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Author Topic: Remember what happened after the 2003 KY Derby  (Read 1258 times)
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« on: November 11, 2012, 06:04:25 PM »

I didn't know about this but didn't Jose Santos had to go through a lot during that time. Especially since Jose's career was up and down. Kind of had a great career in the 80's but tried CA in the early 90's but didn't make it there. Since then, his career never did recover or been the same but in 2002 and 2003 really brought him back to his heyday sort of due to Volponi's win in the BC Classic and Funny Cide's run in the Triple Crown. But after his Derby win, he was accused of some kind of carrying a bad object in his hand.

Santos' Nightmare Comes to an End
by Steve Haskin
Date Posted: 5/13/03 4:46:09 PM
Last Updated: 5/13/03 4:46:09 PM

Last Sunday night, Rita Santos and her four children, Nadia, 15, Jose Jr., 8, Selena, 7, and Savannah, 5, all curled up in bed together, watching TV. Around that time, Rita's husband, Jose, was arriving in Kentucky to appear the following day before the Churchill Downs stewards, who were investigating allegations made in the Miami Herald that Santos may have been carrying an illegal object in his hand in the Kentucky Derby.

Rita would always fall asleep watching TV when Jose was out of town. On this night, she wanted the family to be together after the ordeal they had been put through since Saturday morning when the Herald's story and accompanying photo appeared. She felt she had done a good job keeping most of it from the kids. But, as she dozed off, she had no idea that Selena was watching her father on TV arriving in Kentucky.

At 2 a.m., Selena was having trouble sleeping, and appeared disturbed. When Rita asked her what was wrong, she said, "I can't sleep. I'm nervous. I didn't realize my daddy was such a bad person."

Rita was devastated. "How do you handle something like that at two in the morning?" she said. "I probably shouldn't have told Jose about it, but it just hurt so much. I told Jose the next morning, 'I know you're going to get through all this, but I have to tell you what Selena said.' After I told him, I said I would talk to her and tell her everything is going to be OK. That afternoon, we watched the press conference on TV, and I could see the hurt in Jose's eyes. The day before, he was pretty cool and calm, and looked like he was handling it well. But even on TV, I could see a different look in his eyes. I could see the anger in there. I know my husband well, and I knew from his face that what Selena said really hurt him a lot."

Selena's remark was the low point for the Santos family. Fortunately, Jose Jr., who has been a fixture around the track for years, had enough racetrack savvy to know that all the accusations were false. Rita and Jose tried their best to protect him from the possible repercussions, at school and at the track. But he was well aware what was happening. He told Rita, "Dad thinks I don't know what what's going on. But they're accusing my dad of cheating and I know he's not a cheater."

"Those were serious words from an 8-year-old," Rita said.

The incident took root on Friday, when Santos received a call from Frank Carlson of the Miami Herald. "He left a message, and I called him back," Santos recalled. "He said, 'Thank you for calling back and congratulations on your Derby win.' Then he told me I was carrying something in my hand. I told him the only thing I had was my Q-Ray bracelet for arthritis (a birthday present he received from Rita two weeks earlier). He said, 'No, you were carrying something with your whip.' I realized he was accusing me, so I said, 'I don't have time for this nonsense,' and I hung up the phone. The whole conversation lasted a total of 25-30 seconds. When I told my wife about it, she said, 'I hope that phone call doesn't bite you in the (butt) later.' And it did."

The next morning, the story and photo appeared and rocked the entire racing world. Because of miscommunication between Santos and the writer, Santos was quoted as saying he was carrying a "cue ring" for the outriders.

Rita first heard about it later that morning. Jose and " Little Joe," as Jose Jr. is known, went to the track together. At 8 a..m., Jose called Rita and told her that the Miami Herald had printed something accusing him of carrying a battery. "He told me not to worry about it," Rita said. "He said it's not going to be a big deal. At 9:30, he called again and said, 'You need to get over here and pick up Joe. This is getting bad, and we need to see an attorney.' I asked him, 'How can this be?' Then Nadia went on the Internet and pulled up the photo, and you couldn't even make anything out. The neighbors instantly started calling."

