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« on: October 08, 2012, 01:58:17 PM »

Which on this list never were the same after winning the jug???




2011    $526,800    Big Bad John    Ron Potter    David Miller    1:50
2010    $604,100    Rock N Roll Heaven    Bruce Saunders    Daniel Dube    1:49.2
2009    $609,150    Well Said    Steve Elliott    Ron Pierce    1:51.1
2008    $551,225    Shadow Play    Dr. Ian Moore    David Miller    1:49.3
2007    $480,000    Tell All    Blair Burgess    Jody Jamieson    1:50.3
2006    $541,000    Mr Feelgood    Jimmy Takter    Mark MacDonald    1:50
2005    $569,032    P-Forty Seven    Kelly O'Donnell    Dave Palone    1:52.1
2004    $571,500    Timesareachanging    Brett Pelling    Ron Pierce    1:51.3
2003    $605,050    No Pan Intended    David Miller    David Miller    1:53.0
2002    $618,625    Million Dollar Cam    Bill Robinson    Luc Ouellette    1:50.2
2001    $646,050    Bettor's Delight    Scott McEneny    Michel Lachance    1:51.4
2000    $547,972    Astreos    Brett Pelling    Chris Christoforou    1:55.3
1999    $543,978    Blissful Hall *    Ben Wallace    Ron Pierce    1:55.3
1998    $566,630    Shady Character    Brett Pelling    Ron Pierce    1:52.3
1997    $605,210    Western Dreamer *    Bill Robinson    Michel Lachance    1:51.1
1996    $542,240    Armbro Operative    Brett Pelling    Jack Moiseyev    1:51.2
1995    $543,670    Nick's Fantasy    Caroline Lyon    John Campbell    1:51.2
1994    $512,830    Magical Mike    Tom Haughton    Michel Lachance    1:52.3
1993    $465,500    Life Sign    Gene Riegle    John Campbell    1:52
1992    $556,210    Fake Left    George Sholty    Ron Waples    1:54.4
1991    $575,150    Precious Bunny    Bill Robinson    Jack Moiseyev    1:55
1990    $468,610    Beach Towel    Ray Remmen    Ray Remmen    1:53.3
1989    $500,020    Goalie Jeff    Tom Artandi    Michel Lachance    1:54.1
1988    $486,050    B.J. Scoot    Tom Artandi    Michel Lachance    1:52.3
1987    $412,330    Jaguar Spur    Richard Stillings    Dick Stillings    1:55.3
1986    $407,684    Barberry Spur    Richard Stillings    Bill O'Donnell    1:52.4
1985    $350,730    Nihilator    Billy Haughton    Bill O'Donnell    1:52.1
1984    $366,717    Colt Fortysix    Chris Boring    Chris Boring    1:55
1983    $358,800    Ralph Hanover *    Stew Firlotte    Ron Waples    1:55.3
1982    $328,900    Merger    John Campbell    John Campbell    1:56.3
1981    $243,799    Fan Hanover    Glen Garnsey    Glen Garnsey    1:56.3
1980    $207,361    Niatross *    Clint Galbraith    Clint Galbraith    1:54.4
1979    $226,455    Hot Hitter    Lou Meittinis    Herve Filion    1:55.3
1978    $186,760    Happy Escort    Bill Popfinger    Bill Popfinger    1:57.2
1977    $150,000    Governor Skipper    Buck Norris    John Chapman    1:56.1
1976    $153,799    Keystone Ore    Stanley Dancer    Stanley Dancer    1:57
1975    $147,813    Seatrain    Lee Benson    Ben Webster    1:57
1974    $132,630    Armbro Omaha    Billy Haughton    Billy Haughton    1:57
1973    $120,000    Melvin's Woe    Joe O'Brien    Joe O'Brien    1:57.3
1972    $104,916    Strike Out    John Hayes    Keith Waples    1:56.3
1971    $102,964    Nansemond    Herve Filion    Herve Filion    1:57.2
1970    $100,110    Most Happy Fella *    Stanley Dancer    Stanley Dancer    1:57.1
1969    $109,731    Laverne Hanover    Billy Haughton    Billy Haughton    2:00.2
1968    $104,226    Rum Customer *    Billy Haughton    Billy Haughton    1:59.3
1967    $84,778    Best Of All    Jim Hackett    James Hackett    1:59.1
1966    $74,616    Romeo Hanover *    Jerry Silverman    George Sholty    1:59.3
1965    $71,447    Bret Hanover *    Frank Ervin    Frank Ervin    1:57
1964    $66,590    Vicar Hanover    Billy Haughton    Billy Haughton    2:01
1963    $68,294    Overtrick    John Patterson    John Patterson    1:57.1
1962    $75,038    Lehigh Hanover    Stanley Dancer    Stanley Dancer    1:58.4
1961    $70,069    Henry T. Adios    Stanley Dancer    Stanley Dancer    1:58.4
1960    $66,510    Bullet Hanover    John F. Simpson    John Simpson,Sr.    1:58.3
1959    $76,582    Adios Butler *    Paige West    Clint Hodgins    1:59.2
1958    $65,252    Shadow Wave    Joe O'Brien    Joe O'Brien    2:01
1957    $73,528    Torpid    John F. Simpson    John Simpson,Sr.    2:00.4
1956    $52,666    Noble Adios    John F. Simpson    John Simpson,Sr.    2:00.4
1955    $66,608    Quick Chief    Billy Haughton    Billy Haughton    2:01
1954    $69,322    Adios Harry    Morris MacDonald    Morris MacDonald    2:01.3
1953    $54,972    Keystoner    Frank Ervin    Frank Ervin    2:03.3
1952    $60,463    Meadow Rice    Delvin Miller    Curly Smart    2:01.3
1951    $66,280    Tar Heel    Delvin Miller    Del Cameron    2:00
1950    $56,525    Dudley Hanover    Spud Fitzpatrick    Delvin Miller    2:02.3
1949    $58,281    Good Time    Frank Ervin    Frank Ervin    2:03.2
1948    $47,528    Knight Dream    Frank Safford    Frank Safford    2:07.1
1947    $38,200    Forbes Chief    Del Cameron    Del Cameron    2:05
1946    $35,358    Ensign Hanover    Sep Palin    Curly Smart    2:03.1
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2012, 02:00:39 PM »

