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Author Topic: Explain the logic...Snittiker.  (Read 2678 times)
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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2012, 01:38:19 PM »

He was the one who said racing two heats was cruel, not me. I guess it's only cruel when it suits him. Frankly, I don't give a damn about how he manages his horses. You're right, it's his business. What does concern me is a Red Mile meet on life support and a sport that has very few fans in general. If he doesn't want to race heats, why is he entering a heat race?
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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2012, 01:39:45 PM »

he owns cmo and is gonna race her next year and beyound,,,protecting his interests
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2012, 01:41:01 PM »

he owns cmo and is gonna race her next year and beyound,,,protecting his interests

He's protecting his short term interests and helping kill the long term interests of all of us. He didn't have to enter the race at all. Is that difficult to understand?
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2012, 01:44:34 PM »

SHOULD HAVE RACED IN ANOTHER 3YR OLD FILLY STAKE,,,,YOU ARE CORRECT,,,,BUT RAY IS A TOTAL DOUCHEBAG
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2012, 01:47:43 PM »

HOW OR WHAT DID HE DO THATS CRUELTY TO ANIMALS..


I HORSE RACED 2 HEATS AND DA OTHER 1 HEAT ,,WHATS DA BEEF,,


HEZ DA TRAINOR HEZ RITE TO CHOSE,,


BUY A HORSE OR GET TRAINERS LICENSE THAN U CAN MAKE A DECISION

He raced the one horse one heat and got buried for being a chicken and trying to change the rules....He raced the other one two heats and gets buried for animal cruelty.....Should he have raced them both 1 1/2 heats and pulled up at the half? These morons are just jealous of Ray.....And one thing I guarantee you is that these morons wouldnt say anything to his face.......Ray is a brilliant horseman and has been for 30 years......He was the dominant claiming trainer in NY for many many years......Not to mention what him and Jimbo made gambling
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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2012, 01:48:48 PM »

HOW OR WHAT DID HE DO THATS CRUELTY TO ANIMALS..


I HORSE RACED 2 HEATS AND DA OTHER 1 HEAT ,,WHATS DA BEEF,,


HEZ DA TRAINOR HEZ RITE TO CHOSE,,


BUY A HORSE OR GET TRAINERS LICENSE THAN U CAN MAKE A DECISION

Please read the original post that started this thread.

"It's cruel to the horses, Schnittker said of having to race multiple heats.

That is his words.   Not my or anyone else's assumption.  Yet he raced his other filly in 2 heats.   So was it really cruel?

You can't speak out both sides of your mouth.  And Ray does.

Add to it the detrimental value of him entering Check Me Out only to knowingly scratch her.   He took a spot away from another filly who might have raced and what if he won the first heat?   He now puts all the other fillies from that heat in arrears a potential win and forces them to win twice.

The whole damn thing by him is a detriment to the tradition of the race.

He wants to protect his horse fine, go the Market Share route.  

You don't have to trample the game with remarks about cruelty and scratching the horse.   And then to top it off after whining about cruelty race your other filly 2 heats.

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« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2012, 01:49:56 PM »

WELL I GUESS NOW ITS SETTLED
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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2012, 01:51:52 PM »

He raced the one horse one heat and got buried for being a chicken and trying to change the rules....He raced the other one two heats and gets buried for animal cruelty.....Should he have raced them both 1 1/2 heats and pulled up at the half? These morons are just jealous of Ray.....And one thing I guarantee you is that these morons wouldnt say anything to his face.......Ray is a brilliant horseman and has been for 30 years......He was the dominant claiming trainer in NY for many many years......Not to mention what him and Jimbo made gambling

You half whit.

He got buried for entering a multi-heat event and *** about the conditions being cruel...

He got buried again because he then raced a horse in conditions he considered cruel.

You have to be the most ignorant human being on any forum...
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« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2012, 01:54:02 PM »

I have no problem telling him I think he's mistaken right to his face and I'm certainly not jealous of him. I think our sport has problems that are far bigger than the management of a single horse. Heat racing is one way to stay connected to the past and what was once a great game and one of the more popular sports in this country. There are only a few heat races left. I'm sure Ray can manage to assemble a schedule for his horses that doesn't include those races rather than entering with the intention to scratch.
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« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2012, 01:59:54 PM »

RAY IS A DRUNKN JERKOFF MOST OF THE TIME
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« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2012, 03:45:00 PM »

And arrogant.

