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« on: October 04, 2012, 10:27:32 PM »

Todays Sun-times ran a nice anti Dick article about his yatch and yellow socks. I would post a link to article if I knew how.

I believe the journalist was Mark Brown. Today's Chicago Sun Times, someone please post link.
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2012, 10:39:10 PM »

Here you go:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/brown/15547373-452/395000-a-week-on-a-duchossois-yacht.html
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2012, 06:49:35 AM »

Wow!!!  A rich guy owns a yacht, and it costs a lot of money!  Pulitzer Prize material for sure.
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2012, 07:16:34 AM »

Wow!!!  A rich guy owns a yacht, and it costs a lot of money!  Pulitzer Prize material for sure.

Exactly..and I guess because he made tons of money in other businesses he's supposed to support the entire Horse industry in Illinois? bang head
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2012, 07:35:36 AM »

Wonder what it's insured for!
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2012, 08:14:34 AM »

Exactly..and I guess because he made tons of money in other businesses he's supposed to support the entire Horse industry in Illinois? bang head

Only the few of use here and those in the industry can make that connection.

The question non-horseracing folks want to know is, "why does a guy with so much money need slots, etc., at his racetrack?", which IMO is the writer's desired effect.

Unfair, but not unwarranted: if you piss off as many people as RLD has over the years, you shouldn't be surprised about being attacked.
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2012, 08:53:38 AM »

Are you kidding?  This guy is a complete unknown... people don't even know the spelling of his name!  Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2012, 09:39:29 AM »

I would venture a guess that slots at tracks would help horse owners, trainers, breeders and stable help more than Mr. D on a percentage basis of personal net wealth.  Dick D. wants slots, he doesn't need them.  It's getting to the point in Illinois racing that the other people mentioned want and need them.
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2012, 09:41:17 AM »

He's 91 years old... no luggage racks on hearses, last I looked.
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2012, 09:57:20 AM »

Agree with most people on this subject..

Like who cares the guy has a sick ass boat...

He could have sold the Ariington Property & made millions but has continued to support the dying industry of racing.
I think it just comes back to him wanting to be competitive..Why can't Arlington have a super meet ala Keeneland with top jocks, trainers, etc

States on the border are getting the better horses due to this factor...& Arlington already has the infrastructure to handle the slots..
Christ, they are putting Slots in bars across Illinois.  What a F*** up state we live in bang head
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2012, 10:08:53 AM »

He could have sold the Ariington Property & made millions but has continued to support the dying industry of racing.
I think it just comes back to him wanting to be competitive..Why can't Arlington have a super meet ala Keeneland with top jocks, trainers, etc

Big difference between "wanting to be competitive" and wanting everything your own way, like RLD. Remember, he thinks he "presides" over Illinois racing, not just supports it like some peon trainer with one horse and pitchfork.

Arlington could have a "super meet" like Keeneland one day, but only when CDI shows some class and grace ala Keeneland, and truly cares more about the game than their corporate bottom line. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

RLD has tons of money, yes, but money can't buy class.
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2012, 10:11:01 AM »

What the h-e-double hockey sticks is Brown's point? Pound for pound, Brown is the one who's grossly overcompensated, considering the important stories he and his newspaper ignore. I don't like Dickie D. either, but I do think he earned his money.
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2012, 10:13:54 AM »

Wikipedia says he served in five European campaigns.  Doesn't say which they WERE, of course... could've laid siege to Pauillac in 1988, a VERY good year.   Wink

Seems he's also a defense contractor.  (Terry... hello?)  Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2012, 10:37:28 AM »

Big difference between "wanting to be competitive" and wanting everything your own way, like RLD. Remember, he thinks he "presides" over Illinois racing, not just supports it like some peon trainer with one horse and pitchfork.

Arlington could have a "super meet" like Keeneland one day, but only when CDI shows some class and grace ala Keeneland, and truly cares more about the game than their corporate bottom line. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

RLD has tons of money, yes, but money can't buy class.

I agree the CDI affiliation has turned the warm & fuzzy mood at AP to a more bottom line approach.
Have added in many posts about Arlington's lack of support for its regular gamblers & ridiculous food prices but still the best racing in Illinois.

Dick D has lost his fastball & think there is early dimentia , don't think he is calling many of the shots anymore.