That was the beginning of a 72-hour nightmare for the Santos family and all of racing. "It was all so crazy," Rita said. "It was horrible for everyone to have to go through this. Not just us, but everyone in the industry.."

When Santos rode the beaten favorites in his first two mounts Saturday afternoon, someone shouted to him, "You can't win no more, because they took your battery away." After he won the Nassau County Breeders' Cup Stakes aboard second-choice House Party, the same person shouted, "Sure, you use your machine just for the stakes races."

It also was a bad day for Rita. "We always come out for the races on weekends," she said. "When I got here and saw all those TV cameras, I called my brother and asked him, 'Could you do me a favor and come and get the kids out of here. The media is going crazy; they're chasing Jose all over the paddock.' Then, Sunday was really rough because I had to keep the children at home all day."

Rita and Jose are so grateful for all the support everyone has shown. "Even Jay Leno, who was hosting the 'Today' show, said Jose got a bum rap, and he really doesn't know that much about racing," Rita said. "What he said brought tears to my eyes. It was so wonderful for someone who doesn't know the industry come out and support Jose. And this was before Jose was exonerated. I definitely want to send him a thank you letter."

While Jose was in Kentucky, Rita represented her husband at the state Capitol Monday, where the state legislators honored Santos for his victory in the Derby. It was there that they all watched the press conference in Kentucky, and cheered when the decision was announced. "It was unbelievable," Rita said. "We left at 8 a.m. for Albany, and it was an all-day affair. We didn't get home until midnight. The governor's words were wonderful. He said to tell Jose they were all very proud of him. He then shook Little Jose's hand and said, 'Are you proud of your daddy? Because all of New York is proud of him.' Nadia said, 'Wow! Did you hear what he said?' I'm just so glad it's over."

Santos feels even more determined now to win the Preakness. "I feel like I have to win," he said. "I have to show the public we won the Derby fair and square. I have a good horse, and I have a lot of confidence in him. I just want to put all this behind me and focus on the Preakness. It was like a big, dark cloud came, and now that cloud is gone."
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2012, 02:07:29 PM »

this is old news..i think he sued the publications that accused him and won a settlement
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2012, 04:11:05 PM »

why would anyone want to write negative when something wasn't true?
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2012, 07:16:42 PM »

... yeah, yeah, and Gary Stevens was said/rumored to have had a 'buzzer' during the 1995 KY Derby which was fictionally (and seemingly, to the untrained eye) handed-off to another jockey soon after the finish.


Why make such a big deal over crap which is repeated time and again with different characters and the same story line?

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2012, 09:24:28 PM »

... yeah, yeah, and Gary Stevens was said/rumored to have had a 'buzzer' during the 1995 KY Derby which was fictionally (and seemingly, to the untrained eye) handed-off to another jockey soon after the finish.


Why make such a big deal over crap which is repeated time and again with different characters and the same story line?



i don't believe it because gary is better than that. plus gary wasn't like that
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2012, 10:26:48 PM »

The story wasn't made up out of nothing--although Santos was eventually cleared.  There was a photo that appeared to show something in his hand that was about the right size to be a joint (not the kind you smoke).  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/horse_racing/news/2003/05/10/derby_photo_ap/

My take is that a reporter thought he had a big story and went off half-cocked.  I don't think he had bad intent--just bad judgement.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2012, 11:24:53 PM »

i don't believe it because gary is better than that. plus gary wasn't like that

I'm just curious, I've been told you are a kid, somehwere in your teens? What qualifies you to know anything about Gary?

This is no knock on Gary, who I like a lot, I'm just wondering how you are even remotely qualified to make many of the assertions you make on this board given you apparently weren't even around when these people were riding.
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2012, 12:56:15 AM »

I'm just curious, I've been told you are a kid, somehwere in your teens? What qualifies you to know anything about Gary?

