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Author Topic: What horse racetracks used to look like in Toronto  (Read 2900 times)
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« on: November 11, 2012, 09:48:37 PM »

Today I came across some great old photos of early Toronto (Tbred) racing. It's incredible to see the crowd size at Old Woodbine/Greenwood. In one from 1926, it's raining on opening day but still packed, a canopy on the apron from all the umbrellas.

It's hard to imagine the work involved manually updating the toteboard. How often were they able to update the odds before a race?

Photos from the City of Toronto Archives.
http://www.blogto.com/city/2012/04/what_horse_racetracks_used_to_look_like_in_toronto/















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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2012, 09:50:58 PM »

Wow.......great pics!!!!

Back then a day at the races, was...........A DAY AT THE RACES!!!!
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2012, 10:00:43 PM »

My God people at a racetrack..Ain't seen that in awhile now.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2012, 10:07:50 PM »

Great pics Miss.

Thanks for posting them. thumbs up thumbs up
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2012, 10:09:58 PM »

Roaring 20's............depressed a few short years later.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2012, 10:11:13 PM »

The old photos with a packed upper tier grandstand always make me nervous... pic taken 80 years ago but I'm certain it could collapse any minute.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2012, 10:11:32 PM »

NICE PICYOURS,,,DA ONLY TIME YOU SEE ANYTING CLOS TO THAT,,,DERBY DAY,,,OR BREDDERS CROWN DAYZ,,,
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2012, 10:16:12 PM »

The old photos with a packed upper tier grandstand always make me nervous... pic taken 80 years ago but I'm certain it could collapse any minute.


The only collapse at Wrigley Field so far has been the.............
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2012, 10:45:55 PM »

I have a few oldies myself.











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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2012, 10:51:24 PM »

A pickpocketers dream!

When I went to the Derby.........I shoved it down the front of my pants.
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2012, 10:53:15 PM »

A pickpocketers dream!

When I went to the Derby.........I shoved it down the front of my pants.
I TRYED THAT,,,BUT IT WOODINT FIT,,,  dunno
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2012, 11:08:34 PM »

I TRYED THAT,,,BUT IT WOODINT FIT,,,  dunno
Is that a PICKLED IN YUR PUCKET OR ARE YOU GLADED DO SEE ME ?
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2012, 11:41:04 PM »

I have a few oldies myself.

-- 1st photo: Is that a pic of the old Greenwood entrance?

-- 3rd photo (Wageringwindow): Also Greenwood? I've seen this one from other angles. Not sure if it's the same track or even which track it is but it's a sight. 40 open windows with lines 20 deep.

-- Last photo (devonshire-1920s): What a great building, eh? They probably knocked it down.

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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2012, 11:50:31 PM »

In the original post (3rd pic) you'll notice the horses were running the opposite direction.
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2012, 02:00:53 AM »

Horse racing Illinois Chicago 1900 1909

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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2012, 08:11:27 AM »

-- 1st photo: Is that a pic of the old Greenwood entrance?

-- 3rd photo (Wageringwindow): Also Greenwood? I've seen this one from other angles. Not sure if it's the same track or even which track it is but it's a sight. 40 open windows with lines 20 deep.

-- Last photo (devonshire-1920s): What a great building, eh? They probably knocked it down.



Thanks for posting MISS! these pics are great!
Entering Mohawk they have a long row of pictures which some I believe are replicas of the pics you post. I always try to get to the track well before post of the 1st race to see the pics which capture the early days of Canadian racing. thumbs up thumbs up horse trotter horse shoe beer
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2012, 09:06:42 AM »

-- 1st photo: Is that a pic of the old Greenwood entrance?

-- 3rd photo (Wageringwindow): Also Greenwood? I've seen this one from other angles. Not sure if it's the same track or even which track it is but it's a sight. 40 open windows with lines 20 deep.

-- Last photo (devonshire-1920s): What a great building, eh? They probably knocked it down.



Yes the 1st photo is indeed the Greenwood entrance.

The wagering window photo I believe is an American track but nobody has been able to correctly identify which one.
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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2012, 09:09:07 AM »

Great Pictures !!!!
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2012, 09:53:02 AM »

Awesome pics! Unfortunately someone running racetracks will see the long mutual lines and the 5cent win place show! It appears as that is where they are headed? bang head
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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2012, 10:01:22 AM »

The racetracks in Japan still pack them in. I turned on TV-G and watched a race from there and it had
to be over 100k people there.
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2012, 10:08:48 AM »

The racetracks in Japan still pack them in. I turned on TV-G and watched a race from there and it had
to be over 100k people there.

Hong Kongers are probably the greatest gamblers in horse racing.

I read a report that 90% of the adult population bets on horses.

Don't know if it is true. dunno
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2012, 10:15:10 AM »

Great Pics! thumbs up horse trotter
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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2012, 10:27:34 AM »

Hong Kongers are probably the greatest gamblers in horse racing.