Damn, forgot to load up on Parkcorn before the  end of the season-...
Please tell me what Howard Tudberry gets paid for doing- talk about stealing
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2012, 11:58:50 AM »

Dirty Dick is a prick of a man. I will never forget the fight he got into. This prick has a famous quote "Mayor if I had your money I would throw mine away".

Wouldn't you know it the fight took place at a charitable event. Dirty Dick is all about himself, *** the charity. He's a prick.
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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2012, 01:08:36 PM »

Wikipedia says he served in five European campaigns.  Doesn't say which they WERE, of course... could've laid siege to Pauillac in 1988, a VERY good year.   Wink

Seems he's also a defense contractor.  (Terry... hello?)  Cheesy

This is just off the top of my head, but I believe he served in the D-Day campaign and was wounded severely.  I think he was a tank captain.  His service in WWII was legitimate and involved.

Again, off the top of my head, he owns a variety of companies.  I think railroad car manufacturing is one of them. 

I am sure others here can add or clarify his background.
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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2012, 01:11:03 PM »

Sounds like a hero to me... I seem to recall him having horses with Roger Laurin in NY well back in the day (not that that has anything to do with heroism, of course)... in fact, I may have bet a few of the steeds, long before I knew of his being the king of the hill in Chicago racing.
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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2012, 01:19:03 PM »

This is just off the top of my head, but I believe he served in the D-Day campaign and was wounded severely.  I think he was a tank captain.  His service in WWII was legitimate and involved.

Again, off the top of my head, he owns a variety of companies.  I think railroad car manufacturing is one of them. 

I am sure others here can add or clarify his background.

http://www.duch.com/whoweare/key_executives
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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2012, 01:32:34 PM »

A full and eventful life.  Perhaps some of his seeming dickitude is understandable.
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2012, 01:20:02 AM »

Sounds like a hero to me... I seem to recall him having horses with Roger Laurin in NY well back in the day (not that that has anything to do with heroism, of course)... in fact, I may have bet a few of the steeds, long before I knew of his being the king of the hill in Chicago racing.

That's funny, a hero? He's no hero! He's lucky to be alive. Sounds like luck and timing.

A hero! HaHa sarcasm
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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2012, 01:31:40 AM »

Sounds like a hero to me... I seem to recall him having horses with Roger Laurin in NY well back in the day (not that that has anything to do with heroism, of course)... in fact, I may have bet a few of the steeds, long before I knew of his being the king of the hill in Chicago racing.

A hero doesn't start fights at charity events! Yimmy is coo-coo for Dicky boy!
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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2012, 06:57:02 AM »

Yeah, D-Day really didn't matter much in WWII, and who among us hasn't been Severely Wounded In War at one time or another.  I hate when that happens...

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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2012, 08:52:18 PM »

I am not a DD fan, but the writer is a hypocrite. As I recall, and if I'm wrong I'm sorry but doesn't Rocky Wirtz have an interest in SunTimes ownership. The same Rocky Wirtz whose father, Bill (dollar bill) Wirtz was so cheap he made he lost Bobby Hull.The same Rocky Wirtz who is leading the NHL lockout in step with Gary Bettman. Talk about calling the pot black!







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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2012, 08:59:32 PM »

I am not a DD fan, but the writer is a hypocrite. As I recall, and if I'm wrong I'm sorry but doesn't Rocky Wirtz have an interest in SunTimes ownership. The same Rocky Wirtz whose father, Bill (dollar bill) Wirtz was so cheap he made he lost Bobby Hull.The same Rocky Wirtz who is leading the NHL lockout in step with Gary Bettman. Talk about calling the pot black!

Do you think Rocky Wirtz himself was responsible for this piece? And what exactly was in that Duchossois piece that correlates to locking out NHL players? It's a story about an overpriced yacht.
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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2012, 12:11:38 PM »

Mr D's start in business started when he married Beverly Thrall , the daughter of the founder. He has earned his way from there  in the business world.
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« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2012, 03:23:17 PM »

I was under the impression he was already a fairly successful small businessman when he got married.
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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2012, 06:56:04 PM »

I looked at the post from Klink, Mr D went to work for his father in law from the service , later on he started his family's group.
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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2012, 07:33:48 PM »

Mr D's start in business started when he married Beverly Thrall , the daughter of the founder. He has earned his way from there  in the business world.

