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Author Topic: BIGM........................ TO START THE ABC'S OF RACING  (Read 2845 times)
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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2012, 07:19:30 PM »

When horses race on an actual circuit, mixing ABC racing and conditioned racing becomes a problem for the fans, tracks and horsemen. That happened in the mid-sixties when Yonkers transitioned to conditioned racing and Roosevelt stayed with letter classifications.

Brandywine lost its USTA membership in 1963 when it went to ABC racing, but they were reinstated the following year when they went back to the conditioned model.

There was a lot of griping about it, so three years later Joe De Frank instituted a hybrid system. Horses five and up went in letter class races, while colts and fillies raced in conditioned races, and four-year-olds had an option. De Frank was big on writing claiming races so that became a major component of the plan.

Since Brandywine’s sister track in the Delaware Valley—Liberty Bell—was a non-ABC track, issues came up. Eventually all tracks made the switch.

Since folks tended to exaggerate the value of their horses when placing them in claimers, the correlation between letter classification and claiming price, based on the purse raced for, didn’t generally work out. A-3 pacers and five and up $20,000 claimers raced for $6,000, but the A-3 pacers would generally beat the claimers racing for the same purse.

Any trainer who doesn’t like the letter the racing secretary hangs on his horse can place his own value on him by sticking him in a claimer. But to do that you need to have claiming races written for all but the top classes. Five of the twelve races on tonight’s card at YR are claimers, and six of the twelve tomorrow and Thursday. That figure drops to four on Friday. There were only two claiming races this past Saturday night. Koch will have a much easier time pulling that off during the winter meet.
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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2012, 08:05:06 PM »

"Koch will have a much easier time pulling that off during the winter meet.''He may have an easier time but let's face it the Meadowlands winter meet is crap and I don't see the ABC system doing anything but making it more of a joke than it already is.
I guess we will see.

 
 
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« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2012, 06:10:42 AM »

MY POINT EXACTLY
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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2012, 10:01:53 AM »

Clean up the game or its done, and give the betting customer a chance you bunch of pigs!
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« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2012, 10:55:46 AM »

it will be interesting to see what kind of level "1st time coleman" or "1st time garcia herrara" horses will be placed



Talk about giving the racing secretary too much power....the horses will be placed on their current form....not their potential.....of course the point is basically moot since most of them will be in claimers anyway.....the people who think this system wont work have never seen owners and trainers in the paddock with their calculators out figuring out how much money a horse can make in this race and still drop down......that makes for great racing.....though figuring out who can get class relief and who is stuck in the class for a while is the #2 handicapping tool available to the player today
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« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2012, 12:03:25 PM »

VERY TRUE MY FRIEND
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« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2012, 03:05:06 PM »

The goal is to make the raaces more exciting for the average fan....   There were too many holes at the summer meet...   The Banked turns got robbed....  I think it will work this time...
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« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2012, 05:14:52 PM »

Harness racing moved away from the ABC system was a major improvement at the time for all the reasons many of you mentioned. So why are they really going back to it? is it simply to make it easier for beginners to understand the game?
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« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2012, 05:49:51 PM »

Yes
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« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2012, 06:21:45 PM »

THEY DONT KNOW THE C LUB MED IS DEAD
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« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2012, 06:32:57 PM »

Yes
Then if thats the case, and clearly the sport of harness racing is suffering, anything to bring in new fans, or make it easier for them to understand is not a bad thing.
If all of us have stuck around this long, they arent going to lose us...JMHO
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« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2012, 07:10:36 PM »

Nobody running a racetrack has a clue how to get new fans that actually wager! Goodluck to the horsemen if you are depending on these clowns to save your sport!

Heres a carrot for the Big M idiots carrot
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« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2012, 07:26:56 PM »

Gural tried it at Tioga it was a flop. He tried it at Vernon it was a flop.
I'm sure this will work at the Meadowlands.  laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy
I GIVE DA MAN CREDIT,,,FOUR TRYIN,,,BUT THIS WONT HELP NUTTIN,,,WE NEED CHANGES,,,BUT NOT THEES KIND,,,
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« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2012, 02:24:22 PM »

HIGHER PURSES MEAN BETTER HORSES,,,,,,W/OUT A BETTER PRODUCT NOTHING ELSE MATTERS
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« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2012, 03:32:05 PM »

I gave all you whiners Jeff Gurals Email..... did anyone tell him it was a bad idea?    telling people on this forum is worthless......


I like the ABC's    The program is too hard to learn....give the beginners something easy to understand.....   how about spanish programs?   We need to embrace the latino harness fan.....or we are done



we are done.....but I mean more done,,,,,, head shake
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« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2012, 12:15:51 PM »

HIGHER PURSES MEAN BETTER HORSES,,,,,,W/OUT A BETTER PRODUCT NOTHING ELSE MATTERS

Bullshit! Big punters aren't wagering on the open races or 2 and 3 yr old stake finals!  bang head
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« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2012, 12:59:23 PM »

I am pretty sure that ABC is the same type of classification they use in DOG RACING thumbs down

Its like trying to turn chess into checkers.....still think they should cater to the horse player & not the average joe.
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« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2012, 03:55:02 PM »

BETTER PRODUCT=BETTER HANDLE
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« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2012, 04:23:23 PM »

More Latinos/Asians/Diversity=Better handle
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« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2012, 04:28:56 PM »

"Classified racing has horses evaluated by the racing secretary and moved up and down in class based upon performance,” Koch noted. "We look forward to bringing the public the great racing product the Meadowlands has always had.”

Idk, giving a person or ppl the ability to tell owners what races they can and can't enter based on their personal opinion of horses ability sure seems like a bad idea to me
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« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2012, 02:30:16 PM »

More Latinos/Asians/Diversity=Better handle

Why don't you focus on where it all went wrong? Your previous customers told you, but nobody did anything to fix it and now all you clowns are making more changes and pissing more customers off. Every track owner wants to make money from simulcasting and running a short meet with big purses. All that does is help the horsemen and kills the game further as more customers will exit.
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« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2012, 02:50:23 PM »

DRENCH ,,,VERY ACCURATE,,,,,BOTTOM LINE IS THEIR MAIN CONCERN
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« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2012, 06:40:28 AM »

NY Area Casinos....   can you tell me that these casinos are not filled with asians ??    Asians love to gamble....   I have been going to the Big M for years and years......  The place is 50% old italian guys.....30% latino/black  ...19% is young mixed crowd that looked confused..... 1% filipino/asain .      The growth is with diversity.....  those italian guys are kicking the bucket every day,,,


**** This poll is not scientific     head shake



 
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« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2012, 12:00:17 PM »

REALLY
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« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2012, 04:46:19 PM »

 nyah   but anyone that goes to the Big M knows im right...!!!!      I can smell the egg rolls already..ahhhhhhhhh
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