Which on this list never were the same after winning the jug???




2011    $526,800    Big Bad John    Ron Potter    David Miller    1:50
2010    $604,100    Rock N Roll Heaven    Bruce Saunders    Daniel Dube    1:49.2
2009    $609,150    Well Said    Steve Elliott    Ron Pierce    1:51.1
2008    $551,225    Shadow Play    Dr. Ian Moore    David Miller    1:49.3
2007    $480,000    Tell All    Blair Burgess    Jody Jamieson    1:50.3
2006    $541,000    Mr Feelgood    Jimmy Takter    Mark MacDonald    1:50
2005    $569,032    P-Forty Seven    Kelly O'Donnell    Dave Palone    1:52.1
2004    $571,500    Timesareachanging    Brett Pelling    Ron Pierce    1:51.3
2003    $605,050    No Pan Intended    David Miller    David Miller    1:53.0
2002    $618,625    Million Dollar Cam    Bill Robinson    Luc Ouellette    1:50.2
2001    $646,050    Bettor's Delight    Scott McEneny    Michel Lachance    1:51.4
2000    $547,972    Astreos    Brett Pelling    Chris Christoforou    1:55.3
1999    $543,978    Blissful Hall *    Ben Wallace    Ron Pierce    1:55.3
1998    $566,630    Shady Character    Brett Pelling    Ron Pierce    1:52.3
1997    $605,210    Western Dreamer *    Bill Robinson    Michel Lachance    1:51.1
1996    $542,240    Armbro Operative    Brett Pelling    Jack Moiseyev    1:51.2
1995    $543,670    Nick's Fantasy    Caroline Lyon    John Campbell    1:51.2
1994    $512,830    Magical Mike    Tom Haughton    Michel Lachance    1:52.3
1993    $465,500    Life Sign    Gene Riegle    John Campbell    1:52
1992    $556,210    Fake Left    George Sholty    Ron Waples    1:54.4
1991    $575,150    Precious Bunny    Bill Robinson    Jack Moiseyev    1:55
1990    $468,610    Beach Towel    Ray Remmen    Ray Remmen    1:53.3
1989    $500,020    Goalie Jeff    Tom Artandi    Michel Lachance    1:54.1
1988    $486,050    B.J. Scoot    Tom Artandi    Michel Lachance    1:52.3
1987    $412,330    Jaguar Spur    Richard Stillings    Dick Stillings    1:55.3
1986    $407,684    Barberry Spur    Richard Stillings    Bill O'Donnell    1:52.4
1985    $350,730    Nihilator    Billy Haughton    Bill O'Donnell    1:52.1
1984    $366,717    Colt Fortysix    Chris Boring    Chris Boring    1:55
1983    $358,800    Ralph Hanover *    Stew Firlotte    Ron Waples    1:55.3
1982    $328,900    Merger    John Campbell    John Campbell    1:56.3
1981    $243,799    Fan Hanover    Glen Garnsey    Glen Garnsey    1:56.3
1980    $207,361    Niatross *    Clint Galbraith    Clint Galbraith    1:54.4
1979    $226,455    Hot Hitter    Lou Meittinis    Herve Filion    1:55.3
1978    $186,760    Happy Escort    Bill Popfinger    Bill Popfinger    1:57.2
1977    $150,000    Governor Skipper    Buck Norris    John Chapman    1:56.1
1976    $153,799    Keystone Ore    Stanley Dancer    Stanley Dancer    1:57
1975    $147,813    Seatrain    Lee Benson    Ben Webster    1:57
1974    $132,630    Armbro Omaha    Billy Haughton    Billy Haughton    1:57