I read a report that 90% of the adult population bets on horses.

Don't know if it is true. dunno

12 to 15 years ago The Meadowlands took action on the Hong Kong races and they stayed open from midnight to 5AM on Fridays and Saturdays. I remember walking out and a huge Asian crowd would come in. It looked like more people coming in than leaving. I don't know what the numbers were or why they put a stop to it.
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2012, 12:41:49 PM »

Great Pics! thumbs up horse trotter

Them pics been online for more than a decade.
 Links have been provided here previously, however the items are simply too old for general interest.

 It was my hope that museum's Roosevelt Project would be presented in a similar manner, however it isn't going to happen.
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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2012, 02:26:03 PM »


Thanks for the link. I love the Library of Congress photo archives. They have a great collection of old harness photos, too. I've spent several hours browsing on the site.

Here are a few from your link that stick out:




1903 [Hawthorne Race Track, group of racehorses, jockeys, and handlers in front of grandstand filled with spectators]

Wow! Hawthorne's grandstand at the turn of the century. Check out that giant cloth canopy. I wish a few of these great old grandstands survived. I think many old fair track grandstands are still around but it was the big tracks that had the elaborate ones, and they had to change with the times.





1903 [Racehorse, Lucien Appleby, with jockey mounted, walking on muddy racetrack by the grandstand, Washington Park Race Track]

How's that for a sloppy track? Fast, good, sloppy & sludge.





1904 [Horse racing, Worth Race Track, ten racehorses, with mounted jockeys, racing neck and neck]

I read that before electric starting gates, horses just stood or circled around behind a chalk line or rope until the race started. I don't know a thing about Worth Race Track but it looks like the horses started at the finish line. I did just read elsewhere "Worth Race Track, Worth IL, now the site of Holy Sepulcher Cemetery, Mayor Richard J Daley is buried there."

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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2012, 02:35:06 PM »

And in the 20's and 30's hell even into the 60's....you always had to bet $2 to win.....that was a lot of money for the times.....In fact $2 in 1930 is $26.61 in 2011
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2012, 02:39:45 PM »

Google's Time-Life archives and photographer Peter Stackpole includes 48-pics of Greyhoud, if your able to locate them (the search options are dismal).

 The University of Kentucky Digital has 280+ harness racing pics
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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2012, 02:56:12 PM »

Thanks for posting MISS! these pics are great!
Entering Mohawk they have a long row of pictures which some I believe are replicas of the pics you post. I always try to get to the track well before post of the 1st race to see the pics which capture the early days of Canadian racing. thumbs up thumbs up horse trotter horse shoe beer

Sounds nice. All tracks should put up at least a few pics detailing their history. Every track has history. One of the things I like about harness is that it's been around so long and is still loved by many. The historical context of the sport is a positive selling point that is wasted when not used.

I hope to visit Mohawk and Woodbine someday. I've visited Toronto a few times, before I got into harness.
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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2012, 03:00:44 PM »

Yes the 1st photo is indeed the Greenwood entrance.

The wagering window photo I believe is an American track but nobody has been able to correctly identify which one.

I will dig through my pics to see if I saved copies of the other angles of that wagering window photo. I remember what they looked like and at least one was close-up shot from the ground, had to be the same building.
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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2012, 03:09:04 PM »

The racetracks in Japan still pack them in. I turned on TV-G and watched a race from there and it had
to be over 100k people there.

Hong Kongers are probably the greatest gamblers in horse racing.

I read a report that 90% of the adult population bets on horses.

Don't know if it is true. dunno

Yeah, I've seen pics/video of modern Asian horse tracks with huge crowds. Must be nice. I guess they don't have scratch-off lottery tickets in Asia. They for sure have one arm bandits but maybe not the machines with buttons for the folks too lazy to pull down the arm. lol
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« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2012, 03:43:28 PM »

Them pics been online for more than a decade.
 Links have been provided here previously, however the items are simply too old for general interest.

 It was my hope that museum's Roosevelt Project would be presented in a similar manner, however it isn't going to happen.

You've probably seen this already, Wilderness, but here is a nice collection of Roosevelt photos: http://rrtrotting.com.

