Chicago Barn to Wire Breeders' Cup Handicapping Tournaments
Home | News | Bloggers | Forums | Resources | Links | Marketplace | Gallery | Contact Us | Search


October 24, 2014, 06:57:23 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: If you don't remember your password, email me.

New  registration procedures -- Some ISPs have been bouncing the verification emails.  Please email me to be activated or if you have any problems.  Click Contact Us above.
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register  
Pages: 1 2 [3]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Wise Dan...  (Read 2508 times)
mel4600
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2305




Ignore
« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2012, 01:36:43 PM »

talk about a horse's talent level
frankel's opening stud fee has been set at $198,500
i have never seen a higher opening fee anywhere

Did he sell a full season yet?  Wink

Report to moderator   Logged
Bob B
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 631




Ignore
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2012, 02:50:27 PM »

Did he sell a full season yet?  Wink



Do you think he won't?
Report to moderator   Logged
mel4600
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2305




Ignore
« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2012, 10:36:45 PM »

Do you think he won't?

Don't know, just curious on real payer's on that type of stud fee. Stud fee's usually go up I thought after you prove worthy, is that not correct?
Report to moderator   Logged
Pal B
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 295




Ignore
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2012, 11:20:35 PM »

Don't know, just curious on real payer's on that type of stud fee. Stud fee's usually go up I thought after you prove worthy, is that not correct?

I think you get about two years of track performance and then the first indicator is how the foals are accepted/rated at the sales. The next year is when the price might take a big hit if they don't perform on the track. I think Dynaformer started at $5000 and made it all the way to $150,000 for a couple of years. Frankel is royalty so demand may push him up second year in the $250,000 range. Would be shocked if his book isn't full already.
Report to moderator   Logged
Equiforce
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 580




Ignore
« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2012, 11:33:58 PM »

We love and miss you Mel.  Hand them their sh** on a platter....you have forgotten...more than they can ever hope to know.   But I'm not sure you can fix stup**
Report to moderator   Logged
TheRedMile
Guest

« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2012, 11:54:33 PM »

I think you get about two years of track performance and then the first indicator is how the foals are accepted/rated at the sales. The next year is when the price might take a big hit if they don't perform on the track. I think Dynaformer started at $5000 and made it all the way to $150,000 for a couple of years. Frankel is royalty so demand may push him up second year in the $250,000 range. Would be shocked if his book isn't full already.

the first indicator is how well the foals are accepted at the sales
by the time the 1st crop is hitting the track as 2yos the 3rd crop is being born
that is why they breed so many the first few crops in order to recoup the price paid for the stud      in frankel's case that does not matter as the owner is doing the breeding
Report to moderator   Logged
honest & balanced terry
formerly plain old clockerterry
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 12612

silver-tongued track bum




Ignore
« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2012, 12:20:28 AM »

We love and miss you Mel.  Hand them their sh** on a platter....you have forgotten...more than they can ever hope to know.   But I'm not sure you can fix stup**

Someone with so few forum posts lifetime suddenly jumps right into this political nonsense, too  Roll Eyes ... Oh yeah, it just keeps getting better and better.
Report to moderator   Logged

"There are no $7500 maiden claimers, state-bred or otherwise, at Arlington."
Pal B
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 295




Ignore
« Reply #57 on: November 15, 2012, 12:31:55 AM »

the first indicator is how well the foals are accepted at the sales
by the time the 1st crop is hitting the track as 2yos the 3rd crop is being born
that is why they breed so many the first few crops in order to recoup the price paid for the stud      in frankel's case that does not matter as the owner is doing the breeding

I think track performance(and bloodlines) by the stallion comes before how the horses are accepted at the sales. That is what I was referring to. I guess I should have clarified. They are only booking a 100 I believe so will almost certainly go up next year. Would be great if he comes to the US for a year. We went to Darley while at Keeneland and most of the stallions were down under. Midshipman was there with Quiet American and Holy Bull. Midshipman is a beautiful horse  and may be a sleeper in the industry. They like him a lot.
Report to moderator   Logged
TheRedMile
Guest

« Reply #58 on: November 15, 2012, 09:38:51 AM »

i have never seen a stallion with a $100K+ initial stud fee see the fee go up in his 2nd season at stud
if anything the fee may go down in the 3rd season until the results on the track of his babies show positive results
it is not likely frankel's stud fee will rise as long as his sire galileo is still around
Report to moderator   Logged
Alpha Mare
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3845

OYE VEY!!!!