He suffers from a serious Napoleonic complex and thinks that he is a tuff guy. Especially when he is drunk, which is almost every night.
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« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2012, 05:58:44 PM »

Please read the original post that started this thread.


You can't speak out both sides of your mouth.  And Ray does.





You do that all the time so why cant Ray.......remember you went nuts about a dq at yonkers saying it wasnt a dq but then at the red mile the same thing happened and because its a driver you dont like it was a dq
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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2012, 06:24:02 PM »

ray is very successful at what he does. has a vet for a wife, and many friends with very deep pockets to sell shares of horses to. maybe you dont agree with how he scratched, and thats your right to have an opinion, but to say he needs to be out of the business is ridiculous.
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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2012, 09:52:43 PM »

You have no idea what your talking about.
Two different races, different circumstances.


Thanks for making my point.....one driver you hate is the only difference
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« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2012, 01:19:08 AM »

Add to it if Check Me Out wins her heat and Win Missy B ends up second, then Check Me Out Scratches and Win Missy B wins the 2nd heat there has to be a race off meaning Snittiker disrespects the connections of Win Missy B forcing her to go 3 heats.

This guy is bad news for racing, he is a cancer.   Disrespecting the fans, his fellow horseman, and the history of the race.

I AM SICK OF IT!!!

Agreed.

The judges *should* have done the right thing for the sport and refused the entry.

Would not get my vote for HOTY due to the behavior of her connections in that race... even if she were to go out and trot a new WR in the BC.

And how good must Win Missy B actually be?  I know a little bit about Key and how they operate.  They race on hay and oats (seriously) and rarely even do so much as inject a joint (even when they really should).  If I was in the market for a nice trotter, and future broodmare, she would be the one I'd be looking at.

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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2012, 01:55:30 AM »

all ray has done is make himself and his owners alot of money over 20 years....shame on him...momo
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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2012, 02:19:16 AM »

all ray has done is make himself and his owners alot of money over 20 years....shame on him...momo

Still, behavior like that is not in the best interest of the sport...  Knowing Bob, it should be a real interesting race should Missy B draw to the inside in the BC Final.  He's not a guy I would want to tick off with bush league tactics... He won't care about the money (or the glory) at that point.  Don't think I will bet it, lol... but it's sure stacking up to be the race to watch.
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2012, 07:27:05 AM »

WILL YOU BE PEOPLE STOP WITH THE HOLYIER THAN THOU CRAP..


GET A HORSE AND YOU MAKE THE CALLS,,,IF NOT SHUT DA FCK UP


THEY SHOULD HAVE REFUSED THE ENTRIES,,,,

LWC,,PLS DONT POST NO MORE ,,YOUR MAKIN YOURSELF LOOK DUMBER THAN  REALLY ARE


RAY IS DA TRAINER ,,HIS DECISION TO RACE IN 1 OR 2 HEAT ,,FINAL


U DONT LIKE GET A TRAINER LICENSE ,,,AND GET SOME ONE TO GIVE YOU HORSES,,



PLS,,,,,,MR MORAL COMPASS AROUND,,,,,


GET OUTTA MY FACE WITH THIS NONSENSE........


JUDGES SHOULD HAVE REFUSED ENTRIES,,,,,,,MORE I SAY THIS ,,,


MORE IGNORANT IT SOUND,,,,,STUPID ASS  COMMENTS BELONG ,,ON LIGH TING LANE
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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2012, 07:44:31 AM »

The judges really couldn't refuse the entry as long as the stakes payments and entry fee were made. That's why I suggest a change in conditions.

Again, nobody has suggested the trainer can't do what he wants. There are single dash races for him to enter all over the place. Or he doesn't have to race at all.

The only one who looks foolish here is Ray Schnittker who popped off about "cruelty" and PETA and then raced Real Babe twice. What was his point anyway? To undermine a storied race?

Anyone who saw the short fields in Lexington and isn't concerned for the sport is kidding themselves. You can get as excited as you want about an 8% bump in the first session. Ray Schnittker doesn't need to worry. He's made his money. And he can probably squeeze at least a few more bucks out of the New York Sire Stakes program before politicians start asking why they need to pay for horses when the casinos are providing all the cash.

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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2012, 08:17:09 AM »

Agreed.

The judges *should* have done the right thing for the sport and refused the entry.

Would not get my vote for HOTY due to the behavior of her connections in that race... even if she were to go out and trot a new WR in the BC.