1973    $120,000    Melvin's Woe    Joe O'Brien    Joe O'Brien    1:57.3
1972    $104,916    Strike Out    John Hayes    Keith Waples    1:56.3
1971    $102,964    Nansemond    Herve Filion    Herve Filion    1:57.2
1970    $100,110    Most Happy Fella *    Stanley Dancer    Stanley Dancer    1:57.1
1969    $109,731    Laverne Hanover    Billy Haughton    Billy Haughton    2:00.2
1968    $104,226    Rum Customer *    Billy Haughton    Billy Haughton    1:59.3
1967    $84,778    Best Of All    Jim Hackett    James Hackett    1:59.1
1966    $74,616    Romeo Hanover *    Jerry Silverman    George Sholty    1:59.3
1965    $71,447    Bret Hanover *    Frank Ervin    Frank Ervin    1:57
1964    $66,590    Vicar Hanover    Billy Haughton    Billy Haughton    2:01
1963    $68,294    Overtrick    John Patterson    John Patterson    1:57.1
1962    $75,038    Lehigh Hanover    Stanley Dancer    Stanley Dancer    1:58.4
1961    $70,069    Henry T. Adios    Stanley Dancer    Stanley Dancer    1:58.4
1960    $66,510    Bullet Hanover    John F. Simpson    John Simpson,Sr.    1:58.3
1959    $76,582    Adios Butler *    Paige West    Clint Hodgins    1:59.2
1958    $65,252    Shadow Wave    Joe O'Brien    Joe O'Brien    2:01
1957    $73,528    Torpid    John F. Simpson    John Simpson,Sr.    2:00.4
1956    $52,666    Noble Adios    John F. Simpson    John Simpson,Sr.    2:00.4
1955    $66,608    Quick Chief    Billy Haughton    Billy Haughton    2:01
1954    $69,322    Adios Harry    Morris MacDonald    Morris MacDonald    2:01.3
1953    $54,972    Keystoner    Frank Ervin    Frank Ervin    2:03.3
1952    $60,463    Meadow Rice    Delvin Miller    Curly Smart    2:01.3
1951    $66,280    Tar Heel    Delvin Miller    Del Cameron    2:00
1950    $56,525    Dudley Hanover    Spud Fitzpatrick    Delvin Miller    2:02.3
1949    $58,281    Good Time    Frank Ervin    Frank Ervin    2:03.2
1948    $47,528    Knight Dream    Frank Safford    Frank Safford    2:07.1
1947    $38,200    Forbes Chief    Del Cameron    Del Cameron    2:05
1946    $35,358    Ensign Hanover    Sep Palin    Curly Smart    2:03.1

One i spotted for sure TIMESARECHANGING.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2012, 02:02:50 PM »

Continentalvictory was never the same after winning in DuQuoin. It cost her a shot at the Triple Crown. But the connections knew that might be the case. They could have waited for Lexington. Instead they got that big check in Southern Illinois and were ready to fire again at the yearling sales.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2012, 02:25:05 PM »

was john the trainer of merger his entire 3yr old season
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2012, 02:26:00 PM »

how bout nicks fantasy
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2012, 06:37:50 PM »

I believe Colt Forty Six never raced again after winning the JUG...........but I believe (again) it was an owners decision.