Thanks.

With a little more checking it looks like he got engaged to Miss Thrall in 1943 when home on leave, married in ?, went to work at Thrall immediately after WWII, and was CEO by 1952.
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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2012, 03:37:22 PM »


Arlington could have a "super meet" like Keeneland one day, but only when CDI shows some class and grace ala Keeneland, and truly cares more about the game than their corporate bottom line. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.


You think Keeneland has a  "super meet" for love of the game? They have a "super meet" so they can rake in simulcast revenue 10 1/2 months a year without paying any purses and increase their bottom line by only paying out purses for 6 weeks a year.....The purses are slightly higher for their "super meet" but nowhere what they should be for as little as they race and the hundreds of thousands they save in other areas by running basically two  "super meets"
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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2012, 04:14:36 PM »

Keeneland is a non-profit and also gets revenue from the sales.
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« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2012, 06:00:46 PM »

The purses are slightly higher for their "super meet" but nowhere what they should be for as little as they race and the hundreds of thousands they save in other areas by running basically two  "super meets"

Saying Keeneland has "slightly higher" purses is an absurd statement -- their daily average of $580,000 *towers* over AP.

There are many economies of scale in running a racetrack, and my guess is that Keeneland isn't "saving" a dime by running only 6 weeks a year; the income from racing, year-round simulcasting and the sales can't possibly be enough to keep that place up, pay salaries, etc., all year long.
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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2012, 08:07:21 PM »

loads of volunteers instead of paid employess work the keeneland meets
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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2012, 08:49:07 PM »

You think Keeneland has a  "super meet" for love of the game? They have a "super meet" so they can rake in simulcast revenue 10 1/2 months a year without paying any purses and increase their bottom line by only paying out purses for 6 weeks a year

Actually, they have a super meet so they can can continue to be tops of horseflesh sales, by convincing people who bought horses at their sales that they can can win some inflated purses (and win races with stupid names for allowances) and get a big ego boost and think they got a great deal for the money they spent at Keeneland and come back next year.

Same principle as the utterly watered down and now meaningless Breeders Cup program.
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« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2012, 09:41:29 PM »

loads of volunteers instead of paid employess work the keeneland meets

Yes, true...but that's for 6 weeks per year. The racing plant is open almost year round, and the grounds (rather expansive plot of land there, kiddies) require continuous upkeep, whether they are "live" or not.

That ain't cheap.
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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2012, 11:43:08 PM »

yes i am sure it does require alot of upkeep
i have yet to visit saratoga but keeneland is hard to beat
my only regret is the poly.the old dirt track wasn't the greatest
either but just the sight of the poly takes away some of the beauty imo
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« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2012, 07:03:03 AM »

Saying Keeneland has "slightly higher" purses is an absurd statement -- their daily average of $580,000 *towers* over AP.

There are many economies of scale in running a racetrack, and my guess is that Keeneland isn't "saving" a dime by running only 6 weeks a year; the income from racing, year-round simulcasting and the sales can't possibly be enough to keep that place up, pay salaries, etc., all year long.

You wanna bet who distributes more purse money over the course of a year Keeneland or Arlington? Keeneland races 6 weeks, Arlington races 5 months (21 weeks)......The daily purse distribution at Keeneland isnt 3.5 times what it is at Arlington......And the daily purse distribution is inflated because of the stakes races, which is a lot of money they dont even have to come up with because a lot of it comes from nomination and starting fees.....So you are saying other tracks who run longer meets dont have to keep up their facility when they arent racing? Its a lot cheaper to cut grass then it is to pay 100 people+ that you employ to keep a meet running.....Arlington would make WAY more money if they raced 6 weeks a year......Since almost every live meet anywhere is a losing proposition

The bottom line is and what you people dont have a clue about....is if every track ran 6 weeks a year there would be no horse racing.....or at least no horse racing for anyone but the super rich......owners, trainers, jockeys. grooms, etc couldnt survive racing 6 weeks a year
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« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2012, 10:34:42 AM »

The bottom line is and what you people dont have a clue about....is if every track ran 6 weeks a year there would be no horse racing.....or at least no horse racing for anyone but the super rich......owners, trainers, jockeys. grooms, etc couldnt survive racing 6 weeks a year

So what? Horse racing USED to be only for the super rich. Would it be a problem if it went back to that? Why?