This is no knock on Gary, who I like a lot, I'm just wondering how you are even remotely qualified to make many of the assertions you make on this board given you apparently weren't even around when these people were riding.

I did see Gary ride at the end of his career and of course he was passed his prime when I saw him ride and yes he was slowing down but still had a liking to his riding style. Even read his book in middle school and got him to sign it when i was in 7th grade the final year of his career. I could judge and started seriosuly focusing on racing in 2002-2003 time.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2012, 05:16:50 AM »

I did see Gary ride at the end of his career and of course he was passed his prime when I saw him ride and yes he was slowing down but still had a liking to his riding style. Even read his book in middle school and got him to sign it when i was in 7th grade the final year of his career. I could judge and started seriosuly focusing on racing in 2002-2003 time.

So you feel you were a good judge of his character when you were around 10 or 12? You also feel yourself a good judge of Jose Santos's career before you were born?
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2012, 08:18:04 AM »

So you feel you were a good judge of his character when you were around 10 or 12? You also feel yourself a good judge of Jose Santos's career before you were born?

Well, he saw how good Stevens in Seabiscuit, and in HBO's ill-fated Luck...isn't appearance on the Big Screen (or the little one) the primary way for Californians to judge their heroes?

(See ex-gov's Reagan and Schwarzenegger, ex-mayor C. Eastwood, ex-state rep. Sonny Bono, etc.)
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2012, 03:12:39 PM »

People, this is not about a "kid",  nor is it about Gary Stevens' reputation.


Any child anywhere could in 2012 dial up the rerun of the 1995 Kentucky Derby and see the supposed "video evidence" which suggested to people all over the country (many of whom actually PHONED {some sort of} authorities to report what they {thought they} saw) that Gary Stevens won the Kentucky Derby (aboard Thunder Gulch) and then, as the horses galloped-out, made contact with another jockey to whom Stevens was believed by some to have handed some sort of a 'device'.


This kind of uneducated stupidity comes into focus all the time in horse racing, so maybe we should stop making so much out of the same stupidity.  You don't have to worry about the ones who would get caught attempting to tamper with a sporting event.


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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2012, 04:09:35 PM »

about 12:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G27sCLfyMgQ


People, this is not about a "kid",  nor is it about Gary Stevens' reputation.


Any child anywhere could in 2012 dial up the rerun of the 1995 Kentucky Derby and see the supposed "video evidence" which suggested to people all over the country (many of whom actually PHONED {some sort of} authorities to report what they {thought they} saw) that Gary Stevens won the Kentucky Derby (aboard Thunder Gulch) and then, as the horses galloped-out, made contact with another jockey to whom Stevens was believed by some to have handed some sort of a 'device'.


This kind of uneducated stupidity comes into focus all the time in horse racing, so maybe we should stop making so much out of the same stupidity.  You don't have to worry about the ones who would get caught attempting to tamper with a sporting event.



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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2012, 05:40:14 PM »

So you feel you were a good judge of his character when you were around 10 or 12? You also feel yourself a good judge of Jose Santos's career before you were born?

I was 13-14 around that time. I knew they had great careers. Look up their bios and look at old youtube videos of their race rides they put in. I saw Gary's final great horse he rode which was Rock Hard Ten which of course I knew at that time that Gary had ridden better horses than that at that time. See good rides like I know during that 1986 BC Turf ride on Manila that Santos put in was amazing. Um going back to Santos you were saying, 4 national earnings titles don't grow on trees and winning riding titles at major tracks don't as well.
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2012, 11:22:31 AM »

why would anyone want to write negative when something wasn't true?

wow....

you have a lot of maturing to do. and i think once you realize just what makes up the human race, you will be very dissappointed.

have you seen any political commercials on the tv ?....you know all the things they say in them are 100% true,
they have to be, they are on tv....hehehehhe
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2012, 11:52:35 PM »

wow....

you have a lot of maturing to do.


That wouldn't entail maturation.   That is indicative of a need for regression.

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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2012, 12:46:56 PM »

ahhh..
huh ?

regression...what do statistics have to do with anything
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