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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2012, 06:52:08 PM »


In  the 92 edition, winner Fake Left and Western Hanover raced 3 heats each that day. I recall Waples nosing out Western and Fahy by the smallest of noses in The Final in an endlessly long photo.
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2012, 06:54:31 PM »

In  the 92 edition, winner Fake Left and Western Hanover raced 3 heats each that day. I recall Waples nosing out Western and Fahy by the smallest of noses in The Final in an endlessly long photo.

How did fake left do after that race?
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2012, 09:15:29 PM »

How did fake left do after that race?

Fake Left was never a great horse. George Sholty got him real brave beating the hell out of nobodies on the Midwestern swing of the Grand Circuit. He came into Delaware really feeling his oats and in the first heat Waples was just a passenger as he ran away from the field. He probably would have won in straight heats if Ronnie hadn't wrestled with him.
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2012, 09:16:35 PM »

i totally agree
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2012, 10:00:55 PM »

I believe Shadow Play was never the same after his Jug
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2012, 10:04:55 PM »

I believe Shadow Play was never the same after his Jug

Yeah thats true, he lost by a head to Somebeachsomewhere a month after The Jug
in a monsoon at Yonkers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK6J4ne3BXI


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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2012, 11:03:37 PM »

Yeah thats true, he lost by a head to Somebeachsomewhere a month after The Jug
in a monsoon at Yonkers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK6J4ne3BXI




But he was junk his 4 year old season due to an injury from the Jug

After two less than Shadow performances at Lexington recently, Shadow Play is now at Blue Chip Farm in upstate New York, retired to stud. He came back sound after 3 weeks of significant problems with his RF foot, which was the original problem last Fall after the 1st heat of The Jug. Ironically, Shadow never had a single thing wrong with him until that day last September, and this year, it has been one thing after another. Many of the issues didn't even involve him directly, such as the well publicized Mohawk qualifier cancellation and subsequent truck to Lexington to qualify a few hours later. It just wasn't meant to be this year.
 
But having said all of that, Myself especially, but also my partners Ron and Gail MacLellan, Serge Savard and this years partner, Blue Chip Farm, have all enjoyed the ride Shadow gave us the past 3 years, and we are all anxiously awaiting the start of his new career. The many moments of enjoyment and all the time myself and family personally spent with Shadow throughout his training and racing career, will never be forgotten and we certainly thank him for that. When I was leaving Lexington a week ago Sunday, I stopped in to feed him one last time at 5 in the morning on my way to the airport, and I certainly shed a tear as I walked back to my car. Blue Chip Farm has a beautiful facility with excellent people there, and I do know he will be well looked after, and that's really all that matters. So long, Shadow.


http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/blog/ian-moore/10-20-09/shadow-play-has-retired.html

This from after that race you mention

"He was hurting a bit on his right front hoof (the same one that needed patching between Little Brown Jug heats) on Saturday, but raced extremely well. I don't think we were beating Somebeachsomewhere anyway."

http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/content/12-1-08/shadow-play-shut-down-for-2008.html
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2012, 11:08:51 PM »

But he was junk his 4 year old season due to an injury from the Jug

After two less than Shadow performances at Lexington recently, Shadow Play is now at Blue Chip Farm in upstate New York, retired to stud. He came back sound after 3 weeks of significant problems with his RF foot, which was the original problem last Fall after the 1st heat of The Jug. Ironically, Shadow never had a single thing wrong with him until that day last September, and this year, it has been one thing after another. Many of the issues didn't even involve him directly, such as the well publicized Mohawk qualifier cancellation and subsequent truck to Lexington to qualify a few hours later. It just wasn't meant to be this year.
 
