go. Once the virus jumped, the de facto quarantine came down, & at that point, the entire backstretch started getting treated like Barn A was before the jump. Instead of shutting down barns, the protocol of isolating neurologically symptomatic & positive-testing horses became the rule.

You can accept this or criticize it, but apparently these are fairly standard actions based on historical precedent. 
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« Reply #174 on: November 16, 2012, 10:14:58 PM »

My husband is on the phone with Steve Manley as we speak, and his filly did not die.  She is, at the moment, stable and being made as comfortable as possible. Please refrain from relaying information that is not directly verified by the trainer or owner.

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