And thanks for the other 2 links. The Life archive I'm well familiar with but it's been a while since I've done a harness search. The other looks very interesting. Thanks.
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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2012, 04:48:17 PM »

Great stuff Miss!..........You'll be a great addition to BTW.
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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2012, 05:45:48 PM »

Totallly awesome stuff ! Thank you all!
This is so cool great thread you started Miss! trophy trotter
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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2012, 07:37:52 PM »

FUZZ WE FINALLY AGREE,,,,,,,GREAT STUFF MISS
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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2012, 07:49:05 PM »

FUZZ WE FINALLY AGREE,,,,,,,GREAT STUFF MISS
I bet we agree on more than u would imagine !
Dalrae your chain is so much fun to yank!
I just can't help it the devil makes me do it!
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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2012, 07:51:43 PM »

YOUR FUN TO PLAY WITH
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« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2012, 07:52:56 PM »

FUZZ WE FINALLY AGREE,,,,,,,GREAT STUFF MISS

She finally took her meds. Whew!!!
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« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2012, 08:00:11 PM »

SEE BUZZ BE NICE
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« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2012, 08:05:40 PM »

SEE BUZZ BE NICE

Just yanking her chain.
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« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2012, 08:20:20 PM »

I KNOW BUT ITS TRUE
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« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2012, 08:21:48 PM »

She finally took her meds. Whew!!!

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I never give up its caled heart and it's from being around race horse most all my life!
So does your stubbornness comes from being a jackazzs isn't that what u ride?

Back at u sea donkey!
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« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2012, 08:36:18 PM »

FUZZZ,,,HAVE YOU PUT AWAY WET  TOO MANY TIMES
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« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2012, 08:42:01 PM »

FUZZZ,,,HAVE YOU PUT AWAY WET  TOO MANY TIMES
Darlae myanmar you don't read as we'll as I had hoped !
You haven't figured it out yet?
I'll give you a hint Ms fuzzy pants !
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« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2012, 08:44:25 PM »

FUZZZ,,,HAVE YOU PUT AWAY WET  TOO MANY TIMES

Delrae: I am still laughing at your response.

"Couldn't get lucky in a men's prison?"

 laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2012, 08:54:00 PM »

Delrae: I am still laughing at your response.

"Couldn't get lucky in a men's prison?"

 laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy
You have no idea how many I've had in handcuffs!
In a language maybe u can try to understand they got lucky.
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« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2012, 09:09:21 PM »

You have no idea how many I've had in handcuffs!
In a language maybe u can try to understand they got lucky.

This is nice thread by Missy.

I don't wanna spoil it by talking about men handcuffed to bedposts and S&M.
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« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2012, 10:27:27 PM »

FUZZYS ONLY WAY TO KEEP A GUY
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« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2012, 10:49:33 PM »

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The Life archive I'm well familiar with but it's been a while since I've done a harness search.

Good luck with that.
I tried every variation possible of harness racing words since yesterday and got ZILCH.
Even tried "Hambledon" and "Coshen", which some of the pics were categorized under previously. ZILCH.

 Glad I took the time a few years ago to search the ones I could find and save them locally.
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« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2012, 02:28:00 PM »

Wow.......great pics!!!!

Back then a day at the races, was...........A DAY AT THE RACES!!!!


Yeah, and back then, those women were hotties.
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« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2012, 05:05:39 PM »

And in the 20's and 30's hell even into the 60's....you always had to bet $2 to win.....that was a lot of money for the times.....In fact $2 in 1930 is $26.61 in 2011

And now at Woodbine 82 years later in 2012 you can make $1 win/place/show bets.

Go figure.
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« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2012, 08:40:25 PM »

Used to love the $50 windows at Hollywood Park back in the late 70's and early 80's..now i get stuck behind someone betting .10 supers... used to have 20,000 people live on a fri. or sat. nite....some of those pictures bring back good memories..
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« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2012, 09:08:14 PM »

Used to love the $50 windows at Hollywood Park back in the late 70's and early 80's..now i get stuck behind someone betting .10 supers... used to have 20,000 people live on a fri. or sat. nite....some of those pictures bring back good memories..
I loved the 5 and 50 at bay meadows!
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« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2012, 09:27:40 PM »

JUST BET ON THE COMPUTER
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« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2012, 04:01:42 PM »

I have a few oldies myself.




Here is the similar pic I had in mind. I guess I only had one but thought I had two. I'm pretty sure it's the same track, with the same hill & fence in the background.



Here's a link to a larger version:
http://i1307.photobucke1.com/albums/s595/cm_c1/1a/wageringwindow-Lifelg.jpeg

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« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2012, 04:10:08 PM »

Here is the similar pic I had in mind. I guess I only had one but thought I had two. I'm pretty sure it's the same track, with the same hill & fence in the background.





Miss do you know the name of the track where this pic was taken?


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« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2012, 04:36:33 PM »

I don't but would also like to know. Maybe someone on the forum recognizes it.
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« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2012, 05:27:24 PM »

It's the betting windows at Good Time Park.

There are a few similar photo's in the Time-Life archives.

from photographer, N R Farbman
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« Reply #57 on: November 14, 2012, 05:34:19 PM »

Good Time Park

aka Fiddler's Green.

The last year of the Hambo at Goshen was 1956 (same year Bill Cane and Al Saunders died).

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« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2012, 06:17:06 PM »

Thank you, Wilderness.
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