« Reply #59 on: November 15, 2012, 10:22:45 AM »

We love and miss you Mel.  Hand them their sh** on a platter....you have forgotten...more than they can ever hope to know.   But I'm not sure you can fix stup**


Be careful bud .....you can be put in 'quarantine' if we think you are 'infected'.... sarcasm
Report to moderator   Logged

Absolutely amazing.......s.m.h.....
HarnessFanDE
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3404




Ignore
« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2012, 10:35:10 AM »

i have never seen a stallion with a $100K+ initial stud fee see the fee go up in his 2nd season at stud
if anything the fee may go down in the 3rd season until the results on the track of his babies show positive results
it is not likely frankel's stud fee will rise as long as his sire galileo is still around

They tried Ghostzapper at 200k too.....In 3 years it was 30k.....Can you say Stately Victor?
« Last Edit: November 15, 2012, 11:11:15 AM by HarnessFanDE » Report to moderator   Logged

SHOWTIME!!!
Pal B
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 295




Ignore
« Reply #61 on: November 15, 2012, 11:07:30 AM »

i have never seen a stallion with a $100K+ initial stud fee see the fee go up in his 2nd season at stud
if anything the fee may go down in the 3rd season until the results on the track of his babies show positive results
it is not likely frankel's stud fee will rise as long as his sire galileo is still around

How many stallions have been a champion at 2,3, and 4? it is still supply and demand and if he keeps the book low at a 100, it could happen. Like you say,if he is a bust on the track, they lose millions down the road so why wouldn't they if the opportunity is there? Those that have the jack to pay 200 are not going to scoff at 250. It is about having a "Frankel" at that point. I hope I'm wrong, because it really puts stress on the industry when these fees get so high. They are going to make 19 million plus this year from his $200,000 fee after their costs.     
Report to moderator   Logged
TheRedMile
Guest

« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2012, 11:46:16 AM »

i think you are way off on your $19 million plus figure on a book of 100
right off the top the fee is for stands and nurses and i have yet to see any stallion receive a !00% rate  a good rate is about 90%
next we have no idea from the book of 100 how many will be juddmonte's own mares to be bred
toss in any deals foal sharing stud fee sharing etc there maybe
i think a $15 million figure looks about right

in my opinion it makes no sense to raise the stud fee in the 2nd yr
it would only piss others off and if the need to drop the fee comes in the 3 rd or 4th yr it becomes more dramatic
juddmonnte does not need the money in either case
Report to moderator   Logged
Pal B
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 295




Ignore
« Reply #63 on: November 15, 2012, 12:11:32 PM »

i think you are way off on your $19 million plus figure on a book of 100
right off the top the fee is for stands and nurses and i have yet to see any stallion receive a !00% rate  a good rate is about 90%
next we have no idea from the book of 100 how many will be juddmonte's own mares to be bred
toss in any deals foal sharing stud fee sharing etc there maybe
i think a $15 million figure looks about right

in my opinion it makes no sense to raise the stud fee in the 2nd yr
it would only piss others off and if the need to drop the fee comes in the 3 rd or 4th yr it becomes more dramatic
juddmonnte does not need the money in either case

http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing/story/Frankel-given-200000-stud-fee-by-owners-111412?ocid=ansfox11

I agree if it were any other horse, but he is now a legend.
Report to moderator   Logged
Alpha Mare
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3845

OYE VEY!!!!



« Reply #64 on: November 15, 2012, 02:53:14 PM »

Frankel was chosen European horse of the year for the second straight year on Tuesday after winning five races in 2012, maintaining his NO. 1 POSITION in the WORLD thoroughbred rankings.

does Mel know this?? lol  maroon
Report to moderator   Logged

Absolutely amazing.......s.m.h.....
mel4600
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2305




Ignore
« Reply #65 on: November 16, 2012, 09:38:36 AM »

Frankel was chosen European horse of the year for the second straight year on Tuesday after winning five races in 2012, maintaining his NO. 1 POSITION in the WORLD thoroughbred rankings.

does Mel know this?? lol  maroon

Just who gets to select the "World" thoroughbred rankings?  Huh dunno
Report to moderator   Logged
mel4600
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2305




Ignore
« Reply #66 on: November 16, 2012, 09:47:28 AM »

We love and miss you Mel.  Hand them their sh** on a platter....you have forgotten...more than they can ever hope to know.   But I'm not sure you can fix stup**


If this is who I think it is I hope to be seeing a lot of you starting in January... Wink
Report to moderator   Logged
fuzzypants
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 9416




Ignore
« Reply #67 on: November 16, 2012, 08:24:25 PM »

We love and miss you Mel.  Hand them their sh** on a platter....you have forgotten...more than they can ever hope to know.   But I'm not sure you can fix stup**

thumbs up heart trophy bowing yelln force!
Report to moderator   Logged

" when I get got , I get my Glock"
Pages: 1 2 [3]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.20 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.09 seconds with 16 queries.

Home
Upcoming events
Arlington Million
Horse slaughter in IL
Racing TV schedule
News Updates
Legislation

Galloping Out

Previous stories

Arlington
Balmoral
Hawthorne
Maywood
Chicago Sun-Times
Chicago Tribune
Blood-Horse
Daily Racing Form
Thoroughbred Times
Harness Link
Illinois Racing Board

 

2014

Arlington Million
Triple Crown
Illinois Derby

2013

Breeders' Cup
Hawthorne Gold Cup
Arlington Million
Triple Crown
Illinois Derby

2012

Breeders' Cup
Hawthorne Gold Cup
Arlington Million
Triple Crown
Illinois Derby

More ebay items

 

Home | News Updates | Bloggers | Forums | Search
Resources | Links | Marketplace | Gallery | Advertising | Contact Us

Copyright © 2000-2014 Chicago Barn to Wire. All rights reserved.
Privacy policy