But having said all of that, Myself especially, but also my partners Ron and Gail MacLellan, Serge Savard and this years partner, Blue Chip Farm, have all enjoyed the ride Shadow gave us the past 3 years, and we are all anxiously awaiting the start of his new career. The many moments of enjoyment and all the time myself and family personally spent with Shadow throughout his training and racing career, will never be forgotten and we certainly thank him for that. When I was leaving Lexington a week ago Sunday, I stopped in to feed him one last time at 5 in the morning on my way to the airport, and I certainly shed a tear as I walked back to my car. Blue Chip Farm has a beautiful facility with excellent people there, and I do know he will be well looked after, and that's really all that matters. So long, Shadow.


http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/blog/ian-moore/10-20-09/shadow-play-has-retired.html

This from after that race you mention

"He was hurting a bit on his right front hoof (the same one that needed patching between Little Brown Jug heats) on Saturday, but raced extremely well. I don't think we were beating Somebeachsomewhere anyway."

http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/content/12-1-08/shadow-play-shut-down-for-2008.html

He won the Am Nat after the jug where i got Purple jesus autograph on my program....
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2012, 07:39:15 AM »

He won the Am Nat after the jug where i got Purple jesus autograph on my program....

But the horse was never right after the injury he got in the Jug and they even said so.....he may have won a few races after the Jug but he wasnt the same for the duration of his career
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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2012, 07:47:09 AM »

I believe Shadow Play was never the same after his Jug

I think he blew the doors off a field of older pacers the next year on Hambo Day. Anyway, he had a foot injury. It wasn't that he got drained by racing multiple heats like Steve Lobell or Continentalvictory.
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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2012, 07:52:27 AM »

I think he blew the doors off a field of older pacers the next year on Hambo Day. Anyway, he had a foot injury. It wasn't that he got drained by racing multiple heats like Steve Lobell or Continentalvictory.

After two less than Shadow performances at Lexington recently, Shadow Play is now at Blue Chip Farm in upstate New York, retired to stud. He came back sound after 3 weeks of significant problems with his RF foot which was the original problem last Fall after the 1st heat of The Jug. Ironically, Shadow never had a single thing wrong with him until that day last September

Yes he did win a few a races but was never right after that injury and the connections said so......also it was that same injury that kept coming up again
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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2012, 07:56:03 AM »

After two less than Shadow performances at Lexington recently, Shadow Play is now at Blue Chip Farm in upstate New York, retired to stud. He came back sound after 3 weeks of significant problems with his RF foot which was the original problem last Fall after the 1st heat of The Jug. Ironically, Shadow never had a single thing wrong with him until that day last September

Yes he did win a few a races but was never right after that injury and the connections said so......also it was that same injury that kept coming up again

But you're missing the point of the thread. JJ posted it in response to Schnittker's contention that multiple heats in September or October can kill a horse. The quote you keep posting specifically says he was injured in the first heat.
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2012, 07:59:14 AM »

But you're missing the point of the thread. JJ posted it in response to Schnittker's contention that multiple heats in September or October can kill a horse. The quote you keep posting specifically says he was injured in the first heat.

the thread just asks which horses were never the same and IMO shadow Play was one of those horses
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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2012, 08:03:40 AM »

the thread just asks which horses were never the same and IMO shadow Play was one of those horses

That's fine. I was just providing you with context and what the OP was getting at by posting the thread.

Maybe racing him the second time on the bad hoof is what did it. But that's up to the connections. They certainly have every right to scratch.
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2012, 08:17:49 AM »

After two less than Shadow performances at Lexington recently, Shadow Play is now at Blue Chip Farm in upstate New York, retired to stud. He came back sound after 3 weeks of significant problems with his RF foot which was the original problem last Fall after the 1st heat of The Jug. Ironically, Shadow never had a single thing wrong with him until that day last September

Yes he did win a few a races but was never right after that injury and the connections said so......also it was that same injury that kept coming up again

ANY RACE CAN INJURE A HORSE.   FIRST HEAT DID IT HERE.
HORSE CAME BACK TO RACE AFTER AND WAS STILL PRETTY GOOD.
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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2012, 01:57:07 PM »

Brendon Johnson trained Armbro operative ! Not Pelling
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keep the fight up ken it ant over i hope u useing the rope a dope im getting worried!!!
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