And how good must Win Missy B actually be?  I know a little bit about Key and how they operate.  They race on hay and oats (seriously) and rarely even do so much as inject a joint (even when they really should).  If I was in the market for a nice trotter, and future broodmare, she would be the one I'd be looking at.



I think win missy b would be a great brood mare!

The mate power in Maven family is incredible!

I think it's a shame personally to make horses race 2 times in one day . To have Missy b do that and shitkicker protect his horse is really bs.
He should not be entitled to bc! Or purse money !
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« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2012, 08:19:48 AM »

The judges really couldn't refuse the entry as long as the stakes payments and entry fee were made. That's why I suggest a change in conditions.

Again, nobody has suggested the trainer can't do what he wants. There are single dash races for him to enter all over the place. Or he doesn't have to race at all.

The only one who looks foolish here is Ray Schnittker who popped off about "cruelty" and PETA and then raced Real Babe twice. What was his point anyway? To undermine a storied race?

Anyone who saw the short fields in Lexington and isn't concerned for the sport is kidding themselves. You can get as excited as you want about an 8% bump in the first session. Ray Schnittker doesn't need to worry. He's made his money. And he can probably squeeze at least a few more bucks out of the New York Sire Stakes program before politicians start asking why they need to pay for horses when the casinos are providing all the cash.



TY, IM NOT SAYING HE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RACE HIS HORSE.   BUT HE SHOULD HAVE SOME MORALS AND RESPECT FOR TRADITION.

HE MADE THE PAYMENTS AND DID WHAT HE WANTED.   IT DIDN'T HELP ANYONE BUT HIM, IT HURT EVERYONE ELSE, MOSTLY THE FANS.
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« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2012, 08:20:31 AM »

The judges really couldn't refuse the entry as long as the stakes payments and entry fee were made. That's why I suggest a change in conditions.

Again, nobody has suggested the trainer can't do what he wants. There are single dash races for him to enter all over the place. Or he doesn't have to race at all.

The only one who looks foolish here is Ray Schnittker who popped off about "cruelty" and PETA and then raced Real Babe twice. What was his point anyway? To undermine a storied race?

Anyone who saw the short fields in Lexington and isn't concerned for the sport is kidding themselves. You can get as excited as you want about an 8% bump in the first session. Ray Schnittker doesn't need to worry. He's made his money. And he can probably squeeze at least a few more bucks out of the New York Sire Stakes program before politicians start asking why they need to pay for horses when the casinos are providing all the cash.



No, but it'd be nice if they could.  Changing purse distribution would mean going back and changing bylaws.  Doable, but not quickly... and my guess is it'd meet significant protest as some people do actually scratch for legit reasons after one heat.

There needs to be repercussions for scratching out of heat races.  Especially when the intent is announced beforehand.  Technically, heat races are still considered one race, one entry.  If you scratch, you have to scratch sick or scratch lame.  Not scratch "because we're jackholes trying to undermine an historic race AND screw a competitor over in the process..."  Let them scratch if they like... but, if they scratch put them on the Stewards list and make them have to re-qualify at least.

And PeTA is a disgusting organization.  Their "shelter" at their headquarters in VA has one of the highest kill rates for companion animals in the entire nation at well over 90% every year for the past decade.  Given their own behavior and failure to "walk the walk," they have no ethical standing or moral grounds to be lecturing anyone on animal care or well-being.  If they rescued horses, chances are all of them would wind up dead and disposed of in dumpsters behind the local Piggly Wiggly as well.
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« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2012, 08:29:57 AM »

now u wanna change by laws


STAKE PAYMENT WERE MADE ,,,YES...

FINAL END OF STORY
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« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2012, 08:33:12 AM »

Wouldn't need to "change bylaws" to add a scratch to the Stewards list and force them to requalify.
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« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2012, 08:35:41 AM »

I think it's a shame personally to make horses race 2 times in one day.

Why? Have you ever trained a doubleheader? Standardbreds were bred for years to go multiple heats. It's part of the sport. Big purses for single dashes have changed the way we breed and not for the better. Today's standardbred has more speed and far less stamina. If you think it's a shame to race that animal twice, you may be correct. I think the answer is to make more of our big purse races multiple heats and force the breeders and trainers to adjust.

The roots of the sport are at the fair level and we're killing that. We've lost Springfield, Indianapolis, and DuQuoin. If our goal is to be some sideshow to a casino, we're definitely on the right track.
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