What you current day horse people don't get is that no one ever promised that being a trainer or a jockey or a groom would provide year round employment; the sport simply grew to the point that constant employment became an expectation...which isn't that far off from an entitlement.

Finally, make no blithe assumptions about what I do or do not "have a clue" about. I fully understand the economics of horse racing, at most all levels, and it's a brutal game -- one which I would never, EVER count on for income to feed and clothe my family -- even if I owned my own racetrack!

Those that are making it in this business with regular success have my utmost respect. The rest of you that are just skating by or losing every year, well, IMO you need your heads examined.
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« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2012, 11:09:00 AM »

So what? Horse racing USED to be only for the super rich. Would it be a problem if it went back to that? Why?

I think he specified it would be a problem for the current participants who make a living in it.

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You know, I've always said the same thing about "professional horseplayer" as well as the more casual "guy who wants to make a profit" and continually complains about the takeout. No one ever promised them anything, either. That never seems to really go over all that well, for some reason.
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« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2012, 11:47:06 AM »

You know, I've always said the same thing about "professional horseplayer" as well as the more casual "guy who wants to make a profit" and continually complains about the takeout. No one ever promised them anything, either. That never seems to really go over all that well, for some reason.

It's one thing to ask for something and get it; it's quite another to "expect" it. The latter is the entitlement mentality, IMO.

I certainly don't expect anything: I get what I get, and make my decisions from there. I can't speak for other horseplayers of any sort.
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« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2012, 01:12:36 PM »

It's one thing to ask for something and get it; it's quite another to "expect" it. The latter is the entitlement mentality, IMO.

I fail to see how business owners and employees in any industry wanting to keep that industry alive and functioning as much as possible to maintain opportunities constitutes "entitlement mentality". The slots money, yes, that's entitlement mentality. But making a living from racing itself, no. We used to have just three TV networks, too. I doubt people involved in the much expanded TV industry of today consider themselves drawing entitlements.
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« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2012, 03:35:35 PM »

I fail to see how business owners and employees in any industry wanting to keep that industry alive and functioning as much as possible to maintain opportunities constitutes "entitlement mentality". The slots money, yes, that's entitlement mentality.

And in horse racing, entitlements are all the so-called stakeholders talk about: "We need slots! We need VLT's! We need Poker Machines! Gimme gimme gimme, or our 'Central To The Universe' business segment will die!"

What rubbish.

Find me one credible source in the horse racing industry that thinks the game can stand on it's own two feet. (Or four feet, if you find that more appropriate.) We are not discussing a business segment that wants to compete fair and square -- horse racing folks by and large want their futures guaranteed.
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« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2012, 05:31:02 PM »

And in horse racing, entitlements are all the so-called stakeholders talk about: "We need slots! We need VLT's! We need Poker Machines! Gimme gimme gimme, or our 'Central To The Universe' business segment will die!"

What rubbish.

Yeah but you're kind of changing the subject.

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I think the issue was meets of 6 weeks a year, and whether or not those could make money, and whether or not the participants could survive in that sort of environment.
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« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2012, 06:26:18 PM »

I think the issue was meets of 6 weeks a year, and whether or not those could make money, and whether or not the participants could survive in that sort of environment.

Same subject, different day: there is always a *reason* why racing -- either the local product, or racing as a whole -- can't survive on it's own: "too little racing"..."too much racing"..."their purses are higher than ours"..."they have slots, we don't", and myriad other excuses.

I don't think there is a valid concern about whether Keeneland and / or it's racing participants can survive running only 6 weeks a year; they have been in business continuously for 75 years, so I think we can assume their business model works just fine. I counted 105 horses entered today (less actual runners after scratches, of course); I think they will hang on for at least another couple of weeks.  Grin
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« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2012, 11:37:18 PM »

I don't think there is a valid concern about whether Keeneland and / or it's racing participants can survive running only 6 weeks a year; they have been in business continuously for 75 years, so I think we can assume their business model works just fine. I counted 105 horses entered today (less actual runners after scratches, of course); I think they will hang on for at least another couple of weeks.  Grin

Their business model works fine so long as they sell horses. If there's not nearly as much racing at other tracks, there's no need for all those horses Keeneland sells.
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